Jaylen Brown

[GimmeDat]

Getting to the FT line 17 times in 28 mins was encouraging. Got a long way to go though.

[patman52]

Jaylen Brown's shortcoming are in some ways the same as James Young's.

Coincidentally both players measured 6' 5.25" at the combine without shoes, although Brown is much stronger.

The problems are:

Brown shoots free throws at 66%. He is inherently not that good a shooter. The same could be said for Young.

Brown's 3 point % of 29.4% is basically below the level of a player an NBA team would want to take 3's. And the NBA three point line is farther out than the college 3 point line.

Brown's rate of 5.4 rebounds in 27.6 minutes is good, but he averaged 3.2 fouls in those 27 minutes, which is not good. NBA players are much quicker than what Brown faced in college. And NBA players are a lot stronger as well.

So, basically, the Celtics just drafted a perimeter player without a reliable jump shot, hoping he develops one. Which was the same thing the Celtics said about Marcus Smart and to a lesser extent James Young, who was more of a scorer than an efficient shooter.

WIth a knock down shooter like Buddy Hield available, although I see the potential for Brown to be the better player, right now, Brown's not the one that you'd want taking the shot with a game on the line.

He's a much much better prospect than Young was. Brown much stronger and a much better athlete. Young was basically just an inefficient shooter. Young was also a bad defender, Brown was not a great defender in anyway but he was a solid college defender and has tremendous defensive potential with his seize and athleticism. Brown also has a much harder work ethic which was always a question mark for Young. Was surprised that Boston took Brown though, I had Brown as my 3rd best prospect but thought Boston was going to trade or at least get a player that might be able to help next year. Brown won't be able too

The celts are not about next year ('16-17) but beyond that.

[Coeur]

His highest ceiling is at sg

[rumdiary]

Perimeter player with a bad jumper, terrible court vision, a mediocre handle and overrated defense. How many of those guys every work out again?

100% bust.

I mostly disagree with you but here's some attempts to answer your over-confident question:

Rudy Gay
Jabari Parker
Tobias Harris
Luol Deng
Stanley Johnson

Not that it's going to change your mind.

These comparisons just show that you either don't know a thing about any of these guys at all (which is certainly not true), or are simply ignoring the facts so that you can convince yourself that Ainge didn't draft a bad player. Just a cursory glance would have told you that every one of these guys shot better from 3 and from the free throw line than Brown did, which already debunks these comparisons. Harris is the only one who could be said to be a poor shooter, but he was massively more skilled a scorer than Brown.

Rudy Gay is basically the only one of these guys who was even talked about in the same way as Brown is as a 'raw athlete' type, but he clearly was farther along as a shooter at the very least.

Think of some other 'raw athletic wings'. Joe Alexander, Luc Richard Mbah A Moute, Earl Clark, Christian Eyenga, Damion James, Chris Singleton, Alando Tucker and so on.

Whatever, I don't really care to engage with it enough to reply to your charming rant.

The intelligent thing to do would be to wait until the regular season and playoffs before launching into an overly confident but overly stupid conclusion.

One thing I can say for sure right now is that I am really excited to see Jaylen Brown play, I'll be checking in on him every single game this year.

[DrCoach]

I see why they dated him, looks like athletic Jimmy Butler

[GimmeDat]

I mostly disagree with you but here's some attempts to answer your over-confident question:

Rudy Gay
Jabari Parker
Tobias Harris
Luol Deng
Stanley Johnson

Not that it's going to change your mind.

These comparisons just show that you either don't know a thing about any of these guys at all (which is certainly not true), or are simply ignoring the facts so that you can convince yourself that Ainge didn't draft a bad player. Just a cursory glance would have told you that every one of these guys shot better from 3 and from the free throw line than Brown did, which already debunks these comparisons. Harris is the only one who could be said to be a poor shooter, but he was massively more skilled a scorer than Brown.

Rudy Gay is basically the only one of these guys who was even talked about in the same way as Brown is as a 'raw athlete' type, but he clearly was farther along as a shooter at the very least.

Think of some other 'raw athletic wings'. Joe Alexander, Luc Richard Mbah A Moute, Earl Clark, Christian Eyenga, Damion James, Chris Singleton, Alando Tucker and so on.

Whatever, I don't really care to engage with it enough to reply to your charming rant.

