DeMarcus Cousins. How good can he get?

[KF10]

Here was your grade for the Kings back in 2009:

Sacramento - D
The glass half empty thought process here is that Sacramento got a big time prospect in Tyreke Evans and another very nice player in Omri Casspi. That may be true, but the fact still remains that somehow Sacramento managed to not take one of the 11 or so first round talent point guards and is now once again stuck with Beno Udrih at the top of their depth chart. Talk about an epic failure, you almost had to try to not draft a PG this year, just ask Minnesota.

But you changed it to F later on:

I had no I dea Sacramento was planning on playing Evans as a full time PG, in that case I sure will adjust my grade.

Sacramento - F

Evans was a terrible PG at Memphis. He never got his teammates involved and only played PG because he was killing them as a SG. Evans played PG in college and high school so he could call his own number and shoot all the time. That will not fly in the NBA. The good news here is Sacramento will likely be so bad next year with him at the point that they can draft John Wall.

Most people were caught up in the notion that we completely bombed the pick because we did not selected Rubio or Flynn.

It seems like you were not high on the Kings draft because of your notion of the inability of Evans play at the PG.

[Cammo101]

Here was your grade for the Kings back in 2009:

Sacramento - D
The glass half empty thought process here is that Sacramento got a big time prospect in Tyreke Evans and another very nice player in Omri Casspi. That may be true, but the fact still remains that somehow Sacramento managed to not take one of the 11 or so first round talent point guards and is now once again stuck with Beno Udrih at the top of their depth chart. Talk about an epic failure, you almost had to try to not draft a PG this year, just ask Minnesota.

But you changed it to F later on:

I had no I dea Sacramento was planning on playing Evans as a full time PG, in that case I sure will adjust my grade.

Sacramento - F

Evans was a terrible PG at Memphis. He never got his teammates involved and only played PG because he was killing them as a SG. Evans played PG in college and high school so he could call his own number and shoot all the time. That will not fly in the NBA. The good news here is Sacramento will likely be so bad next year with him at the point that they can draft John Wall.

Most people were caught up in the notion that we completely bombed the pick because we did not selected Rubio or Flynn.

It seems like you were not high on the Kings draft because of your notion of the inability of Evans play at the PG.

I still don't buy him as a PG, but he is a good enough athlete to put up numbers is allowed to dominate the ball. But, can a team win with him doing that? I have serious doubts.

He certainly had a better year than expected, but the question still remains. Can he be a true point guard and win games or is he the PG version of Zach Randolph. A guy who can put up large numbers if allowed to dominate the ball, but because it his team doesn't do well.

If the kid pans, I'll be happy for him. He is fun to watch.

[RIPskaterdude]

Cammo is an obvious Tyreke Evans hater, there's no way to convince him otherwise. He was wrong, and he refuses to admit it.

[Cammo101]

Cammo is an obvious Tyreke Evans hater, there's no way to convince him otherwise. He was wrong, and he refuses to admit it.

I have nothing against Evans. He seems like a good enough kid. I just think he fell in a good situation so devoid of talent that he could be a one man show.

The Kings went 25-57 with Evans as their "star" this year. He didn't exactly drag his team to victory.

[KF10]

I still don't buy him as a PG, but he is a good enough athlete to put up numbers is allowed to dominate the ball. But, can a team win with him doing that? I have serious doubts.

He certainly had a better year than expected, but the question still remains. Can he be a true point guard and win games or is he the PG version of Zach Randolph. A guy who can put up large numbers if allowed to dominate the ball, but because it his team doesn't do well.

If the kid pans, I'll be happy for him. He is fun to watch.

I think I have to get this point across, Evans handles the ball the most in our team. Necessarily he isn't a point guard in the sense of a Stockton or Nash. But he can play the position well and the 2 spot.

I think the problem of most people is that most try to envision him as a true point guard. He does not fit in that description. He is a lead-type of guard that makes plays for everyone.

[RIPskaterdude]

Cammo is an obvious Tyreke Evans hater, there's no way to convince him otherwise. He was wrong, and he refuses to admit it.

I have nothing against Evans. He seems like a good enough kid. I just think he fell in a good situation so devoid of talent that he could be a one man show.

