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Post#81 » by Johnlac1 » Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:54 am

arambone wrote:Last night at halftime Wally Z himself said that Doug already has much better post skills than Wally EVER had in the NBA. Wally compared Doug's post skills to Kevin McHale. While that might be an exaggeration, Doug should be effective posting up most every small forward in the league, and run most 4s ragged before sealing them and catching passes for layups. Not bad for a superior spot up shooter with passable defense at two positions.

While I don't think he'll ever be a star, McDermott's ability to play inside and outside effectively will make him valuable to the right teams. Obviously, he's going to have to guard somebody, and that will be his drawback. I believe they may try having him guard fours more than threes.
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Re: Doug McDermott 

Post#82 » by MalonesElbows » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:00 pm

arambone wrote:Last night at halftime Wally Z himself said that Doug already has much better post skills than Wally EVER had in the NBA. Wally compared Doug's post skills to Kevin McHale. While that might be an exaggeration, Doug should be effective posting up most every small forward in the league, and run most 4s ragged before sealing them and catching passes for layups. Not bad for a superior spot up shooter with passable defense at two positions.


It will all be taken away, the NBA is terribly unforgiving. He won't even be able to post up SFs in the NBA. He is 220 pounds and alligator armed.
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Re: Doug McDermott 

Post#83 » by ManualRam » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:06 pm

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arambone wrote:Last night at halftime Wally Z himself said that Doug already has much better post skills than Wally EVER had in the NBA. Wally compared Doug's post skills to Kevin McHale. While that might be an exaggeration, Doug should be effective posting up most every small forward in the league, and run most 4s ragged before sealing them and catching passes for layups. Not bad for a superior spot up shooter with passable defense at two positions.


It will all be taken away, the NBA is terribly unforgiving. He won't even be able to post up SFs in the NBA. He is 220 pounds and alligator armed.

i doubt that. not with his footwork, fakes, variety of shots and quick release ability.
he's not 220 either. he's strong, posts hard and seals hard.
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Post#84 » by 8305 » Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:42 pm

I'm impressed by the variety of ways he scores. He's good without the ball, has excellent range with his shot and scores effectively in the post. If all of that translates to the NBA he could be a primary scorer similar to the way Detroit used Flip Hamilton in his prime.

He will need help defensively. So the question will be is he a good enough offensively to justify investing in complementary pieces that help to cover his defensive weaknesses. Take the Bobcats. MKG nice complimentary player for McD but Zeller and Jefferson, not so much. Put him on the Pelicans where you have a couple versatile defenders in Davis and Evans and he might really thrive.

But, if the only part of his game that translates his the 3 point shot or he goes to a team that only wants to feature that part of his game and you looking at a best case of Dunleavy or Korver. And, maybe not even that good.
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Re: Doug McDermott 

Post#85 » by ManualRam » Sun Feb 16, 2014 3:19 pm

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But, if the only part of his game that translates his the 3 point shot or he goes to a team that only wants to feature that part of his game and you looking at a best case of Dunleavy or Korver. And, maybe not even that good.


i agree with this. he has a quick release on his jumper, but he doesn't shoot on the move like those guys, at least he isn't used as such. if the team that drafts him has an unimaginative, stagnant offensive with a lot of isos, or if they do a lot of standing around with 1 player doing the scoring and playmaking, then they took the wrong player. drafting him only for his shooting ability would be a waste.
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Re: Doug McDermott 

Post#86 » by arambone » Sun Feb 16, 2014 6:37 pm

Creighton takes on #3 villanova today at 5. They will have to play near flawlessly, after a loss to st johns and a close win over butler. Wragge is going to have to hit his 3s.
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Post#87 » by UGA Hayes » Sun Feb 16, 2014 7:11 pm

I'm worried about the nonoffensive aspects more than anything. And dunleavy and korver were good players. Dunleavy had such a poor start in gs followed by injuries that it went other the radar that when healthy he was pretty good. Korver is just underrated period.
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Post#88 » by 8305 » Sun Feb 16, 2014 7:26 pm

