Trae Young

[SlowPaced]

A team that's desperate for an offensive leader probably takes their chances with Trae.

[nolang1]

The limited teammates argument doesn't hold as much weight with me because you're going to have to sacrifice shooting/creation ability from the other spots to find guys who can cover for him on defense; it's not like teams have been doing anything extreme like a box-and-one or constantly double-teaming Young in this recent stretch. Guys like Curry and Tyus Jones have always had much more IQ on that side of the ball to make up for their physical limitations.

[GimmeDat]

A team that's desperate for an offensive leader probably takes their chances with Trae.

Orlando's there at 4 right now, with no PG talent, and they have Gordon, Isaac in the front-court, as well as vets like Vucevic and Biyombo. They're probably the team most likely to go for him. I think every other bottom feeders hoping they do as well.

[Alatan]

I think he will be a Steve Nash light edition in the NBA. He is too skilled to bust but he is athletically and physically limited while also having a less than optimal shooting mechanics to base his game as a shooter and become something more than a good starter.

[RookieStar]

A team that's desperate for an offensive leader probably takes their chances with Trae.

Orlando's there at 4 right now, with no PG talent, and they have Gordon, Isaac in the front-court, as well as vets like Vucevic and Biyombo. They're probably the team most likely to go for him. I think every other bottom feeders hoping they do as well.

While we do need a PG badly, I don't think our team is that desperate to give the keys to a rookie to chuck whatever/whenever. Unless we get rid of Fournier/Gordon/Simmons/Vuc, that's gonna create a lot of problems when those "vets" see their shots being taken away by a rook.

*unless Trae is gonna make most of them unlike the percentages in their 6(??) game losing streak*

[SlowPaced]

A team that's desperate for an offensive leader probably takes their chances with Trae.

Orlando's there at 4 right now, with no PG talent, and they have Gordon, Isaac in the front-court, as well as vets like Vucevic and Biyombo. They're probably the team most likely to go for him. I think every other bottom feeders hoping they do as well.

While we do need a PG badly, I don't think our team is that desperate to give the keys to a rookie to chuck whatever/whenever. Unless we get rid of Fournier/Gordon/Simmons/Vuc, that's gonna create a lot of problems when those "vets" see their shots being taken away by a rook.

*unless Trae is gonna make most of them unlike the percentages in their 6(??) game losing streak*

They don't have to do that though. Being the leader of the team doesn't mean chucking whatever/whenever. It's about projections anyway, rarely does any rookie step in to become the leader of the team. But it may be what the team have in plan.

[RookieStar]

Isn't that part of Trae's game though? To be a danger wherever in the court ( even 3 feet away from the 3pt line). I mean that's why he has the chance to drive seeing as his defender will follow him that far. If he's not a danger to chuck away then that would be a less effective Trae IMO.

[SlowPaced]

Isn't that part of Trae's game though? To be a danger wherever in the court ( even 3 feet away from the 3pt line). I mean that's why he has the chance to drive seeing as his defender will follow him that far. If he's not a danger to chuck away then that would be a less effective Trae IMO.

You can shoot a lot and still do it in a system. Rookies almost never get that green light, but that doesn't mean the team isn't planning to eventually give him that green light.

[kb02]

Isn't that part of Trae's game though? To be a danger wherever in the court ( even 3 feet away from the 3pt line). I mean that's why he has the chance to drive seeing as his defender will follow him that far. If he's not a danger to chuck away then that would be a less effective Trae IMO.

He'll need to be 4 ft away just to get his shot off. And you're right, strip away the shooting n he's mid first rounder.

Sexton is a better pro prospect than Young.

Sexton = Pat Beverly.
Young = Tyus Jones with a better shot n slightly better passing, but poorer decision making.

[Duke4life831]

I think he will be a Steve Nash light edition in the NBA. He is too skilled to bust but he is athletically and physically limited while also having a less than optimal shooting mechanics to base his game as a shooter and become something more than a good starter.

Steve Nash is kind of the complete opposite spectrum when it comes to PG play. Steve Nash super smart with the ball, had basically a 3:1 assist/TO ratio his entire prime, his shot selection was as elite as it came which led to his multiple 50/40/90 seasons. Young is a chucker that has a horrific assist/TO ratio. Theyre two completely different players. And if you want Young to become like Nash, then all of the things that have built his hype the 1st half of the year, basically meant nothing because he would be a completely different player. This is why the Tyus Jones comparisons dont make sense either because Tyus was a super composed PG that didnt make mistakes and was phenomenal at running an offense without making mistakes and without having to be a big time scorer to make an impact. Again 2 completely different players, just similar size and athleticism.

