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Re: Trae Young 

Post#681 » by Shock Defeat » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:40 pm

Michael Lucky wrote:Best college player I have ever seen. And he's just a freshman. Lol

eh Michael Beasley was a beast in college too
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Post#682 » by doordoor123 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:44 pm

Shock Defeat wrote:
Michael Lucky wrote:Best college player I have ever seen. And he's just a freshman. Lol

eh Michael Beasley was a beast in college too


Michael Beasley is still a beast. He’s as good as LeBron or KD.
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Post#683 » by SeattleJazzFan » Thu Feb 1, 2018 12:15 am

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SeattleJazzFan wrote:I'm a huge BYU fan and naturally a big fan of Jimmer. You simply can't compare the two. When you start comparing small guards to Young - I've heard Jimmer, Chris Jackson, even Curry - the comparison falls flat where Young is a great passer with great vision and blows those guys out of the water. Jimmer averaged about 4 assists a game. he was a solid passer/playmaker, but he is nowhere near Trae Young - ultimately that is where Young separates himself. Also, a much better ball handler than Jimmer ever was.


Trae does not blow Steph out of the water in terms of passing (or Chris Jackson tbh). Bobby Knight once said that Steph is the best passer he had ever seen coming out of college. If Steph were playing for D'Antoni (or when he played for Nellie) you'd see much more of that.


i saw Steph and Davidson. didn't have Trae's vision or passing ability - not even close. Bobby Knight is prone to hyperbole.
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Re: Trae Young 

Post#684 » by SeattleJazzFan » Thu Feb 1, 2018 12:18 am

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Michael Lucky wrote:Best college player I have ever seen. And he's just a freshman. Lol

eh Michael Beasley was a beast in college too

and Michael Beasley as a PER of 20 and TS% of 58%. 23 and 9 per 36. Beasley has had his issues but he's a damn good NBA player.
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Re: Trae Young 

Post#685 » by clyde21 » Thu Feb 1, 2018 4:58 am

I feel like this guy is going to be an absolute superstar or a big disappointment in the NBA. No in between. Biggest difference between ceiling and floor out of all the top prospects.
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Re: Trae Young 

Post#686 » by clyde21 » Thu Feb 1, 2018 5:01 am

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EvanZ wrote:
SeattleJazzFan wrote:I'm a huge BYU fan and naturally a big fan of Jimmer. You simply can't compare the two. When you start comparing small guards to Young - I've heard Jimmer, Chris Jackson, even Curry - the comparison falls flat where Young is a great passer with great vision and blows those guys out of the water. Jimmer averaged about 4 assists a game. he was a solid passer/playmaker, but he is nowhere near Trae Young - ultimately that is where Young separates himself. Also, a much better ball handler than Jimmer ever was.


Trae does not blow Steph out of the water in terms of passing (or Chris Jackson tbh). Bobby Knight once said that Steph is the best passer he had ever seen coming out of college. If Steph were playing for D'Antoni (or when he played for Nellie) you'd see much more of that.


i saw Steph and Davidson. didn't have Trae's vision or passing ability - not even close. Bobby Knight is prone to hyperbole.


If Steph was a full time on ball PG like Harden or Russ he'd easily average 10apg.

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Re: Trae Young 

Post#687 » by EvanZ » Thu Feb 1, 2018 5:49 pm

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SeattleJazzFan wrote:I'm a huge BYU fan and naturally a big fan of Jimmer. You simply can't compare the two. When you start comparing small guards to Young - I've heard Jimmer, Chris Jackson, even Curry - the comparison falls flat where Young is a great passer with great vision and blows those guys out of the water. Jimmer averaged about 4 assists a game. he was a solid passer/playmaker, but he is nowhere near Trae Young - ultimately that is where Young separates himself. Also, a much better ball handler than Jimmer ever was.


Trae does not blow Steph out of the water in terms of passing (or Chris Jackson tbh). Bobby Knight once said that Steph is the best passer he had ever seen coming out of college. If Steph were playing for D'Antoni (or when he played for Nellie) you'd see much more of that.


i saw Steph and Davidson. didn't have Trae's vision or passing ability - not even close. Bobby Knight is prone to hyperbole.


I saw Steph play for Don Nelson. You're just wrong.
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Re: Trae Young 

Post#688 » by Ruzious » Thu Feb 1, 2018 6:20 pm

Michael Lucky wrote:Release point matters a lot more against length than where you start your motion. Also length is really negligible along the perimeter when it comes to shooting due to the added spacing of the NBA game. It's one of the reasons why someone like IT can thrive offensively.

Correct - that's why I said he'll still be very good - but not great.
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Re: Trae Young 

Post#689 » by Ruzious » Thu Feb 1, 2018 6:24 pm

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Michael Lucky wrote:Best college player I have ever seen. And he's just a freshman. Lol

eh Michael Beasley was a beast in college too

and Michael Beasley as a PER of 20 and TS% of 58%. 23 and 9 per 36. Beasley has had his issues but he's a damn good NBA player.

He's always been a capable scorer, but I'd question how much he's helped his teams for most of his tenure in the NBA.
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Re: Trae Young 

Post#690 » by Upperclass » Thu Feb 1, 2018 7:39 pm

Steph is a top 3 passer(vision) in this league.. behind Lebron and Harden. You could EASILY see this back at Davidson.. his issue was if he would be able to penetrate due to his perceived lack of quickness.
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Post#691 » by Michael Lucky » Thu Feb 1, 2018 7:47 pm

Upperclass wrote:Steph is a top 3 passer(vision) in this league.. behind Lebron and Harden. You could EASILY see this back at Davidson.. his issue was if he would be able to penetrate due to his perceived lack of quickness.

