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Post#81 » by Hal14 » Tue Mar 22, 2022 8:24 pm

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He should be a lottery pick imo. I wouldn't call him a true point guard, but he can certainly fill the role. The handle is definitely there and he can get to the rim at an NBA level now. The comp isn't awful considering Kyle acted in a point/wing role early in his career. Defensively, Gui is elite and would be an amazing fit for our Grizzlies.

His season has been quite remarkable with Minas. The only thing holding him back from being at the very top of the draft chart imo is his uncontested 3 percentage. But, this will definitely improve in time, as his stroke is fluid. He could be the star of this draft class.

He's averaging 9 pts, 5 rebs, 2 assists a game. 45% FG, 31% from 3, 72% FT. What has he done that's so remarkable? Brazilian league isn't even that good, is it? I would think he'd be dominating if he's supposedly a lottery pick. He's not even in this team's starting lineup often times.


Go through the tape or check out my comprehensive scouting report (with clips) I put out there so many times. He's 6'6 with a ~7'0 wingspan and 19 years old playing in a pro league against former NBA guys like Caboclo/Marquinhos. He has point guard level handle, is a good pick and roll player, can finish at the rim, and is an excellent defender. He can switch 4 positions basically. Think he made the allstar game this year and his team is towards the top of the NBB. Think they won the Copa and he hit a game winner. The minutes have nothing to do with talent level. The same thing happens in Europe - where they often go with older players.

Because of his average three point shooting this year, he will likely slip, but I believe he is a lottery talent. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with his shooting stroke. He is completely under the radar because covid impacted his ability to play internationally as well as the Nike Hoops Summit (which he was invited to).

Haven't seen the scouting report or clips. Got a link?

Did he get injured at some point in the past couple years? I was watching a few vids on youtube. Seemed like the older ones he is more explosive, fasterr, more burst, more athletic than the newer vids..
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Re: 2022 international class 

Post#82 » by jman3134 » Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:00 pm

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Hal14 wrote:He's averaging 9 pts, 5 rebs, 2 assists a game. 45% FG, 31% from 3, 72% FT. What has he done that's so remarkable? Brazilian league isn't even that good, is it? I would think he'd be dominating if he's supposedly a lottery pick. He's not even in this team's starting lineup often times.


Go through the tape or check out my comprehensive scouting report (with clips) I put out there so many times. He's 6'6 with a ~7'0 wingspan and 19 years old playing in a pro league against former NBA guys like Caboclo/Marquinhos. He has point guard level handle, is a good pick and roll player, can finish at the rim, and is an excellent defender. He can switch 4 positions basically. Think he made the allstar game this year and his team is towards the top of the NBB. Think they won the Copa and he hit a game winner. The minutes have nothing to do with talent level. The same thing happens in Europe - where they often go with older players.

Because of his average three point shooting this year, he will likely slip, but I believe he is a lottery talent. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with his shooting stroke. He is completely under the radar because covid impacted his ability to play internationally as well as the Nike Hoops Summit (which he was invited to).

Haven't seen the scouting report or clips. Got a link?

Did he get injured at some point in the past couple years? I was watching a few vids on youtube. Seemed like the older ones he is more explosive, fasterr, more burst, more athletic than the newer vids..


I will be writing a report this year to update on how he developed over the summer. I have most of the tape logged already, but am waiting until after the NCAAs. In terms of burst, did you see him recently? Or like 2 months ago? I would say like October ish I noticed that he got a little banged up because he basically didn't have an offseason. He went straight from NBA workouts training over the summer to their U21 league, to NBB and South American Champions League. He has looked just as explosive to me in recent games.

This is the report from last year. But, please note that the gains were significant from last year to this year. His handle is like 4x better and passing/decision making as well. The D has been elite at the NBB level and I can see it translating.

In this new segment, 'Circling the Globe', I profile talent from every corner of the world. In this episode, I highlight Minas' breakout wing, Gui Santos, who has a chance to develop into the best Brazilian NBA prospect in recent memory. At a young age 18 (born June 22, 2002), Gui has emerged as a formidable piece in the Storm rotation, contributing to the Storm's first place standing in the NBB (the professional basketball league of Brazil) while playing alongside Gonzaga standout JP Batista. Importantly, Gui is incredibly skilled for his age and possesses the requisite length, athleticism, and basketball IQ to develop into a standout scorer at the highest level. He is the biggest sleeper international prospect I have come across so far, and should look to capitalize on a relatively weak international class in 2021 by remaining in the draft.

