2021 NBA Draft

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

David Duke is really good. Like Lottery pick good. He’s one of the most athletic players in the draft.

He should really go by “Dave.”

[Chi town]

I still think Suggs' upside is clearly higher than Mobley's

Me too. A big can no longer be your franchise player. AD needed Lebron. Even Jokic is really secondary to Murray in playoff pressure when you need a shot.

I like Mobley a lot as a JJJ type but even then he will only be your 2nd best on Ayer if you are going to do anything. Not even 1b.

I take Suggs Cade Green and Kuminga over Mobley.

What makes you think Suggs has a higher upside? He's been playing in a perfect system designed towards him. Would he still play the same in a system like OK state? Mobley has been excellent for USC so far. He already has an excellent jump shot for a 7-footer, high IQ, and elite defensive potential.

Suggs reads are ridiculously advanced. He makes everyone better. His shot and playmaking are real. Strong defender and elite IQ on both sides.

Mobley is great but he’s a 5. He will never be a lead handler or playmaker this never a franchise cornerstone and always a 2 at best.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Me too. A big can no longer be your franchise player. AD needed Lebron. Even Jokic is really secondary to Murray in playoff pressure when you need a shot.

I like Mobley a lot as a JJJ type but even then he will only be your 2nd best on Ayer if you are going to do anything. Not even 1b.

I take Suggs Cade Green and Kuminga over Mobley.

What makes you think Suggs has a higher upside? He's been playing in a perfect system designed towards him. Would he still play the same in a system like OK state? Mobley has been excellent for USC so far. He already has an excellent jump shot for a 7-footer, high IQ, and elite defensive potential.

Suggs reads are ridiculously advanced. He makes everyone better. His shot and playmaking are real. Strong defender and elite IQ on both sides.

Mobley is great but he’s a 5. He will never be a lead handler or playmaker this never a franchise cornerstone and always a 2 at best.

If you exclude Jokic, AD, and Embiid from franchise player consideration, you set a very high bar that’s really difficult for Suggs to clear. There are maybe 5 guys capable of being the best perimeter player on a championship team, and Suggs, as much as I like him, hasn’t shown the kind of game-breaking traits that put his upside there (I don’t think Cade has either, tbh). So if he isn’t a lead initiator on a championship team, we’re really talking about a #2 (at best) which is what Mobley may be by virtue of being a big.

It’s early yet, maybe Suggs goes nuclear, but to put it another way, how many guys his size have been *that* good without top .5% athleticism or skill? I don’t see either in him.

[Sea2003]

Me too. A big can no longer be your franchise player. AD needed Lebron. Even Jokic is really secondary to Murray in playoff pressure when you need a shot.

I like Mobley a lot as a JJJ type but even then he will only be your 2nd best on Ayer if you are going to do anything. Not even 1b.

I take Suggs Cade Green and Kuminga over Mobley.

What makes you think Suggs has a higher upside? He's been playing in a perfect system designed towards him. Would he still play the same in a system like OK state? Mobley has been excellent for USC so far. He already has an excellent jump shot for a 7-footer, high IQ, and elite defensive potential.

Suggs reads are ridiculously advanced. He makes everyone better. His shot and playmaking are real. Strong defender and elite IQ on both sides.

Mobley is great but he’s a 5. He will never be a lead handler or playmaker this never a franchise cornerstone and always a 2 at best.

Mobley isn't a traditional 5. As Bon said, you can pretty much mold him into any type of big. To me, what really separates him from the pack is his ability to ability to impact the game in so many ways. As good as Suggs has been, I just don't think he's shown enough to comfortably put him in the top 2.

[Duke4life831]

David Duke is really good. Like Lottery pick good. He’s one of the most athletic players in the draft.

He should really go by “Dave.”

Haha my thoughts as well

[ThunderBolt]

Hey Greg Brown might not be horrible this year.

[MotownMadness]

Cade
Mobley
Suggs

Is my top 3 by a good margin then you get into more of the projects with good upside after that filling out the top 10

Cant wait to see Green and Kuminga and where they place. looking like its gonna be a great top 5 this year.

[Zombiesonics]

Mobley has great defensive instincts as far as rim protection, he’s an above avg rebounder, and has a decent face up game where he likes to go to that jumpstop hook. I just don’t buy his offensive upside, he is a good ft shooter but doesn’t really hunt 3s or look comfortable taking catch n shoot jumpers. It’s hard to justify taking him above so many potential lead creators IMO.

I don’t see the bosh comps, cb was much stronger in his lower body and physical coming out of hs and his one year at tech. JJJ is on the money

[Marcus]

Really not seeing this JJJ comp y'all keep taggin on this kid. Seems like two different games to me.

