Bismack Biyombo

Casperkid23 · Post #81 » by **Casperkid23** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:16 pm

sisibilio wrote:
Casperkid23 wrote:Totally agree.

I would argue that virtually nobody here has seen him play outside of a few sketchy youtube videos of game film and the practice videos put up two days ago. Yet he already has a bandwagon and people are foaming at the mouth.

I'd at least wait until the game tonight to profess your love and adoration. Right now, I basically only view him as a guy with insane measurements. The fact that some people (without scout access) have him in the mid-lotto of a mock draft... well that's embarrassing.

He was almost a complete unknown even in Spain a few months ago but he's been playing in the ACB since then, that should give you more information that whatever he does tonight.
You can download 5 of his games here if you're interested, from the "jornada 16" onwards.

Thanks for the link to watch those games.

I know some RealGM posters are able to watch ACB/Euroleague games with regularity, but the ones I was focusing on with my statement do not... they were just ranking him based on his hype and 2nd- or 3rd-hand info.

jhern87 · Post #82 » by **jhern87** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:11 pm

I got a call last minute from a buddy to go to this game. I didn't have any plans and I also know some people at the RG so I was able to get us bumped up to a suite so I figured it would be worth it for the free food. Going into the game all I really knew was Austin Rivers, Kyle Wiltjer (Portland kid) and a few of the other Kentucky recruits. By the end of the night it was clear who the best player on the floor was, it was Biyombo.

His first bucket (if I recall right) was a beastly put back dunk on about 3 defenders. The dude has an NBA players body RIGHT now. His arms are extremely long too (7'7 wingspan per SI) and he seems to have very good body control. Speaking of his first dunk, here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHmEkZ9ER0o

Throughout the game you saw a lot of the US guys doing some pretty flashy dunks, but not when Biyombo was in the game. Anything that was brought in the lane was usually tossed right back out. Towards the end of the game, one of the US player drove in hard attempting to draw a foul (it appeared), he jumped into Biyombo but he just draped his arms over the top of him, recording his 10th block.

One NBA exec said "he's Ben Wallace basically" and he's right. The way he dominated that game last night was a true spectacle, recording the first triple double in summit history (which has hosted NBA ALL Star talent in previous years). What really stood out to me was how defensive minded he was but if he got the ball down low could elevate over anybody. honestly, I will be completely dumbfounded if this guy slips out of the top 10. Sure am glad I took my buddy up on the free ticket.

Dr Positivity · Post #83 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:20 pm

droponov wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:I don't need to watch players to have opinions.

What?

Your opinions on some of these guys show there's something you arent' doing right.

I mean, how are you going to know about Biyombo's feel for the game and fluidity without watching him?

Well, I'm not going to. I'm not a Biyombo expert and don't feel too strongly about ranking him one way or the other, I'll freely admit that. After last night and the above post I'm starting to buy into the Ibaka hype but he's a guy that scouts are going to have more information on than me for obvious reasons

But the way these things work (raw big men), as soon as everyone agrees the guy is a top 14 caliber prospect, he's probably going even higher. Some team is going to go '7'7 wingspan athletic IBAKA 2 BABY!' and take him top 8. I wouldn't want to be a fan of that team just out of fear, but I'd rather take the chance on Biyombo than Valanciunas

EvanZ · Post #84 » by **EvanZ** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:21 pm

Thanks for the recap. As I said earlier, I'm a Warriors fan, and it looks like we're drafting 11. I'm praying that he lasts that long. I would love to see Udoh and Biyombo in the frontcourt together at some point down the road.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #85 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:23 pm

The next Ben Wallace? Joe Dumars has found Ben Wallace's successor.

PaKwAn · Post #86 » by **PaKwAn** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:29 pm

is he entering this years draft or next?

EvanZ · Post #87 » by **EvanZ** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:54 pm

PaKwAn wrote:is he entering this years draft or next?

It's not official, but consensus opinion appears to be this year.

hype_2004 · Post #88 » by **hype_2004** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:20 pm

Draft Master J wrote:
DeBlazerRiddem wrote:
Wing Span: 7'7"
Standing Reach: 9'3"

Holy **** . This guy is going to be a blocking monster.

Yep. If that 7'7" wingspan is legitimate, then he's a bona fide freak of nature. There are only four players in D.X.'s measurement database with a larger wingspan, and they're all seven-footers (in shoes). Elton Brand's measurements were fairly similar; 6'8.25" (barefoot), 7'5.5" wingspan, 9'2" standing-reach.

He'll probably measure shorter than expected, again this is not official and in Europe measurements tend to be exaggerated quite often. Either way I expect this kid to measure close to Elton Brand as they have a similar bodytype.

EddieJonesFan · Post #89 » by **EddieJonesFan** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:46 pm

those are his nike hoop summit measurements.

sergiio_88 · Post #90 » by **sergiio_88** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:59 pm

hype_2004 wrote:
Draft Master J wrote:

Yep. If that 7'7" wingspan is legitimate, then he's a bona fide freak of nature. There are only four players in D.X.'s measurement database with a larger wingspan, and they're all seven-footers (in shoes). Elton Brand's measurements were fairly similar; 6'8.25" (barefoot), 7'5.5" wingspan, 9'2" standing-reach.