On the offensive end, Gui is a versatile weapon, who utilizes high ball screens to either rise up for a jumper or create for himself off the dribble. Gui has improved considerably as a shooter off the dribble this season, displaying consistent mechanics and a high release point, and connecting on 36.4% of his three point attempts. He already shows good spatial awareness to free himself for open shots in high ball screen scenarios, only requiring a little bit of daylight to get his shot off.


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Re: 2022 international class 

Post#83 » by BarbaGrizz » Wed Mar 23, 2022 1:53 am

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He should be a lottery pick imo. I wouldn't call him a true point guard, but he can certainly fill the role. The handle is definitely there and he can get to the rim at an NBA level now. The comp isn't awful considering Kyle acted in a point/wing role early in his career. Defensively, Gui is elite and would be an amazing fit for our Grizzlies.

His season has been quite remarkable with Minas. The only thing holding him back from being at the very top of the draft chart imo is his uncontested 3 percentage. But, this will definitely improve in time, as his stroke is fluid. He could be the star of this draft class.

He's averaging 9 pts, 5 rebs, 2 assists a game. 45% FG, 31% from 3, 72% FT. What has he done that's so remarkable? Brazilian league isn't even that good, is it? I would think he'd be dominating if he's supposedly a lottery pick. He's not even in this team's starting lineup often times.


Go through the tape or check out my comprehensive scouting report (with clips) I put out there so many times. He's 6'6 with a ~7'0 wingspan and 19 years old playing in a pro league against former NBA guys like Caboclo/Marquinhos. He has point guard level handle, is a good pick and roll player, can finish at the rim, and is an excellent defender. He can switch 4 positions basically. Think he made the allstar game this year and his team is towards the top of the NBB. Think they won the Copa and he hit a game winner. The minutes have nothing to do with talent level. The same thing happens in Europe - where they often go with older players.

Because of his average three point shooting this year, he will likely slip, but I believe he is a lottery talent. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with his shooting stroke. He is completely under the radar because covid impacted his ability to play internationally as well as the Nike Hoops Summit (which he was invited to).


Are you sure he´s 6´6? I would say he´s leaning towards 6´8
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Re: 2022 international class 

Post#84 » by BarbaGrizz » Wed Mar 23, 2022 1:59 am

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Hal14 wrote:He's averaging 9 pts, 5 rebs, 2 assists a game. 45% FG, 31% from 3, 72% FT. What has he done that's so remarkable? Brazilian league isn't even that good, is it? I would think he'd be dominating if he's supposedly a lottery pick. He's not even in this team's starting lineup often times.


Go through the tape or check out my comprehensive scouting report (with clips) I put out there so many times. He's 6'6 with a ~7'0 wingspan and 19 years old playing in a pro league against former NBA guys like Caboclo/Marquinhos. He has point guard level handle, is a good pick and roll player, can finish at the rim, and is an excellent defender. He can switch 4 positions basically. Think he made the allstar game this year and his team is towards the top of the NBB. Think they won the Copa and he hit a game winner. The minutes have nothing to do with talent level. The same thing happens in Europe - where they often go with older players.

Because of his average three point shooting this year, he will likely slip, but I believe he is a lottery talent. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with his shooting stroke. He is completely under the radar because covid impacted his ability to play internationally as well as the Nike Hoops Summit (which he was invited to).

Haven't seen the scouting report or clips. Got a link?

Did he get injured at some point in the past couple years? I was watching a few vids on youtube. Seemed like the older ones he is more explosive, fasterr, more burst, more athletic than the newer vids..

I discovered recently that there are two brazilian prospects named Gui Santos, one playing for Bauru and the other for Minas.

