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Post#781 » by getrichordie » Sat May 16, 2020 2:44 pm

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King Ken wrote:Polish. Needs time to develop.


Agreed. But if he's having this kind of impact already (better than every PG but Haliburton), imagine what he looks like when he is a finished product.


Ehh, I think better than every PG but Haliburton is a stretch. Winston/Pritchard/Flynn were all having great seasons.


I meant from a statistical standpoint. My memory did not serve me correct. Flynn had a bigger impact. I don't consider Pritchard a legitimate prospect. He might get picked up as an UDFA. Winston did have a good year as well. Forgot about him. But Ayayi's impact at this point versus all 3 of those guys at same point in career is just better.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft II 

Post#782 » by King Ken » Sat May 16, 2020 4:46 pm

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Agreed. But if he's having this kind of impact already (better than every PG but Haliburton), imagine what he looks like when he is a finished product.


Ehh, I think better than every PG but Haliburton is a stretch. Winston/Pritchard/Flynn were all having great seasons.


I meant from a statistical standpoint. My memory did not serve me correct. Flynn had a bigger impact. I don't consider Pritchard a legitimate prospect. He might get picked up as an UDFA. Winston did have a good year as well. Forgot about him. But Ayayi's impact at this point versus all 3 of those guys at same point in career is just better.

Explain that take on Pritchard?
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Post#783 » by getrichordie » Sat May 16, 2020 4:51 pm

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Ehh, I think better than every PG but Haliburton is a stretch. Winston/Pritchard/Flynn were all having great seasons.


I meant from a statistical standpoint. My memory did not serve me correct. Flynn had a bigger impact. I don't consider Pritchard a legitimate prospect. He might get picked up as an UDFA. Winston did have a good year as well. Forgot about him. But Ayayi's impact at this point versus all 3 of those guys at same point in career is just better.

Explain that take on Pritchard?


He's going to be 23 soon and doesn't have great measurables. Good college kid. Doesn't project to be good in NBA due to average athleticism.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft II 

Post#784 » by clyde21 » Sat May 16, 2020 5:20 pm

Ayayi is most likely returning anyways
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Post#785 » by King Ken » Sat May 16, 2020 6:21 pm

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I meant from a statistical standpoint. My memory did not serve me correct. Flynn had a bigger impact. I don't consider Pritchard a legitimate prospect. He might get picked up as an UDFA. Winston did have a good year as well. Forgot about him. But Ayayi's impact at this point versus all 3 of those guys at same point in career is just better.

Explain that take on Pritchard?


He's going to be 23 soon and doesn't have great measurables. Good college kid. Doesn't project to be good in NBA due to average athleticism.

You can a good NBA player even if you are best as a backup PG. See Jalen Brunson
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Post#786 » by getrichordie » Sat May 16, 2020 6:45 pm

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King Ken wrote:Explain that take on Pritchard?


He's going to be 23 soon and doesn't have great measurables. Good college kid. Doesn't project to be good in NBA due to average athleticism.

You can a good NBA player even if you are best as a backup PG. See Jalen Brunson


Agreed. Just feel like he won’t cut it even as a back up.
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Post#787 » by getrichordie » Sat May 16, 2020 6:46 pm

clyde21 wrote:Ayayi is most likely returning anyways


What a shame if that happens. I mean, it’s probably best for his development, but I feel this is draft will be better than next draft for him. There’s a lot of really good players coming out next year. There’s at least a case to be made that he’s a FRP this year. I don’t think so for next year.
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Post#788 » by No-Man » Sun May 17, 2020 10:39 am

Ayayi is coming back to Gonzaga almost 100%

I think he is interesting, esp cause you can stash him and keep the value long-term somewhat, but I don't buy him getting stronger and he has very limited pop around the rim, obv not a PG
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Post#789 » by CelticsPride18 » Sun May 17, 2020 3:00 pm

What’s the consensus on Jalen Smith??
He has good offensive tools but I worry about his ability to defend in space.
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Post#790 » by CoreyVillains » Sun May 17, 2020 3:01 pm

Just dropped on my YouTube: Full 12 minute RJ Hampton scouting breakdown.

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Post#791 » by Stillwater » Sun May 17, 2020 7:25 pm

CelticsPride18 wrote:What’s the consensus on Jalen Smith??
He has good offensive tools but I worry about his ability to defend in space.

I think his defense is severely underrated going forward, the lateral speed looks lacking because the movements are "knee jerk" usually but still has plenty to add to his game from an awareness anticipation level to help stop those hesitations on both sides of the ball
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Post#792 » by getrichordie » Sun May 17, 2020 7:41 pm

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CelticsPride18 wrote:What’s the consensus on Jalen Smith??
He has good offensive tools but I worry about his ability to defend in space.

I think his defense is severely underrated going forward, the lateral speed looks lacking because the movements are "knee jerk" usually but still has plenty to add to his game from an awareness anticipation level to help stop those hesitations on both sides of the ball
and only just turned 20 in March .


My issue with Smith is he is a tweener. That may not be an issue long-term since the league is trending smaller, but he's going to struggle against bigger players. He's only 6'10 with a 7'1 wingspan and he has good post defense but he is still undersized. Defensively, he is comparable to Okongwu w/o the perimeter defense potential. Offensively, he could potentially be a stretch 5. Don't see him as a 4.

Start watching at the 45:00 mark. Painfully slow out at perimeter.