No such issues with Young when it comes to penetrating. The guy penetrates as much as Harden, hence his ridiculous FTAs a game. If there's one worry, it is durability playing that style. Having said that, he seems to have an endless motor. He plays way better in the second halves of games in general despite the usage.
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Post#692 » by nolang1 » Thu Feb 1, 2018 10:43 pm

Michael Lucky wrote:
Upperclass wrote:Steph is a top 3 passer(vision) in this league.. behind Lebron and Harden. You could EASILY see this back at Davidson.. his issue was if he would be able to penetrate due to his perceived lack of quickness.

No such issues with Young when it comes to penetrating. The guy penetrates as much as Harden, hence his ridiculous FTAs a game. If there's one worry, it is durability playing that style. Having said that, he seems to have an endless motor. He plays way better in the second halves of games in general despite the usage.


The worry would be that his foul selling game is pretty much maxed out already and that better defenders will be fine with letting him penetrate and daring him to make a low-percentage shot over them.
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Re: Trae Young 

Post#693 » by Michael Lucky » Fri Feb 2, 2018 7:16 am

nolang1 wrote:
Michael Lucky wrote:
Upperclass wrote:Steph is a top 3 passer(vision) in this league.. behind Lebron and Harden. You could EASILY see this back at Davidson.. his issue was if he would be able to penetrate due to his perceived lack of quickness.

No such issues with Young when it comes to penetrating. The guy penetrates as much as Harden, hence his ridiculous FTAs a game. If there's one worry, it is durability playing that style. Having said that, he seems to have an endless motor. He plays way better in the second halves of games in general despite the usage.


The worry would be that his foul selling game is pretty much maxed out already and that better defenders will be fine with letting him penetrate and daring him to make a low-percentage shot over them.

after seeing Lou Williams play for a few years now in LA, i'm not too worried. :lol:
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Re: Trae Young 

Post#694 » by UcanUwill » Fri Feb 2, 2018 11:36 am

clyde21 wrote:
SeattleJazzFan wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
Trae does not blow Steph out of the water in terms of passing (or Chris Jackson tbh). Bobby Knight once said that Steph is the best passer he had ever seen coming out of college. If Steph were playing for D'Antoni (or when he played for Nellie) you'd see much more of that.


i saw Steph and Davidson. didn't have Trae's vision or passing ability - not even close. Bobby Knight is prone to hyperbole.


If Steph was a full time on ball PG like Harden or Russ he'd easily average 10apg.



Yes, but back in the day, his PG skills were highly questioned. People were afraid he is undersized, not overly athletic SG in the NBA.
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Post#695 » by nolang1 » Fri Feb 2, 2018 4:09 pm

Michael Lucky wrote:
nolang1 wrote:
Michael Lucky wrote:No such issues with Young when it comes to penetrating. The guy penetrates as much as Harden, hence his ridiculous FTAs a game. If there's one worry, it is durability playing that style. Having said that, he seems to have an endless motor. He plays way better in the second halves of games in general despite the usage.


The worry would be that his foul selling game is pretty much maxed out already and that better defenders will be fine with letting him penetrate and daring him to make a low-percentage shot over them.

after seeing Lou Williams play for a few years now in LA, i'm not too worried. :lol:


LouWill is much more vertically explosive than Young, and even then he’s been a bench player whose effectiveness has always been limited in the playoffs when teams (and referees probably) are paying more attention to the scouting report. For example, he went from 8.3 to 3.8 free throws per 36 minutes from the regular season to the playoffs last year, so that definitely is a concern for someone like Young who will be expected to be a superstar on offense.
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Re: Trae Young 

Post#696 » by EvanZ » Fri Feb 2, 2018 6:20 pm

Michael Lucky wrote:
Upperclass wrote:Steph is a top 3 passer(vision) in this league.. behind Lebron and Harden. You could EASILY see this back at Davidson.. his issue was if he would be able to penetrate due to his perceived lack of quickness.

No such issues with Young when it comes to penetrating. The guy penetrates as much as Harden, hence his ridiculous FTAs a game. If there's one worry, it is durability playing that style. Having said that, he seems to have an endless motor. He plays way better in the second halves of games in general despite the usage.


The issue is not his ability to penetrate. It's ability to finish. He's improving but it's a question. Probably the biggest question I personally have about him. Having said that, he's #2 on my board possibly #1 if he has a good tourney.
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Re: Trae Young 

Post#697 » by alebaba » Fri Feb 2, 2018 7:11 pm

Upperclass wrote:Steph is a top 3 passer(vision) in this league.. behind Lebron and Harden. You could EASILY see this back at Davidson.. his issue was if he would be able to penetrate due to his perceived lack of quickness.



Uhh no, curry passing and vision is okay, def not on the elite level.
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Post#698 » by dred926 » Fri Feb 2, 2018 9:02 pm

Upperclass wrote:Steph is a top 3 passer(vision) in this league.. behind Lebron and Harden. .


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cp3 says hi hell even lonzo ball is a better passer than curry during his first year in the nba... what are you on ? Curry is all time great shooter but passer no freaking way
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Re: Trae Young 

Post#699 » by No-Man » Fri Feb 2, 2018 9:36 pm

LeBron, Harden, Paul, Jokic, Simmons are better passers than Curry, after that he is probably there, Wall, Lonzo, Draymond, have a case too
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Re: Trae Young 

Post#700 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sat Feb 3, 2018 4:37 am

Givony has Trae Young at 7.

He's probably had the best line to insiders over the past few years.

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