He'll probably measure shorter than expected, again this is not official and in Europe measurements tend to be exaggerated quite often. Either way I expect this kid to measure close to Elton Brand as they have a similar bodytype.

Really?

In Europe says the opposite... American measurements tend to be exaggerated, and sometimes very exaggerated.

Grits n Gravy · Post #91 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:47 pm

hype_2004 wrote:
Draft Master J wrote:
DeBlazerRiddem wrote:Wing Span: 7'7"
Standing Reach: 9'3"

Holy **** . This guy is going to be a blocking monster.

Yep. If that 7'7" wingspan is legitimate, then he's a bona fide freak of nature. There are only four players in D.X.'s measurement database with a larger wingspan, and they're all seven-footers (in shoes). Elton Brand's measurements were fairly similar; 6'8.25" (barefoot), 7'5.5" wingspan, 9'2" standing-reach.

He'll probably measure shorter than expected, again this is not official and in Europe measurements tend to be exaggerated quite often. Either way I expect this kid to measure close to Elton Brand as they have a similar bodytype.[/quote]

yes sir, these are not european measurements, they were the official measurements taken in portland for the hoop summit

Post #92 » by **UGA Hayes** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:36 pm

damn it, i completely forgot about the game. anyone know if there will be a replay?

BROWN · Post #93 » by **BROWN** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:53 pm

Watched the game last night,and I'm board of having Biyombo as the Warriors pick at 10/11/12 if he drops that far. He went from being a second round pick, to mid first round, and now to the lotto. He has an incredible feel defensively, after he jumps, he can really get back up quick once he lands, which in fact is a great asset for a defender. He was owning the paint last night, as far as no one entering it and getting no easy shots. That's what you want from a defensive minded center, and teams that are willing to be patient with him, can really get a special player.

Johnny Firpo · Post #94 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:31 am

I watched his interview, he has a very young face, he's no more than 19-20 at worst, but wouldn't be surprised if he's really 18.

Post #95 » by **UGA Hayes** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:46 am

The cutoff for me in this setting would be 20. Any older than that would be an important advantage and would lessen a good performance in my eyes. His offense looks super raw to the point that he looks like he might never be even an just below average player outside of putbacks. One of the reasons why you really hope he is 18-19.

Point-God · Post #96 » by **Point-God** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:13 pm

The positive is that he isn't looked upon as an offensive prospect. His age would mean much more when attempting to project how much better he could become as an offensive threat. But since he is a defensive hustle guy, it matters less because you are looking at him getting maybe 8-14 ppg instead of potentially 18-24 ppg. He will rebound, run the floor, block shots, and finish easy dunks around the basket in the NBA. Maybe he can become Ben Wallace.

Dr Positivity · Post #97 » by **Dr Positivity** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:03 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:Well, I'm not going to. I'm not a Biyombo expert and don't feel too strongly about ranking him one way or the other, I'll freely admit that. After last night and the above post I'm starting to buy into the Ibaka hype but he's a guy that scouts are going to have more information on than me for obvious reasons

But the way these things work (raw big men), as soon as everyone agrees the guy is a top 14 caliber prospect, he's probably going even higher. Some team is going to go '7'7 wingspan athletic IBAKA 2 BABY!' and take him top 8. I wouldn't want to be a fan of that team just out of fear, but I'd rather take the chance on Biyombo than Valanciunas

And what do you know, Biyombo's now #8 on DX's mock and ahead of Kanter. Fits so much with draft history. The Favors types will always go over the Monroe types.

I don't know if he's done. Top 5 is in play. Sacramento's a fit. Minnesota's a fit.

He might even deserve to be this high. But just to give an idea of how wild this jump has been, look at this: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bis ... t-history/ He pulled a Derrick Williams... in one week. Also, DX didn't even have an entry on him until April 4th and still don't have a real scouting report

Jazzfan12 · Post #98 » by **Jazzfan12** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:12 pm

Enes Kanter has knee issues, below average athleticism, and has played extremely limited basketball in the last 2.5 years. You can go either way for Biyombo or Kanter because neither is that spectacular of a prospect at all and both have their entire draft stock based on the Nike Hoops Summit week.

EvanZ · Post #99 » by **EvanZ** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:14 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:
And what do you know, Biyombo's now #8 on DX's mock and ahead of Kanter. Fits so much with draft history. The Favors types will always go over the Monroe types.

I don't know if he's done. Top 5 is in play. Sacramento's a fit. Minnesota's a fit.

He might even deserve to be this high. But just to give an idea of how wild this jump has been, look at this: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bis ... t-history/ He pulled a Derrick Williams... in one week. Also, DX didn't even have an entry on him until April 4th and still don't have a real scouting report

Daaaaammmmmmmnnnnnnn! Warriors fans are cursed.

EvanZ · Post #100 » by **EvanZ** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:15 pm

Jazzfan12 wrote:Enes Kanter has knee issues, below average athleticism, and has played extremely limited basketball in the last 2.5 years. You can go either way for Biyombo or Kanter because neither is that spectacular of a prospect at all and both have their entire draft stock based on the Nike Hoops Summit week.

Biyombo's stock was skyrocketing before the Nike game. That's why he was invited in the first place.