LaMelo Ball

Skin · Post #81 » by **Skin** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:51 pm

But his dad...

HeadtopChunes · Post #82 » by **HeadtopChunes** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:39 pm

Nazrmohamed wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:
Care to elaborate??

I think he'd fit perfectly on the knicks.

Especially next to frank,RJ and mitch.

i have zero trust in their coaching and FO to create the right environment for him to flourish

and I've already seen Lavar+ Big Market.

I just think it is the destination with the highest likelihood that he busts.

I guess that's fair but then flip it. Is there any prospect that you think is perfect for the Knicks or should we just disband entirely.

I just think the knicks should prefer guys that are more emotionally developed or won't be shaken by a rocky environment .

Obviously, talent >> anything else

But it's important that anybody they draft be able to work in less than ideal conditions.

I think Cole, for example, would be fine there.

Post #83 » by **GimmeDat** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:24 pm

I've found LaMelo's handles to be exceptional. Part of the reason his TO rate is so low.

jason bourne · Post #84 » by **jason bourne** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:01 am

LaMelo is also a big PG. If he can run an NBA offense, then he could go overall #1. He's playing pro right now.

Post #85 » by **GimmeDat** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:56 am

LaMelo versus RJ tonight btw (in 5-ish hours). Should be on NBL's facebook page/twitch etc.

MemphisX · Post #86 » by **MemphisX** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:48 am

LaMelo with another triple double but a very subpar game. Showed flashes but wasn't great.

Post #87 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:11 pm

Skin wrote:But his dad...

Ummm....

Jonathan Givony wrote:NBA draft No. 1 pick debate: LaMelo, Edwards or Wiseman?

What is the case for and against LaMelo Ball at No. 1?

There are only a handful of players in the NBA who can legitimately play point guard at 6-foot-7 like Ball. The mastery he has displayed operating in pick-and-roll gives him the ability to control a game unlike any player in this draft class. Ball is the youngest prospect in our top 20 and still has a huge amount of room to grow -- both physically and in terms of skill -- giving him the highest upside of any player in the draft.

...I believe that if the draft were held today, he probably would not be the No. 1 pick. But both Schmitz and I have just received a significant amount of blowback from NBA teams who say that they simply don't trust Ball enough to hand him the keys to their franchise. They worry about what all the attention around him will do to their team culture, how strong his work ethic is and whether his father, LaVar, could become a distraction.

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Post #88 » by **GimmeDat** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:39 pm

Yeah LaMelo wasn't as good as the stats suggest in that game. Thought RJ actually outplayed him for at least the first half, but his usage rate is a lot lower because of teammates/minutes.

He shot (iirc) 10/27 FG. But, he also went 1/11 from 3. So consider his pointless outside chucking the reason he was as inefficient as he was. He plays to his strength's I don't think inefficiency is a big issue for him.

He's going to be forced into taking tough shots so long as he's the only good player on his team though - they've been rolling with 1 import in a 3 import league, and they're local talent is probably below the average a swell. That 1 import, Josh Boone, is 35 and averaging 6 and 4, so he's been useless. They supposedly tried to get Xavier Cooks (undrafted Aussie from 2017 or so, he's a really good player, fringe NBA, made the Boomer's squad but got injured for the WC), but he went to the Sydney Kings instead (team with Bogut and Didi, they're stacked now). So you wonder whether now they look at getting an import in, or whether they just mail it in and give Melo the keys for the rest of the season like this. They're more or less out of finals contention already.

Nbabrothers · Post #89 » by **Nbabrothers** » Wed Mar 4, 2020 3:18 pm

Is Lamelo Ball really that good a point guard that the Knicks should focus on getting him? He has the hype but is it realistic that he can be at an all star level?

Nbabrothers · Post #90 » by **Nbabrothers** » Wed Mar 4, 2020 3:18 pm

Is there anyone else in this 2020 draft class that is considered better than him?

King Ken · Post #91 » by **King Ken** » Wed Mar 4, 2020 3:35 pm

6/9. He is that talented and skilled. I wouldn't say he's good instantly. The expectations for me isn't wins but you see an improvement to your offense in year 1 at least.

CoreyVillains · Post #92 » by **CoreyVillains** » Wed Mar 4, 2020 4:34 pm

Nbabrothers wrote:Is Lamelo Ball really that good a point guard that the Knicks should focus on getting him? He has the hype but is it realistic that he can be at an all star level?

Watch on YouTube

He has a long way to go but he’s clearly very skilled. The big question is can he change his form and become a decent shooter? If yes then he’s gonna be a problem. If no, well he’s gonna struggle for a while bc he has a lottt to learn defensively.

getrichordie · Post #93 » by **getrichordie** » Wed Mar 4, 2020 5:20 pm

I’d have him spend a year in the G League first. Let him get stronger and work on his shot so he has a better foundation to build on in the NBA.

Nbabrothers · Post #94 » by **Nbabrothers** » Wed Mar 4, 2020 5:30 pm

getrichordie wrote:I’d have him spend a year in the G League first. Let him get stronger and work on his shot so he has a better foundation to build on in the NBA.

So that’s telling me he isn’t a first round lottery talent. Then who should we focus on in the draft? I’m not familiar with who is doing well. Should we focus on getting a point guard or another position?

atlantabbq99 · Post #95 » by **atlantabbq99** » Wed Mar 4, 2020 5:31 pm

No, he is flat out horrible and way over hyped just like his brother. He has the worst jump shot I've ever seen in my life.

I don't like anything about this guy's game. No fundamentals, no IQ, his defensive IQ is a negative, and he has an ugly and broken jump shot just like his brother. Right now he is shooting 21% from three and 35% from the field. He is not even worth a second round pick. He is a worst version of Dante Exum or Dante Exum with no defense and a no jump shot.