The intelligent thing to do would be to wait until the regular season and playoffs before launching into an overly confident but overly stupid conclusion.

One thing I can say for sure right now is that I am really excited to see Jaylen Brown play, I'll be checking in on him every single game this year.

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. I'm someone who subscribes to the fact that you never know if a guy will boom/bust pre draft, so much of it has to do with development, especially when you're talking about a 19 year old. Obviously, Brown has a really athletic base to work with.

However, it's also true that from a more analytical standpoint, there's not a great precedent for guys like this. He was not a good college player, and has a lot of work to do on his game.

[SelfishPlayer]

Perimeter player with a bad jumper, terrible court vision, a mediocre handle and overrated defense. How many of those guys every work out again?

100% bust.

I mostly disagree with you but here's some attempts to answer your over-confident question:

Rudy Gay
Jabari Parker
Tobias Harris
Luol Deng
Stanley Johnson

Not that it's going to change your mind.

These comparisons just show that you either don't know a thing about any of these guys at all (which is certainly not true), or are simply ignoring the facts so that you can convince yourself that Ainge didn't draft a bad player. Just a cursory glance would have told you that every one of these guys shot better from 3 and from the free throw line than Brown did, which already debunks these comparisons. Harris is the only one who could be said to be a poor shooter, but he was massively more skilled a scorer than Brown.

Rudy Gay is basically the only one of these guys who was even talked about in the same way as Brown is as a 'raw athlete' type, but he clearly was farther along as a shooter at the very least.

Think of some other 'raw athletic wings'. Joe Alexander, Luc Richard Mbah A Moute, Earl Clark, Christian Eyenga, Damion James, Chris Singleton, Alando Tucker and so on.

I said this in a post before the draft in a thread asking who BPA will be at #3

Jaylen Brown. He has the size, strength, length, explosiveness, and footwork to be a star perimeter player. Danny Granger? Josh Howard? Paul Pierce? Kawhi Leonard? Joe Johnson? Paul George? Caron Butler? Which one will he be? Remember, none of these guys were top 5 players in their respective drafts.

You can add Trevor Ariza, Jimmy Butler, and Demar Derozan to that list. All of these guys were knocked for not being perfect. How many wing prospects are? Jaylen Brown is a LOCK to be a legit NBA starter.

[KingKyrie1]

Lol at not picking Dunn

[Curmudgeon]

Lol at not picking Dunn

LOL at not picking Bender

[KingKyrie1]

Lol at not picking Dunn

LOL at not picking Bender

Lol at not picking anyone but Brown I guess?

[Curmudgeon]

Well you've got two choices: pick the unskilled player with an NBA body, or pick the highly skilled player who needs to work on his body.

It's much easier to put a guy like Bender into the weight room than it is to teach the game to a player like Brown. Brown may turn out to be pretty good, but I know that Bender will.

[beantownski]

Well you've got two choices: pick the unskilled player with an NBA body, or pick the highly skilled player who needs to work on his body.

It's much easier to put a guy like Bender into the weight room than it is to teach the game to a player like Brown. Brown may turn out to be pretty good, but I know that Bender will.

bender had looked invisible so far in vegas.

[Curmudgeon]

Well you've got two choices: pick the unskilled player with an NBA body, or pick the highly skilled player who needs to work on his body.

It's much easier to put a guy like Bender into the weight room than it is to teach the game to a player like Brown. Brown may turn out to be pretty good, but I know that Bender will.

bender had looked invisible so far in vegas.

Yes, he has done very little. I've watched the games. He's trying to be a complementary player and deferring to Ulis and Booker.

[JMac1]

Well you've got two choices: pick the unskilled player with an NBA body, or pick the highly skilled player who needs to work on his body.

It's much easier to put a guy like Bender into the weight room than it is to teach the game to a player like Brown. Brown may turn out to be pretty good, but I know that Bender will.

bender had looked invisible so far in vegas.

I guess you didn't watch the first game. If you did and still believe that than

[JMac1]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AZH7BIdniM[/youtube]

For the Stevie Wonder fans....

[JMac1]

Well you've got two choices: pick the unskilled player with an NBA body, or pick the highly skilled player who needs to work on his body.