The Kings went 25-57 with Evans as their "star" this year. He didn't exactly drag his team to victory.

The Kings were 17-65 before having Evans as their "star", which is a 8 game improvement, even though they were without their best player in 08 (Martin) for most of the season. I didn't know that the 4th pick in the draft was required to take the worst team in the NBA and turn them into a playoff team in one season.

[LeBron's Time]

Cammo is an obvious Tyreke Evans hater, there's no way to convince him otherwise. He was wrong, and he refuses to admit it.

I have nothing against Evans. He seems like a good enough kid. I just think he fell in a good situation so devoid of talent that he could be a one man show.

The Kings went 25-57 with Evans as their "star" this year. He didn't exactly drag his team to victory.

how bout kevin durant rookie year team record, 20 win - 62 losses.

we have debate in the past when tyreke still playing in memphis. you realy don't like him.

[Cammo101]

Cammo is an obvious Tyreke Evans hater, there's no way to convince him otherwise. He was wrong, and he refuses to admit it.

I have nothing against Evans. He seems like a good enough kid. I just think he fell in a good situation so devoid of talent that he could be a one man show.

The Kings went 25-57 with Evans as their "star" this year. He didn't exactly drag his team to victory.

how bout kevin durant rookie year team record, 20 win - 62 losses.

we have debate in the past when tyreke still playing in memphis. you realy don't like him.

I don't like him as a PG or a teams go to guy. I think he is a talented guy though.

[LeBron's Time]

I do not see him as an NBA star, and he is the kind of player that has to be the ball dominator to be effective. He has skills, but I do not really see his game easily transitioning to the NBA. He takes a ton of bad shots and plays one on one with no regard for the rest of his team.

CAMMOS DRAFT GRADES

New York - A
The Knicks did the smart thing by staying put and taking Jordan Hill. There may have been sexier picks out there, but he was the best prospect left and filled a huge need. He is a better player and fit than Curry would have been. Douglas is a big defensive PG who can really score. I expect both he and Hill to be starters in New York for a good long time.


Sacramento - D
The glass half empty thought process here is that Sacramento got a big time prospect in Tyreke Evans and another very nice player in Omri Casspi. That may be true, but the fact still remains that somehow Sacramento managed to not take one of the 11 or so first round talent point guards and is now once again stuck with Beno Udrih at the top of their depth chart. Talk about an epic failure, you almost had to try to not draft a PG this year, just ask Minnesota.

man i don't know why you give an A grade on knicks by drafting jordan hill and you give sacramento an D grade by drafting the rookie of the year evans.

[Cammo101]

I do not see him as an NBA star, and he is the kind of player that has to be the ball dominator to be effective. He has skills, but I do not really see his game easily transitioning to the NBA. He takes a ton of bad shots and plays one on one with no regard for the rest of his team.

CAMMOS DRAFT GRADES

New York - A
The Knicks did the smart thing by staying put and taking Jordan Hill. There may have been sexier picks out there, but he was the best prospect left and filled a huge need. He is a better player and fit than Curry would have been. Douglas is a big defensive PG who can really score. I expect both he and Hill to be starters in New York for a good long time.


Sacramento - D
The glass half empty thought process here is that Sacramento got a big time prospect in Tyreke Evans and another very nice player in Omri Casspi. That may be true, but the fact still remains that somehow Sacramento managed to not take one of the 11 or so first round talent point guards and is now once again stuck with Beno Udrih at the top of their depth chart. Talk about an epic failure, you almost had to try to not draft a PG this year, just ask Minnesota.

man i don't know why you give an A grade on knicks by drafting jordan hill and you give sacramento an D grade by drafting the rookie of the year evans.

I don't know why you are deciding rookie player's worth after one year.

I like how you missed the part where I call Evans a big time prospect.

[Canomad]

cool the demarcus cousins thread turned into a tyreke evans thread...



get back on track demarcus is playing tonight!

[mattg]

I do not see him as an NBA star, and he is the kind of player that has to be the ball dominator to be effective. He has skills, but I do not really see his game easily transitioning to the NBA. He takes a ton of bad shots and plays one on one with no regard for the rest of his team.