The one playing for Bauru is a PG who had surgery recently and I honestly have never heard of. This is him:
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The other one, playing for Minas, is a SF/SG in the NBA, but playing as PG right now. This is the one we´re talking about:
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Re: 2022 international class 

Post#85 » by jman3134 » Wed Mar 23, 2022 2:24 am

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Hal14 wrote:He's averaging 9 pts, 5 rebs, 2 assists a game. 45% FG, 31% from 3, 72% FT. What has he done that's so remarkable? Brazilian league isn't even that good, is it? I would think he'd be dominating if he's supposedly a lottery pick. He's not even in this team's starting lineup often times.


Go through the tape or check out my comprehensive scouting report (with clips) I put out there so many times. He's 6'6 with a ~7'0 wingspan and 19 years old playing in a pro league against former NBA guys like Caboclo/Marquinhos. He has point guard level handle, is a good pick and roll player, can finish at the rim, and is an excellent defender. He can switch 4 positions basically. Think he made the allstar game this year and his team is towards the top of the NBB. Think they won the Copa and he hit a game winner. The minutes have nothing to do with talent level. The same thing happens in Europe - where they often go with older players.

Because of his average three point shooting this year, he will likely slip, but I believe he is a lottery talent. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with his shooting stroke. He is completely under the radar because covid impacted his ability to play internationally as well as the Nike Hoops Summit (which he was invited to).


Are you sure he´s 6´6? I would say he´s leaning towards 6´8


Last I checked he measured at 6'6 with 6'11.5 wingspan, but he is probably still growing. He plays a lot bigger and could be 6'8 in shoes. With his 7 foot wingspan, he can cover basically anyone on the floor. Excellent ball skills. I am seriously hoping our Grizz take him this year.
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Post#86 » by MemphisX » Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:10 am

Ousmane Dieng has really looked improved lately. A 6'10 wing with his scoring package is not getting pass 15 IMO. Shot is starting to fall now. Defense is ok. Gives good effort. My guess is in the end he goes top 10.

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Post#87 » by jezzerinho » Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:44 am

Gabriele Procida has been injured the past couple of weeks. It's a shame, as he was really beginning to stockpile good minutes as a starter with Fortitude Bologna. I think he's a legit top 20 player in this class, so hopefully he gets back healthy quickly and shows it.
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Post#88 » by GimmeDat » Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:30 pm

Ousmane's definitely turned the corner.

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He's been blessed with a lot of entitlement minutes on a bad team, he probably wouldn't have gotten to this point without that, and even now the percentages are not great. Defense is not there yet either. But it's night and day from the start of the season, and we always knew he was going to be a project, so the trajectory is good, and his archetype is going to win teams over.
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Post#89 » by realEAST » Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:52 pm

I have discounted Dieng based of his stats, but this recent uptick in production made me go and watch some highlights of his, and I came back pretty impressed. Everything else aside - and he flashes nice potential all around - he just looks so smooth and natural with the ball in his hands, his motions are fluid when he changes directions, goes for a pull up or floater, he is good as P'n'R ball handler, etc.

Obviously, he has to work on all apsects of his game, but as he becomes stronger and more experienced, his growth will be exponential. I think he has really good potential and given his position, he might be a steal down the road.

He reminds me of a Jaden McDaniels with better handles, and his game translated surprisingly well.
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Re: 2022 international class 

Post#90 » by Hal14 » Sat Apr 2, 2022 5:14 pm

Most underrated big man in the 2022 draft class?

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Re: 2022 international class 

Post#91 » by EvanZ » Sat Apr 2, 2022 9:07 pm

clyde21 wrote:looks pretty **** loaded

Carlos Alocen
Ibou Dianko Badji
Adem Bona
Abramo Canka
Malcolm Cazalon
Ousmane Dieng
Matthieu Gauzin
Ariel Hukporti
Nikola Jovic
Mojave King
Yoan Makoundou
Jean Montero
Mario Nakic
Yannick Nzosa
Roko Prkacin
Kai Sotto
Matthew Strazel
Jayson Tchicamboud
Fedor Zugic

not including international guys like Banchero and Diabate playing in the NCAA.

Man it did not turn out well lol


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Post#92 » by clyde21 » Sat Apr 2, 2022 9:58 pm

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Re: 2022 international class 

Post#93 » by Toxicity » Tue Apr 5, 2022 9:59 pm



Procida still injured (but he's recovering for the few last games of the regular season)... take a look @ some highlights of him!
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Re: 2022 international class 

Post#94 » by Hal14 » Thu Apr 7, 2022 1:46 am

underrated big man prospect: Karlo Matkovic

Anyone have thoughts on him?