[No-Man]

Scottie Barnes with the runner to win the game in OT. He’s as fearless as he is limited as a scorer.

He is basically another flavour of Slo-mo, top15-20 guy but nothing more, solid versatile front-court piece, offensively a Center

[No-Man]

Really not seeing this JJJ comp y'all keep taggin on this kid. Seems like two different games to me.

yeah, I don't see it either, and JJJ to me was clearly more intriguing, with higher upside on offense, which is the issue with Mobley

I think Mobley's peak looks similar to Pau's

[Zombiesonics]

Really not seeing this JJJ comp y'all keep taggin on this kid. Seems like two different games to me.

It’s hard for me to muster up a different one for a ; really crazy wingspan 4/5, blocks a lot of shots but isn’t a multi position defender, good ft shooter/mechanics with some facile post moves.

Jjj as a pro hunts those 3pt attempts more though obviously. Ayton was just bulkier and definitely had a different offensive game...

[The-Power]

Really not seeing this JJJ comp y'all keep taggin on this kid. Seems like two different games to me.

Yeah, doesn't make a lot of sense to me either. JJJ – who I loved as a prospect – was stronger, better shooter, more energetic and aggressive. Mobley is at a different level in terms of feel for the game, composure and playmaking, passing. Better touch, too, and better on the glass (which isn't really saying much, though). Just really different players as far as I'm concerned. Other than both being long and very intriguing as prospects I don't see a lot of similarities. To me, both are among the best PF/C prospects we've seen in the last years.

[clyde21]

Really not seeing this JJJ comp y'all keep taggin on this kid. Seems like two different games to me.

yeah, I don't see it either, and JJJ to me was clearly more intriguing, with higher upside on offense, which is the issue with Mobley

I think Mobley's peak looks similar to Pau's

[clyde21]

Really not seeing this JJJ comp y'all keep taggin on this kid. Seems like two different games to me.

yeah, I don't see it either, and JJJ to me was clearly more intriguing, with higher upside on offense, which is the issue with Mobley

I think Mobley's peak looks similar to Pau's

more elementary analysis, 4 doesn't shoot 3s = 4 must be a 5

[No-Man]

better touch? Jackson has absurd touch, def above Mobley's

Triple J hasn't been a stud in NBA there yet, but he was way better on D than Mobley has so far in college, he was really elite for age/experience

Also way younger than Evan re:his draft year, Mobley is going to be 20yo when he gets draft, Jaren was still 18

[The-Power]

more elementary analysis, 4 doesn't shoot 3s = 4 must be a 5

I'm really wondering what ‘a 5 on offense’ really means. First of all, there are so many different ways Centers play in the NBA. Second of all, Barnes runs the point for Florida State quite a bit – not typically something associated with 5's but with Point Forwards.

[clyde21]

better touch? Jackson has absurd touch, def above Mobley's

Triple J hasn't been a stud in NBA there yet, but he was way better on D than Mobley has so far in college, he was really elite for age/experience

Also way younger than Evan re:his draft year, Mobley is going to be 20yo when he gets draft, Jaren was still 18

no he wasn't, JJJ couldn't even stay on the court because he had no idea how to play defense without fouling...and still an issue for him btw.

[No-Man]

more elementary analysis, 4 doesn't shoot 3s = 4 must be a 5

I'm really wondering what ‘a 5 on offense’ really means. First of all, there are so many different ways Centers play in the NBA. Second of all, Barnes runs the point for Florida State quite a bit – not typically something associated with 5's but with Point Forwards.

if you think Barnes is going to be able to run any point in the NBA I am not sure what are you watching

He runs it for FSU cause they had to promise him that to committ and cause Hamilton for some reason never wants dynamic Guards

That team is built terribly

Barnes is a 5 on offense because that's the best way to extract offensive value for him in the league and has enoguh size and defensive ability to hang if he has to play Center por stretches

JJJ fouled a lot yes, he was also excellent on D, both can be true, the dude had a 14BLK%, 7.3DBPM, best DRtg in his team, while being 18 the whole year in the Big10, he also had insane flashes of versatility and recognition, probably the most intriguing defensive big prospect since AD came out back then (2018)

[The-Power]

if you think Barnes is going to be able to run any point in the NBA I am not sure what are you watching

He can play point the same way Draymond Green can. Who plays next to a 5 for most of the game, and only slides over to defend Centers (while still handling the ball a lot) when the team goes small. So where's the big difference between them in this regard?

Again: what does ‘a 5 on offense’ exactly mean? Still haven't seen an answer to that very fundamental question.