The only good thing I can say about they guy is that he has good height and is a willing passer.

His jump shot is just really bad, like on the same level bad as RJ Barrett and Lonzo Ball bad.

On defense, he doesn't try and he doesn't care, even though he has long arms and decent athleticism.

One thing that stands out for me is that he really gives no effort during the game. The only time he gives effort is when he has the ball in his hands, but if he is playing off ball, you never see him working or hustling. I watched a few games and I was trying to see how many times Melo would sprint or dive for a loose ball, or help set a pick on a back screen and I didn't see any hustle from the guy at any point.

Nbabrothers · Post #96 » by **Nbabrothers** » Wed Mar 4, 2020 5:43 pm

atlantabbq99 wrote:No, he is flat out horrible and way over hyped just like his brother. He has the worst jump shot I've ever seen in my life.

I don't like anything about this guy's game. No fundamentals, no IQ, his defensive IQ is a negative, and he has an ugly and broken jump shot just like his brother. Right now he is shooting 21% from three and 35% from the field. He is not even worth a second round pick. He is a worst version of Dante Exum or Dante Exum with no defense and a no jump shot.

The only good thing I can say about they guy is that he has good height and is a willing passer.

His jump shot is just really bad, like on the same level bad as RJ Barrett and Lonzo Ball bad.

On defense, he doesn't try and he doesn't care, even though he has long arms and decent athleticism.

One thing that stands out for me is that he really gives no effort during the game. The only time he gives effort is when he has the ball in his hands, but if he is playing off ball, you never see him working or hustling. I watched a few games and I was trying to see how many times Melo would sprint or dive for a loose ball, or help set a pick on a back screen and I didn't see any hustle from the guy at any point.

So is this 2020 draft a bust or are there some promising players the Knicks should focus on drafting?

clyde21 · Post #97 » by **clyde21** » Wed Mar 4, 2020 6:37 pm

he's got good size, can really push the pace, pass on the break or in half-court sets and has a dribble-drive game, pretty strong handler, good vision...he'll rack up assists in today's NBA pretty easily

that said, he's not my favorite archetype, primarily on-ball guards that don't play defense aren't really winning players, and he'll have to kick up his efficiency on offense considerably to make up for it. he still has no idea how to manage games and takes bad shots that really only elite shooters should be taking. he's also not gonna offer you much off-ball on either side of the court.

i'd say a guy like D-Lo is his closest analog in the league, probably a better passer but not as good of a scorer.

getrichordie · Post #98 » by **getrichordie** » Wed Mar 4, 2020 6:45 pm

Nbabrothers wrote:
getrichordie wrote:I’d have him spend a year in the G League first. Let him get stronger and work on his shot so he has a better foundation to build on in the NBA.

So that’s telling me he isn’t a first round lottery talent. Then who should we focus on in the draft? I’m not familiar with who is doing well. Should we focus on getting a point guard or another position?

He is definitely lottery talent. Any time you have a 6’7 (he’s probably closer to 6’6) with his wingspan and feel and vision, they are going to be a lottery talent.

Don’t get me wrong. It’s the same thing with how some NFL teams will draft a high-end QB prospect and sit them behind a vet for a season. Since the NBA dynamic is a little different, I’d rather him build good habits in the G League rather than bad ones at the NBA level. He’s still young and raw enough to break bad habits and build good ones.

atlantabbq99 · Post #99 » by **atlantabbq99** » Thu Mar 5, 2020 1:05 am

Nbabrothers wrote:
atlantabbq99 wrote:No, he is flat out horrible and way over hyped just like his brother. He has the worst jump shot I've ever seen in my life.

I don't like anything about this guy's game. No fundamentals, no IQ, his defensive IQ is a negative, and he has an ugly and broken jump shot just like his brother. Right now he is shooting 21% from three and 35% from the field. He is not even worth a second round pick. He is a worst version of Dante Exum or Dante Exum with no defense and a no jump shot.

The only good thing I can say about they guy is that he has good height and is a willing passer.

His jump shot is just really bad, like on the same level bad as RJ Barrett and Lonzo Ball bad.

On defense, he doesn't try and he doesn't care, even though he has long arms and decent athleticism.

One thing that stands out for me is that he really gives no effort during the game. The only time he gives effort is when he has the ball in his hands, but if he is playing off ball, you never see him working or hustling. I watched a few games and I was trying to see how many times Melo would sprint or dive for a loose ball, or help set a pick on a back screen and I didn't see any hustle from the guy at any point.

So is this 2020 draft a bust or are there some promising players the Knicks should focus on drafting?

I have Jalen Smith, Anthony Edwards, and James Wiseman as my top 3.

If you want a PG, look at Tyrese Haliburton, he is a cross between Micheal Ray Richardson and Jayson Tatum. Haliburton has a high basketball IQ and is an elite shooter, he has no weaknesses but he just needs to bulk up. In the right situation, Haliburton could be the same level impact player as Damian Lillard.

Anthony Edwards can also play PG, but he is more of a Bradley Beal type of player.

azcatz11 · Post #100 » by **azcatz11** » Thu Mar 5, 2020 1:41 am

clyde21 wrote:he's got good size, can really push the pace, pass on the break or in half-court sets and has a dribble-drive game, pretty strong handler, good vision...he'll rack up assists in today's NBA pretty easily

that said, he's not my favorite archetype, primarily on-ball guards that don't play defense aren't really winning players, and he'll have to kick up his efficiency on offense considerably to make up for it. he still has no idea how to manage games and takes bad shots that really only elite shooters should be taking. he's also not gonna offer you much off-ball on either side of the court.

i'd say a guy like D-Lo is his closest analog in the league, probably a better passer but not as good of a scorer.

This says it all tbh. I wouldn't draft him but some team will fall in love with him