[Duke4life831]

Isn't that part of Trae's game though? To be a danger wherever in the court ( even 3 feet away from the 3pt line). I mean that's why he has the chance to drive seeing as his defender will follow him that far. If he's not a danger to chuck away then that would be a less effective Trae IMO.

You can shoot a lot and still do it in a system. Rookies almost never get that green light, but that doesn't mean the team isn't planning to eventually give him that green light.

But even him not as a rookie, is he the player you want to hand your keys of your offense over and give him the ultimate green light at some point in his career? Cause again you take away his gunner mentality, youre taking away basically the main reason people even consider him a lottery pick.

Ive always felt if you take Young in the top 10, you gotta hand the keys over to him and really hope he becomes Curry 2.0. If not he is just another small guard that is a high volume scorer that has a poor assist/TO ratio. Thats really not all that hard to find in todays game. The G League is littered with small guards that are gunners.

[RookieStar]

Isn't that part of Trae's game though? To be a danger wherever in the court ( even 3 feet away from the 3pt line). I mean that's why he has the chance to drive seeing as his defender will follow him that far. If he's not a danger to chuck away then that would be a less effective Trae IMO.

He'll need to be 4 ft away just to get his shot off. And you're right, strip away the shooting n he's mid first rounder.

Sexton is a better pro prospect than Young.

Sexton = Pat Beverly.
Young = Tyus Jones with a better shot n slightly better passing, but poorer decision making.

This is just my opinion BUT in today's NBA you NEED to be a legit 3pt threat if you are a PG.. even a backup PG. I'm not saying Sexton sucks at it or he won't develop it in the future, but is he a legit 3pt threat now?

[Alatan]

I think he will be a Steve Nash light edition in the NBA. He is too skilled to bust but he is athletically and physically limited while also having a less than optimal shooting mechanics to base his game as a shooter and become something more than a good starter.

Steve Nash is kind of the complete opposite spectrum when it comes to PG play. Steve Nash super smart with the ball, had basically a 3:1 assist/TO ratio his entire prime, his shot selection was as elite as it came which led to his multiple 50/40/90 seasons. Young is a chucker that has a horrific assist/TO ratio. Theyre two completely different players. And if you want Young to become like Nash, then all of the things that have built his hype the 1st half of the year, basically meant nothing because he would be a completely different player. This is why the Tyus Jones comparisons dont make sense either because Tyus was a super composed PG that didnt make mistakes and was phenomenal at running an offense without making mistakes and without having to be a big time scorer to make an impact. Again 2 completely different players, just similar size and athleticism.

I think he has the awareness, passing ability, instincts and skills to be a Nash type player. He has a horrible shot selection now because he tries to be something he is not and that is a scorer. Once he hits the NBA and sees how limited he is as a scorer he will turn more towards facilitating and only use his shooting touch and penetrating ability to create space and opportunities for his teammates. People are too consumed with what the players are in college but college is a different game and you can only see the skills a player has and project to what will that amount in NBA.

[RookieStar]

Isn't that part of Trae's game though? To be a danger wherever in the court ( even 3 feet away from the 3pt line). I mean that's why he has the chance to drive seeing as his defender will follow him that far. If he's not a danger to chuck away then that would be a less effective Trae IMO.

You can shoot a lot and still do it in a system. Rookies almost never get that green light, but that doesn't mean the team isn't planning to eventually give him that green light.

Maybe... but Trae does not shoot in a system unless that system is like his team now here he gets the green light to chuck half-court shots if he wants to. That's why to the few games I watched his team play, I see him chcuk ill-advised shots. However, that is his game and what makes him Trae Young. You live or die with him.

[Duke4life831]

I think he will be a Steve Nash light edition in the NBA. He is too skilled to bust but he is athletically and physically limited while also having a less than optimal shooting mechanics to base his game as a shooter and become something more than a good starter.