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Post#793 » by big-shot-ROB » Sun May 17, 2020 8:58 pm

You are not undersized at 6'10. You may be short with a 7'1 wingspan but you are clearly not undersized.
Robert Horry is better than MJ, because everybody knows that 7>6.
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Post#794 » by CelticsPride18 » Sun May 17, 2020 9:12 pm

getrichordie wrote:
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CelticsPride18 wrote:What’s the consensus on Jalen Smith??
He has good offensive tools but I worry about his ability to defend in space.

I think his defense is severely underrated going forward, the lateral speed looks lacking because the movements are "knee jerk" usually but still has plenty to add to his game from an awareness anticipation level to help stop those hesitations on both sides of the ball
and only just turned 20 in March .


My issue with Smith is he is a tweener. That may not be an issue long-term since the league is trending smaller, but he's going to struggle against bigger players. He's only 6'10 with a 7'1 wingspan and he has good post defense but he is still undersized. Defensively, he is comparable to Okongwu w/o the perimeter defense potential. Offensively, he could potentially be a stretch 5. Don't see him as a 4.

Start watching at the 45:00 mark. Painfully slow out at perimeter.

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If he can’t defend the PnR he cannot be a 5 in the NBA.
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Post#795 » by big-shot-ROB » Sun May 17, 2020 9:13 pm

I don't get why Mario Nakic is not getting 2nd round looks.
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Post#796 » by getrichordie » Sun May 17, 2020 9:27 pm

big-shot-ROB wrote:You are not undersized at 6'10. You may be short with a 7'1 wingspan but you are clearly not undersized.


He's 210.
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Post#797 » by Stillwater » Sun May 17, 2020 10:34 pm

CelticsPride18 wrote:
getrichordie wrote:
Stillwater wrote:I think his defense is severely underrated going forward, the lateral speed looks lacking because the movements are "knee jerk" usually but still has plenty to add to his game from an awareness anticipation level to help stop those hesitations on both sides of the ball
and only just turned 20 in March .


My issue with Smith is he is a tweener. That may not be an issue long-term since the league is trending smaller, but he's going to struggle against bigger players. He's only 6'10 with a 7'1 wingspan and he has good post defense but he is still undersized. Defensively, he is comparable to Okongwu w/o the perimeter defense potential. Offensively, he could potentially be a stretch 5. Don't see him as a 4.

Start watching at the 45:00 mark. Painfully slow out at perimeter.

;t=2695s


If he can’t defend the PnR he cannot be a 5 in the NBA.


He is a night and day defender right now imo. everything inside recovery timing and rim protection with explosive leaping and solid footwork better standing reach than wingspan... but is a bad defender against midrange still needing a lot of coaching up to get his IQ where it needs to be to fill that role. Hence the reason he is projected mid to lat first. The payoff however could prove worth it late lottery given he is only 20 has a solid offensive arsenol inside and outside assuming you trust he will continue to work despite having a raw level of defense outside the paint.
None of that however is Physical or a limitation that cannot be overcome with coaching and reps.
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Post#798 » by God Squad » Mon May 18, 2020 7:16 am

Jalen Smiths ceiling imo is current Ibaka? Which I think is amazing value late first. TBH kinda hoping the Raptors take a chance.
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Post#799 » by getrichordie » Mon May 18, 2020 9:48 am

Mason Jones



@1:45 -- uses his left hand to get by Okoro on baseline, ball fakes Okoro and Wiley, finishes.
@0:15 -- hits deep, slightly contested 3
@0:25 -- showing off his step back here (not bad)
@0:35 -- pushes ball in transition and finishes with off-hand with defender on hip and big trailing
@0:50 -- shows off the nice kobe-esque turnaround fadeaway J

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@0:40 thru @1:00 -- jones just drilling 3s from deep
@1:25 thru @1:35 -- jones showing off his nasty step back for a 3 yet again, this time to the left... harden-esque
@1:37 -- punishes defender playing up, drives to his right, keeping defender on hip and finishes at rim
@1:48 -- punishes same defender playing up, drives left this time and finishes with textbook layup
@2:08 -- reads pass from mile away and jumps the lane and snatches ball from bigs hands for the pick 2
@2:18 -- drives baseline on defender who has head-start, uses rim for protection, finishes with left hand
@2:25 -- down 2 w/ ~4s left in OT, hits the tough step back DEEP contested 3 off the glass to beat GA Tech. did he call glass though?
@5:52 -- uses fancy step-back footwork to create a ton of separation to hit the J... harden-esque
@6:50 -- pushes ball in transition and uses nice gather footwork, keeps ball high, to avoid defense and finish
@7:31 -- w/ Pons guarding, drives into paint, gets cut off, but uses footwork and craftiness to get by and finish
@7:51 -- guarded by Pons again, utilizes step back to create separation and hit the 3

key stats thru 31 games as junior:

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31+ USG%
75% around the rim on 128 attempts
66.8 FTr
83% FT shooter
35% on 194 3PAs (degree of difficulty = high)
23 AST% (1.1 A/TO ratio)
only 1 dunk
2.7 STL%
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Post#800 » by CelticsPride18 » Mon May 18, 2020 12:58 pm

God Squad wrote:Jalen Smiths ceiling imo is current Ibaka? Which I think is amazing value late first. TBH kinda hoping the Raptors take a chance.


Ibaka is a better athlete than Smith but I think Smith can be a better shooter.

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