RJ Barrett

[clyde21]

people continue to ignore that Barrett shot 50% from the field in the games Zion missed.

that's evidence #1 that it was not a great situation for him at all at Duke.

[HeadtopChunes]

Hey, he makes up the poor shooting with volume! Actually, I'm a fan. He's one of those players where you gotta choose to either look at the glass half full rather than half empty. The half full part is really good. And a lot of the half empty parts are correctible. Hopefully he gets with a team that has strong veterans who will mentor him.

He also needs a coach that will hold him accountable defensively. Or he will continue being lazy on that end.

I wonder which lottery team would be best for him, maybe Atlanta?

He did a good job defensively in the tournament.

He did seem more locked in the games i caught, but he showed a tendency to lose interest in defense during the season (got backcut alot).

I think now the best time to instill those habits in him, he probably won't ever be a stopper but there's no reason he cants be a positive defender at least.

The problem with DeRozan was the Raptors organization never held him accountable on that end until it was too late, easier to change the habits of a 19-year-old vs a 29-year-old.

[doordoor123]

He also needs a coach that will hold him accountable defensively. Or he will continue being lazy on that end.

I wonder which lottery team would be best for him, maybe Atlanta?

He did a good job defensively in the tournament.

He did seem more locked in the games i caught, but he showed a tendency to lose interest in defense during the season (got backcut alot).

I think now the best time to instill those habits in him, he probably won't ever be a stopper but there's no reason he cants be a positive defender at least.

The problem with DeRozan was the Raptors organization never held him accountable on that end until it was too late, easier to change the habits of a 19-year-old vs a 29-year-old.

I don’t know, I’m a believer in 29 year olds.

[Ruzious]

So where does a guy play in the league that can’t shoot and doesn’t play any D???

Hey, he makes up the poor shooting with volume! Actually, I'm a fan. He's one of those players where you gotta choose to either look at the glass half full rather than half empty. The half full part is really good. And a lot of the half empty parts are correctible. Hopefully he gets with a team that has strong veterans who will mentor him.

He also needs a coach that will hold him accountable defensively. Or he will continue being lazy on that end.

I wonder which lottery team would be best for him, maybe Atlanta?

Oof, maybe if they still had Budenholzer, but that offensive-minded young roster would not be my choice for him.

[HeadtopChunes]

Hey, he makes up the poor shooting with volume! Actually, I'm a fan. He's one of those players where you gotta choose to either look at the glass half full rather than half empty. The half full part is really good. And a lot of the half empty parts are correctible. Hopefully he gets with a team that has strong veterans who will mentor him.

He also needs a coach that will hold him accountable defensively. Or he will continue being lazy on that end.

I wonder which lottery team would be best for him, maybe Atlanta?

Oof, maybe if they still had Budenholzer, but that offensive-minded young roster would not be my choice for him.

Well my reasoning was Llyod Pierce was a defensive coach on the 76ers, Atlanta would also have some really good spacing between Trae and Huerter and a great roll man in Collins. Trae would also allow Barrett to be a secondary creator instead of primary.

But maybe from Atlanta's POV, they would want a more of a defensive minded wing to compliment that core.

[Bruin]

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[pelifan]

people continue to ignore that Barrett shot 50% from the field in the games Zion missed.

that's evidence #1 that it was not a great situation for him at all at Duke.

Yea I ignored it Clyde because its not a convincing argument. Consider the sample size. His usage was roughly the same and he's making 10 instead of 9 of every 20 shots. That almost certainly falls within the margin of error for a random sample.

Could it be something meaningful, sure. But from a statistical standpoint it's more than likely nothing. think one would really have to watch the games and point out the differences that prove that point

[clyde21]

people continue to ignore that Barrett shot 50% from the field in the games Zion missed.

that's evidence #1 that it was not a great situation for him at all at Duke.

Yea I ignored it Clyde because its not a convincing argument. Consider the sample size. His usage was roughly the same and he's making 10 instead of 9 of every 20 shots. That almost certainly falls within the margin of error for a random sample.

Could it be something meaningful, sure. But from a statistical standpoint it's more than likely nothing. think one would really have to watch the games and point out the differences that prove that point

it may not be convincing on it's own but it's strong evidence that he'd do much better from an efficiency standpoint on a team with more spacing. At Duke he was kind of screwed both ways: they had very little shooting AND teams were already packing the paint because of Zion. And I don't think 5% increase in overall efficiency in 6 games is something to ignore either.

btw, his 2pt% jumped from 53% to 63% in the same span, which is a HUGE jump.

[Barnsey]

You know who Barrett kind of reminds me of? A taller Dion Waiters. Granted he has a better head on his shoulders, and if Waiters was 6'7" then maybe he'd be a star, but i think they provide similar things on the court.

[VanWest82]

people continue to ignore that Barrett shot 50% from the field in the games Zion missed.

that's evidence #1 that it was not a great situation for him at all at Duke.

Yea I ignored it Clyde because its not a convincing argument. Consider the sample size. His usage was roughly the same and he's making 10 instead of 9 of every 20 shots. That almost certainly falls within the margin of error for a random sample.