Steve Nash is kind of the complete opposite spectrum when it comes to PG play. Steve Nash super smart with the ball, had basically a 3:1 assist/TO ratio his entire prime, his shot selection was as elite as it came which led to his multiple 50/40/90 seasons. Young is a chucker that has a horrific assist/TO ratio. Theyre two completely different players. And if you want Young to become like Nash, then all of the things that have built his hype the 1st half of the year, basically meant nothing because he would be a completely different player. This is why the Tyus Jones comparisons dont make sense either because Tyus was a super composed PG that didnt make mistakes and was phenomenal at running an offense without making mistakes and without having to be a big time scorer to make an impact. Again 2 completely different players, just similar size and athleticism.

I think he has the awareness, passing ability, instincts and skills to be a Nash type player. He has a horrible shot selection now because he tries to be something he is not and that is a scorer. Once he hits the NBA and sees how limited he is as a scorer he will turn more towards facilitating and only use his shooting touch and penetrating ability to create space and opportunities for his teammates. People are too consumed with what the players are in college but college is a different game and you can only see the skills a player has and project to what will that amount in NBA.

This is not just how he has played in college, he has always played like this. All Im saying is youre basically would be drafting blind and what I mean by that is youre drafting a player you havent seen. We are talking about a player that leads the nation in FGAs a game and leads the nation in TOs. That is almost the complete opposite of a Steve Nash type player. So youre basically drafting him high in the draft with hopes of him being the complete opposite of what he has shown all throughout high school, internationally and in college. To me that is even a bigger risk than drafting him hoping he can duplicate his style from college.

I get college and the NBA are 2 different things, but you can usually see a player's playing style. Its not too often you see a player go from one extreme end of the spectrum to the opposite extreme end of the spectrum on playing style going from college to the NBA.

[Alatan]

Steve Nash is kind of the complete opposite spectrum when it comes to PG play. Steve Nash super smart with the ball, had basically a 3:1 assist/TO ratio his entire prime, his shot selection was as elite as it came which led to his multiple 50/40/90 seasons. Young is a chucker that has a horrific assist/TO ratio. Theyre two completely different players. And if you want Young to become like Nash, then all of the things that have built his hype the 1st half of the year, basically meant nothing because he would be a completely different player. This is why the Tyus Jones comparisons dont make sense either because Tyus was a super composed PG that didnt make mistakes and was phenomenal at running an offense without making mistakes and without having to be a big time scorer to make an impact. Again 2 completely different players, just similar size and athleticism.

I think he has the awareness, passing ability, instincts and skills to be a Nash type player. He has a horrible shot selection now because he tries to be something he is not and that is a scorer. Once he hits the NBA and sees how limited he is as a scorer he will turn more towards facilitating and only use his shooting touch and penetrating ability to create space and opportunities for his teammates. People are too consumed with what the players are in college but college is a different game and you can only see the skills a player has and project to what will that amount in NBA.

This is not just how he has played in college, he has always played like this. All Im saying is youre basically would be drafting blind and what I mean by that is youre drafting a player you havent seen. We are talking about a player that leads the nation in FGAs a game and leads the nation in TOs. That is almost the complete opposite of a Steve Nash type player. So youre basically drafting him high in the draft with hopes of him being the complete opposite of what he has shown all throughout high school, internationally and in college. To me that is even a bigger risk than drafting him hoping he can duplicate his style from college.

I get college and the NBA are 2 different things, but you can usually see a player's playing style. Its not too often you see a player go from one extreme end of the spectrum to the opposite extreme end of the spectrum on playing style going from college to the NBA.

I get what you are saying but i dont think it will be a major adjustment for him as he plays on. He will still be ball dominant and will still try to create 3s and penetrate. The difference is that he will not be able to create enough separation and he will not be able to finish efficiently but will instead of the basket look for open teammates. He is a good enough shooter to be a threat and spread the floor and he is good enough at penetrating to force rotations but i seriously doubt that he is good enough to capitalize on those skills and be a scorer. Since he has the vision and creativity i think he will be able to rework parts of his game and become a great facilitator. How good will he be at this i dont know.

[Duke4life831]

I think he has the awareness, passing ability, instincts and skills to be a Nash type player. He has a horrible shot selection now because he tries to be something he is not and that is a scorer. Once he hits the NBA and sees how limited he is as a scorer he will turn more towards facilitating and only use his shooting touch and penetrating ability to create space and opportunities for his teammates. People are too consumed with what the players are in college but college is a different game and you can only see the skills a player has and project to what will that amount in NBA.