CAMMOS DRAFT GRADES

New York - A
The Knicks did the smart thing by staying put and taking Jordan Hill. There may have been sexier picks out there, but he was the best prospect left and filled a huge need. He is a better player and fit than Curry would have been. Douglas is a big defensive PG who can really score. I expect both he and Hill to be starters in New York for a good long time.


Sacramento - D
The glass half empty thought process here is that Sacramento got a big time prospect in Tyreke Evans and another very nice player in Omri Casspi. That may be true, but the fact still remains that somehow Sacramento managed to not take one of the 11 or so first round talent point guards and is now once again stuck with Beno Udrih at the top of their depth chart. Talk about an epic failure, you almost had to try to not draft a PG this year, just ask Minnesota.

man i don't know why you give an A grade on knicks by drafting jordan hill and you give sacramento an D grade by drafting the rookie of the year evans.

I don't know why you are deciding rookie player's worth after one year.

I like how you missed the part where I call Evans a big time prospect.

you have a habit of coming across salty as hell when you're wrong with regards to scouting a player. no one would say **** to you if you'd just man up and admit you absolutely whiffed. Calling a guy a big time prospect is nice and all, but then you proceed to chastise Sac for not taking a PG and call their draft an 'epic failure'....it's a bit contradictory.

[Cammo101]

you have a habit of coming across salty as hell when you're wrong with regards to scouting a player. no one would say **** to you if you'd just man up and admit you absolutely whiffed. Calling a guy a big time prospect is nice and all, but then you proceed to chastise Sac for not taking a PG and call their draft an 'epic failure'....it's a bit contradictory.

I have admitted I missed on plenty of guys in the past (Russell Westbrook being a famous example). But, I am not yet ready to on Evans. For one, I had him rated around the 8th best player in the draft, so I did not predict him to be some D League bum. What I did predict, was that it would not be good for Sacramento if they try to make him a PG.

It isn't contradictory. Sacramento still stinks, and I am fairly certain the goal of the draft is to improve, not to put a guy in a situation to put up hollow stats and not win.

He had a good year, and I may end up being wrong about him, but all I have seen so far is a guy playing one man team and putting up good numbers. Hell, Stephen Jackson did that in Atlanta a few years back. Any half decent player can put up numbers on teams devoid of talent, but can they help a team win? Last time I checked, that was the goal.

Zach Randolph has put up pretty numbers for years, yet no one has fallen in love with him, because there is more to the NBA than numbers, especially scoring.

[KF10]

You don't get it.

What do you expect Evans to do with that roster? Improve it by +20 wins? As good as Evans was last year, he is still a rookie. Lets stop pretending that he was wasn't beneficiary to the Kings development and success for the team.

You seem to cling to the notion that:

"Oh, even with Evans good numbers, his team still sucks!"

His first year is not an end all conclusion. I mean, I know you do not like the guy but come on, you are reaching.

The Kings were the 3rd youngest team in the NBA and the least experienced team as well. The fact is, the Kings are in a rebuilding phase but one of the brightest teams in the NBA at the same time.

Your problem is you are looking at the situation, at a short-sighted POV.

[mattg]

you have a habit of coming across salty as hell when you're wrong with regards to scouting a player. no one would say **** to you if you'd just man up and admit you absolutely whiffed. Calling a guy a big time prospect is nice and all, but then you proceed to chastise Sac for not taking a PG and call their draft an 'epic failure'....it's a bit contradictory.

I have admitted I missed on plenty of guys in the past (Russell Westbrook being a famous example). But, I am not yet ready to on Evans. For one, I had him rated around the 8th best player in the draft, so I did not predict him to be some D League bum. What I did predict, was that it would not be good for Sacramento if they try to make him a PG.

It isn't contradictory. Sacramento still stinks, and I am fairly certain the goal of the draft is to improve, not to put a guy in a situation to put up hollow stats and not win.

He had a good year, and I may end up being wrong about him, but all I have seen so far is a guy playing one man team and putting up good numbers. Hell, Stephen Jackson did that in Atlanta a few years back. Any half decent player can put up numbers on teams devoid of talent, but can they help a team win? Last time I checked, that was the goal.