It's much easier to put a guy like Bender into the weight room than it is to teach the game to a player like Brown. Brown may turn out to be pretty good, but I know that Bender will.

bender had looked invisible so far in vegas.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzmkivyVQ6I[/youtube]

This has few more dribble attacks.... 18 and 7'1...look at him move with the ball

[beantownski]

Well you've got two choices: pick the unskilled player with an NBA body, or pick the highly skilled player who needs to work on his body.

It's much easier to put a guy like Bender into the weight room than it is to teach the game to a player like Brown. Brown may turn out to be pretty good, but I know that Bender will.

bender had looked invisible so far in vegas.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzmkivyVQ6I[/youtube]

This has few more dribble attacks.... 18 and 7'1...look at him move with the ball

amazing....banked in a three and hit some free throws. not saying he doesn't have some skills, but he's a project. just like brown is. to say you know he'll turn out to be pretty good and a player like brown may is a reach. they both have great qualities, but both need work.

[JMac1]

bender had looked invisible so far in vegas.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzmkivyVQ6I[/youtube]

This has few more dribble attacks.... 18 and 7'1...look at him move with the ball

amazing....banked in a three and hit some free throws. not saying he doesn't have some skills, but he's a project. just like brown is. to say you know he'll turn out to be pretty good and a player like brown may is a reach. they both have great qualities, but both need work.

I didn't say anything about how he might turn out. The Phoenix Suns think he IS going to turn out to be pretty good, thus they drafted him at number 4. Its like a player gets drafted in the top ten by a NBA team and the fans who like the pick get are said to not know anything about basketball, think about that for sec. Go tell someone you know (not you in particular) more about basketball than Danny Ainge. Of course these guys mess up often, but you can't say that after 2 SL games.


If you are a box score watcher, you will not like Brown or Bender after two games. I am watching game 1 all over again, 100% eyes on Bender; maybe some should do that for Brown. I just watch how he moves, because I want to know if he is as mobile as advertise, and he is. I want to watch him with the ball in his hands, dribbling and passing, nothing that shows up in the box score.

Suns up 16-12 in the first with 57 sec. left. Bender gets the ball at the top of the key and is guarded by a 6'5'-6'6 SG/SF, he dribbles a few times, slight jab step left and he goes right, all the way to the rim and is hacked on his layup attempt, then misses his first two free throws, great exhibit of his skill set that won't show up in the box score. Then on the ensuing possession for Portland, Smith, a guy who scored 65 points in the DL ISO's Bender at the top of the key, Smith hesitates, fakes right and goes left, Bender opens his hips left then right and follows him to the rim, leaves his feet to block his shot, but brings his arms down instead of going straight up and is called for a foul, dumb 18 year old play, great display of mobility for 7'1 player won't show up in the box score.

Same thing I am sure could be said about Brown. I said Bender wasn't invisible. Bender in my eyes cannot do anything wrong during the rest of the SL, he can only do things right, because I EXPECT him to do so many things wrong. When I brings his arms down when contesting shots, that's wrong in reality, but expected, so I am not upset, I am like okay, gotta work on that. Missing open threes? Pfft, Booker missed his first 15 J's last year.

Celts fans are killing Brown. No one sees the space he creates when he crosses-over, they only see the miss.

[Curmudgeon]

Bender did not assert himself. He deferred to his teammates and there were a number of possessions in the two games I watched (including the first one) where he just spaced the floor. The Phoenix offense was all about Booker and Ulis going mano a mano. It was one pass and a shot. Booker was hot so they got away with it. But you are absolutely right that Bender knows how to play; I'd just like to see him more involved in the offense, especially as a passer.

As for Brown, it's not just the misses. His outside shot is terrible but he was supposed to get to the rim. In the Phoenix game Brown was stuffed or stripped EVERY time he took it to the rack. He couldn't even get his dunks off against the likes of Chriss and Williams. If he can't get a layup against Alan Williams, what's he going to do against Andre Drummond? I didn't like the pick, and I like it even less now.

Yes, I realize it's "just" Summer league. But as you point out, Summer league can reveal quite a bit about a player. In my view, Summer league success in no way guarantees NBA success, but Summer league failure usually results from serious underlying problems in a player's game that don't get solved overnight.

[jmnvcavs]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AZH7BIdniM[/youtube]

For the Stevie Wonder fans....

I was convinced after the first 9 seconds.