Anytime I'm watching Mega Mozzart games to see Jovic play, I'm always impressed by Matkovic.

Tough, hard nosed player, Good defender, good rebounder. sets screens. solid as the roll man. lob threat. can hit mid range jumper. 21 yrs old.. 6'10"
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Post#95 » by SelfishPlayer » Thu Apr 7, 2022 3:35 pm

Dieng lacks vertical explosion and doesn't make up for it with exceptional arm length. At 7:29 that should have been a dunk. He moves fluidly, but a similarly tall skinny former prospect Kevin Durant has height, fluidity, arm length, and vertical explosion.

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Re: 2022 international class 

Post#96 » by Hal14 » Thu Apr 7, 2022 6:17 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:Dieng lacks vertical explosion and doesn't make up for it with exceptional arm length. At 7:29 that should have been a dunk. He moves fluidly, but a similarly tall skinny former prospect Kevin Durant has height, fluidity, arm length, and vertical explosion.


There should be a rule that when analyzing NBA prospects, you're not allowed to compare them to a) a top 20 player of all time or b) a top 3 player of all time when ranking players who possess a certain skill/attribute

What is the point in saying that Dieng isn't quite like Kevin Durant. Ok thanks - now we know Dieng isn't going to be as good as the player who's arguably the greatest scoring weapon in the history of basketball..
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Re: 2022 international class 

Post#97 » by SelfishPlayer » Thu Apr 7, 2022 6:25 pm

Hal14 wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:Dieng lacks vertical explosion and doesn't make up for it with exceptional arm length. At 7:29 that should have been a dunk. He moves fluidly, but a similarly tall skinny former prospect Kevin Durant has height, fluidity, arm length, and vertical explosion.


There should be a rule that when analyzing NBA prospects, you're not allowed to compare them to a) a top 20 player of all time or b) a top 3 player of all time when ranking players who possess a certain skill/attribute

What is the point in saying that Dieng isn't quite like Kevin Durant. Ok thanks - now we know Dieng isn't going to be as good as the player who's arguably the greatest scoring weapon in the history of basketball..


We can clearly see that he will not just by him simply being incapable of dunking the ball in that play.
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Post#98 » by Hal14 » Thu Apr 7, 2022 6:53 pm

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SelfishPlayer wrote:Dieng lacks vertical explosion and doesn't make up for it with exceptional arm length. At 7:29 that should have been a dunk. He moves fluidly, but a similarly tall skinny former prospect Kevin Durant has height, fluidity, arm length, and vertical explosion.


There should be a rule that when analyzing NBA prospects, you're not allowed to compare them to a) a top 20 player of all time or b) a top 3 player of all time when ranking players who possess a certain skill/attribute

What is the point in saying that Dieng isn't quite like Kevin Durant. Ok thanks - now we know Dieng isn't going to be as good as the player who's arguably the greatest scoring weapon in the history of basketball..


We can clearly see that he will not just by him simply being incapable of dunking the ball in that play.

He's dunked plenty of times. Who knows, he may have dunked on this play too if he didn't get blocked from behind.
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Re: 2022 international class 

Post#99 » by EvanZ » Thu Apr 7, 2022 6:54 pm

Now I'm thinking Dieng is a worse version of Emoni lol
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Re: 2022 international class 

Post#100 » by SelfishPlayer » Fri Apr 8, 2022 12:56 am

Hal14 wrote:
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Hal14 wrote:There should be a rule that when analyzing NBA prospects, you're not allowed to compare them to a) a top 20 player of all time or b) a top 3 player of all time when ranking players who possess a certain skill/attribute

What is the point in saying that Dieng isn't quite like Kevin Durant. Ok thanks - now we know Dieng isn't going to be as good as the player who's arguably the greatest scoring weapon in the history of basketball..


We can clearly see that he will not just by him simply being incapable of dunking the ball in that play.

He's dunked plenty of times. Who knows, he may have dunked on this play too if he didn't get blocked from behind.


So has Spud Webb.
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