Zach Randolph has put up pretty numbers for years, yet no one has fallen in love with him, because there is more to the NBA than numbers, especially scoring.

name some recent rookies that led awful teams to huge improvements...the list is quite short because usually, nba rookies don't make a huge impact on wins/losses in their first year. It's just how it goes. Do you believe Brandon Jennings should have been ROY this past season? The main argument for him was that he helped lead a team to the playoffs and a huge improvement in the W/L column despite early season projections around 30 wins for the bucks.

Also, for what it's worth, Sacramento did improve by 8 games, and did so without Kevin Martin most of it. It's tough to win in the West last year with all the good big men when you rolled out a frontcourt like the Kings did.

[Cammo101]

You don't get it.

What do you expect Evans to do with that roster? Improve it by +20 wins? As good as Evans was last year, he is still a rookie. Lets stop pretending that he was wasn't beneficiary to the Kings development and success for the team.

You seem to cling to the notion that:

"Oh, even with Evans good numbers, his team still sucks!"

His first year is not an end all conclusion. I mean, I know you do not like the guy but come on, you are reaching.

The Kings were the 3rd youngest team in the NBA and the least experienced team as well. The fact is, the Kings are in a rebuilding phase but one of the brightest teams in the NBA at the same time.

Your problem is you are looking at the situation, at a short-sighted POV.

No, my problem is that he has not changed my opinion. If you started with the opinion that he would come in and light the world on fire, then you certainly have seen enough to still believe it.

I came into this season thinking Tyreke is a very good natural athlete and a good player, but not a PG. He can get his, but can he run a team? I have seen nothing to change my mind. In the same way the people who love him have seen nothing to change their mind either.

[Cammo101]

name some recent rookies that led awful teams to huge improvements...the list is quite short because usually, nba rookies don't make a huge impact on wins/losses in their first year. It's just how it goes. Do you believe Brandon Jennings should have been ROY this past season? The main argument for him was that he helped lead a team to the playoffs and a huge improvement in the W/L column despite early season projections around 30 wins for the bucks.

Also, for what it's worth, Sacramento did improve by 8 games, and did so without Kevin Martin most of it. It's tough to win in the West last year with all the good big men when you rolled out a frontcourt like the Kings did.

I think Jennings deserved consideration for what he did in Milwaukee, but ROY being such a numbers driven award, I'd prolly have gone with Evans. I think Jennings is a true PG and as such he had a much bigger impact on his team and the success it had.

Player for player Milwaukee were not much, if at all better than Sacramento last year. But, they won a lot more games after adding stud rookies.

Make no mistake though, my so called hate for Evans is imaginary and mainly due to Kings fans being rabid on this site. I think he is a talented kid and a good player. Pair him up with a real PG who does not need to dominate the ball (a Jameer type) and he will do great things. As the PG though, I still don't see it. He will put up numbers, but the team will still suck IMO.

[KF10]

No, my problem is that he has not changed my opinion. If you started with the opinion that he would come in and light the world on fire, then you certainly have seen enough to still believe it.

That was not my point. My point was you hold Evans to a standard that is completely unrealistic. And giving the notion that he can't be beneficiary to the team is ridiculous. Here is a quote of yours:

It isn't contradictory. Sacramento still stinks, and I am fairly certain the goal of the draft is to improve, not to put a guy in a situation to put up hollow stats and not win.

Do you not see what you have said? It's borderline insane if you think Evans did not create a positive impact to the Kings.

I came into this season thinking Tyreke is a very good natural athlete and a good player, but not a PG.

Again to reiterate the point, the problem of most people is that most try to envision him as a true point guard. He does not fit in that description. He is a lead-type of guard that makes plays for everyone.

People (including yourself) put too much weight into positional categories. PG, SG whatever, Evans has the ability to play either position well.

He can get his, but can he run a team? I have seen nothing to change my mind. In the same way the people who love him have seen nothing to change their mind either.

You haven't seen the second half of the season then.

Again, your description of Evans earlier in the thread may be accurate but if you randomly select a game from pre-December/January and games post-January/February, you can clearly see Evans is a much more better player in terms of recognizing when and where to pass, creating plays effortlessly, just a more "point guard" feel of the game in games post-January/February.

[Cammo101]

We will see I guess. It is possible, but still up in the air IMO. He had a better rookie year than I expected, but he did not impact his team nearly as much as Brandon Jennings did.

[abrock]

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