This is not just how he has played in college, he has always played like this. All Im saying is youre basically would be drafting blind and what I mean by that is youre drafting a player you havent seen. We are talking about a player that leads the nation in FGAs a game and leads the nation in TOs. That is almost the complete opposite of a Steve Nash type player. So youre basically drafting him high in the draft with hopes of him being the complete opposite of what he has shown all throughout high school, internationally and in college. To me that is even a bigger risk than drafting him hoping he can duplicate his style from college.

I get college and the NBA are 2 different things, but you can usually see a player's playing style. Its not too often you see a player go from one extreme end of the spectrum to the opposite extreme end of the spectrum on playing style going from college to the NBA.

I get what you are saying but i dont think it will be a major adjustment for him as he plays on. He will still be ball dominant and will still try to create 3s and penetrate. The difference is that he will not be able to create enough separation and he will not be able to finish efficiently but will instead of the basket look for open teammates. He is a good enough shooter to be a threat and spread the floor and he is good enough at penetrating to force rotations but i seriously doubt that he is good enough to capitalize on those skills and be a scorer. Since he has the vision and creativity i think he will be able to rework parts of his game and become a great facilitator. How good will he be at this i dont know.

I just think this is where you and I differ. I think it would be one of the biggest adjustments I can recall from a lottery prospect. To me its just going from the complete opposite of the spectrum. And I think he has good vision and is a good passer, but his lack of defense, finishing ability, scoring inside the arc and I think his low shooting form is going to be tough for him to get clean looks as well. I personally think hes going to struggle. I think the only way he is worth a lotto pick is if he can somehow come close to replicating his style from college. I think hes going to have to have the freedom to jack up super deep 3s, so he can get defenders to guard him that far out which will give him a better chance at attacking the basket and finding passing lanes.

I think if you try to tame the way he plays, in my opinion he becomes a worse version of a Tyus Jones. A guy like Tyus has been playing that mature facilitator style his entire life. If Tyus Jones can ever become a 38-40% 3pt shooter, Im not sure what would make Young a better prospect at that same style. Tyus already doesnt make bad basses and has an extremely smart shot selection.

[SlowPaced]

Ive always felt if you take Young in the top 10, you gotta hand the keys over to him and really hope he becomes Curry 2.0. If not he is just another small guard that is a high volume scorer that has a poor assist/TO ratio. Thats really not all that hard to find in todays game. The G League is littered with small guards that are gunners.

Isn't that exactly what I said though? A team that's desperate for an offensive leader will get him. But there's a difference between leading an offense with high volume and just chucking everything.

[kb02]

I think he will be a Steve Nash light edition in the NBA. He is too skilled to bust but he is athletically and physically limited while also having a less than optimal shooting mechanics to base his game as a shooter and become something more than a good starter.

Steve Nash is kind of the complete opposite spectrum when it comes to PG play. Steve Nash super smart with the ball, had basically a 3:1 assist/TO ratio his entire prime, his shot selection was as elite as it came which led to his multiple 50/40/90 seasons. Young is a chucker that has a horrific assist/TO ratio. Theyre two completely different players. And if you want Young to become like Nash, then all of the things that have built his hype the 1st half of the year, basically meant nothing because he would be a completely different player. This is why the Tyus Jones comparisons dont make sense either because Tyus was a super composed PG that didnt make mistakes and was phenomenal at running an offense without making mistakes and without having to be a big time scorer to make an impact. Again 2 completely different players, just similar size and athleticism.

My Tyus Jones comps are based on his athleticism, skill level, n size. IMO, in order for Young to be a legit pro, he's going to have to reign in his game. Like Skip to My Lou n Jason Williams. Once he shaves off the crazy 3 pointers n the volume shooting, he ends playing like Jones with a better shot n facilitation.

[kb02]

Isn't that part of Trae's game though? To be a danger wherever in the court ( even 3 feet away from the 3pt line). I mean that's why he has the chance to drive seeing as his defender will follow him that far. If he's not a danger to chuck away then that would be a less effective Trae IMO.

He'll need to be 4 ft away just to get his shot off. And you're right, strip away the shooting n he's mid first rounder.

Sexton is a better pro prospect than Young.

Sexton = Pat Beverly.
Young = Tyus Jones with a better shot n slightly better passing, but poorer decision making.

This is just my opinion BUT in today's NBA you NEED to be a legit 3pt threat if you are a PG.. even a backup PG. I'm not saying Sexton sucks at it or he won't develop it in the future, but is he a legit 3pt threat now?

Shooting is the most overrated skill for a college player. Skill n repetition often turns bad shooters into decent NBA shooters.