I'll throw another name out there Dave DeBeusser. Totally different era. Begs the question has the game outgrown that skill set? The last unathletic big time scorers I can remember are Larry Bird and Chris Mullen. You are going back about twenty years to find those two examples. Is McD a test case to see if a tough, intangibles, very skilled guy can still be a number one scoring option?
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Re: Doug McDermott 

Post#89 » by ManualRam » Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:47 pm

arambone wrote:Creighton takes on #3 villanova today at 5. They will have to play near flawlessly, after a loss to st johns and a close win over butler. Wragge is going to have to hit his 3s.

i think doug's doing ok.
7-9, 18 points with ~6 minutes left in the first.
just flashed his one legged fade.
dude has so many different shots. at the college level you can't really face guard him or throw quick doubles at him because he can be used all over the floor in different situations and creighton has the requisite spacing to use him in those different spots.
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Post#90 » by rockmanslim » Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:58 pm

Watching the game, facially he looks like a combination of Luke Kuechly and Harrison Ford, though without their devastatingly good looks.
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Post#91 » by rockmanslim » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:25 am

Seemed like every time Doug McDIRKmott got the ball the defender was at his mercy. The ball was going in the bucket regardless.
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Re: Doug McDermott 

Post#92 » by No-Man » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:43 am

He is unguardable.
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Post#93 » by Johnlac1 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:55 am

8305 wrote:I'll throw another name out there Dave DeBeusser. Totally different era. Begs the question has the game outgrown that skill set? The last unathletic big time scorers I can remember are Larry Bird and Chris Mullen. You are going back about twenty years to find those two examples. Is McD a test case to see if a tough, intangibles, very skilled guy can still be a number one scoring option?

DeBusschere was a better athlete than McDermott, but not as skilled. However, DeBusschere could play sf today and guard them. He was a good leaper, good speed and strength, and one of the few players from that era who regularly took and made long jump shots. In fact, I was watching a Knicks-Bucks game from 1970 on the internet, and was watching carefully to see where DeBusschere took some of his shots. A few he took (and made) were in legitimate 3 pt range. He came around a screen on one play, took a pass about 4-5 ft from the top of the key, and drilled it. I was surprised to see how long a shot he made.
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Re: Doug McDermott 

Post#94 » by Johnlac1 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:00 am

8305 wrote:I'll throw another name out there Dave DeBeusser. Totally different era. Begs the question has the game outgrown that skill set? The last unathletic big time scorers I can remember are Larry Bird and Chris Mullen. You are going back about twenty years to find those two examples. Is McD a test case to see if a tough, intangibles, very skilled guy can still be a number one scoring option?

Compared to Bird and Mullin, Bird was a little longer and quick enough to guard sfs. Mullin could guard sgs although obviously that was not his strongpoint.
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Re: Doug McDermott 

Post#95 » by ferk » Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:38 am

he sure would look good taking some mins from prince !
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Re: Doug McDermott 

Post#96 » by arambone » Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:20 am

I suppose he could have a Kevin Love level impact. All Star with poor defense.

I'm probably overstating his potential, but we're dealing with a special talent here. Stephen Curry was a special talent I overlooked somewhat. Damian Lillard, same thing.

Doug could play himself into the top 7 with a good tournament run.
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Post#97 » by Upperclass » Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:16 am

Reminds me of a 38 year old Carmelo
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Post#98 » by reignfire » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:52 pm

I like him a lot. Let's see what he does in the tourney.
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Post#99 » by 8305 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:49 pm

ferk wrote:he sure would look good taking some mins from prince !


Agree, I think Memphis would be a great destination for him. Its not a wild stretch to see Memphis give him the opportunity to be more than a spot up shooter. The rest of the team is pretty solid defensively individually and as a team. I'll be surprised if he's available when Memphis is drafting though.
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Re: Doug McDermott 

Post#100 » by Blast Tyrant » Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:51 pm

I don't think he can play SF in the NBA. I'd love to see him prove me wrong, but he just seems like an undersized, stretch 4.

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