Could it be something meaningful, sure. But from a statistical standpoint it's more than likely nothing. think one would really have to watch the games and point out the differences that prove that point

it may not be convincing on it's own but it's strong evidence that he'd do much better from an efficiency standpoint on a team with more spacing. At Duke he was kind of screwed both ways: they had very little shooting AND teams were already packing the paint because of Zion. And I don't think 5% increase in overall efficiency in 6 games is something to ignore either.

btw, his 2pt% jumped from 53% to 63% in the same span, which is a HUGE jump.

Yes but RJ also had an ultra efficient, high volume game vs. Syracuse in that span where he got to play point man in the middle of the zone. That's not going to happen at the NBA level, or any level other than when you play Syracuse. He also got to stat pad against the likes of Miami and Wake Forrest.

I think most players play better with better spacing, but Barrett can't beat anyone off the dribble. How is he taking advantage of all that extra space? He'll refine his skills and ultimately be a good player at the next level, but he has a long ways to go to becoming efficient IMO.

[Crives]

My favorite thing about RJ for the suns is that Nash loves him

[clyde21]

Yea I ignored it Clyde because its not a convincing argument. Consider the sample size. His usage was roughly the same and he's making 10 instead of 9 of every 20 shots. That almost certainly falls within the margin of error for a random sample.

Could it be something meaningful, sure. But from a statistical standpoint it's more than likely nothing. think one would really have to watch the games and point out the differences that prove that point

it may not be convincing on it's own but it's strong evidence that he'd do much better from an efficiency standpoint on a team with more spacing. At Duke he was kind of screwed both ways: they had very little shooting AND teams were already packing the paint because of Zion. And I don't think 5% increase in overall efficiency in 6 games is something to ignore either.

btw, his 2pt% jumped from 53% to 63% in the same span, which is a HUGE jump.

Yes but RJ also had an ultra efficient, high volume game vs. Syracuse in that span where he got to play point man in the middle of the zone. That's not going to happen at the NBA level, or any level other than when you play Syracuse. He also got to stat pad against the likes of Miami and Wake Forrest.

I think most players play better with better spacing, but Barrett can't beat anyone off the dribble. How is he taking advantage of all that extra space? He'll refine his skills and ultimately be a good player at the next level, but he has a long ways to go to becoming efficient IMO.

well he played Syracuse with Zion earlier in the season when they lost and wasn't nearly as efficient so I'm not sure it's the defensive scheme, but even if you take out that game his FG% and 2PT% both went up without Zion...again because what he likes to do is attack the basket...which he really wasn't able to do as much at Duke honestly.

and I hear ya on the first step issue and it's one of the weaknesses...but he's still a strong straight line athlete one he gets going so he should be a bigger threat in transition and a more up-and-down game in the NBA. he's also big and strong so he'll have that advantage over a lot of guards in the NBA eventually.

[shi-woo]

Rj is going to be another great example of how a player improves in an environment with more space and illegal defense.

I don't see James Harden, but I think RJ can come out with a Tyreke type of rookie year

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[facothomas22]

Most people would see him as a top 3 pick,being that he has good athleticism,high motor,etc,howeverR.J Barrett really isn't that good. Very inconsistent,not a good jump shooter,and not the best defender.Even in a weaker draft class, He's not a top 3 pick in my opinion. I say players who are obviously better than R.J Barrett are Zion Williamson and J.J Morant. Far as other player who are better than R.J Barrett are De'andre Hunter,and yes even Jarrett Culver. I don't see how R.J Barrett would be more than a mediocre starter in the NBA.

[JamesDolan]

He not even 19 yet is he? He not a finished product yet. Give the kid time. I love to see him fall to my Warriors. But he a top pick 1-5 and it's not going to happen.

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[Stillwater]

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1740293
There is a rj thread already

[clyde21]

see RJ thread above ^

also im not sure how you say someone who just broke Bagley's freshmen season scoring record as 'inconsistent', who also averaged 22.6p / 7.6r / 4.3a per game as an 18 year-old.

[Yuri Vaultin]

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[Duke4life831]

Very productive at Duke, but glad he only stayed for 1 season. Just not a fan of his game at all. I felt like I was watching someone try to be Harden just without the efficiency. No clue what he will be in the NBA, I could see him being a Tyreke Evans level of player. Or I could see him figuring it out and being a really good player. Overall just not a fun play style to watch.

[Nazrmohamed]

people continue to ignore that Barrett shot 50% from the field in the games Zion missed.

that's evidence #1 that it was not a great situation for him at all at Duke.

In alot of ways it wasnt a great situation for any of them. I never liked Dukes setup this year. It was as if there was a salary cap. Recruit a big 3 and run outta money cuz the rest of that team was trash and the makeuo of that big three was clumbsy.

And tgis isnt to bash anyone i dividually but tgere were some key things that matter when put together. You had three HS ball dominant elite talents who werent the best shooters except Reddish who in alot of ways needs the ball to shoot. You cant just park him on a corner for him to get any rythm.

So what does it create? Conjestion. No spacing. So here then is the thing. Nobody dare bash Reddishs box scores so they talk about his advanced stuff and efficiency, assist rate. Well to me at least at the college level....thats coaching and system. Maybe a 4yr nba vet and we can talk about all that. These were talented players and IMO coach K really didnt utilize them correctly and Ill get bashed for having the gall to question coach, but people fall off, or they rely too much on recruiting, or recruit for hype and not chemistry or fit.