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Re: 2022 G League Ignite guys 

Post#81 » by Hal14 » Wed Dec 8, 2021 11:36 pm

EMG518 wrote:
ROballer wrote:Fun fact.

All three of Victor Wembanyama, Scoot Henderson and Emoni Bates(possible top 3 from 2023) are born at most within a month from one another.

And all 3 are uneligible for the 2022 draft by mere days(can't be born in 2004, 31 Jan 2003 last day of eligibility). 4 days for Victor, 28 days for Emoni, 36 days for Scoot.


What a **** bummer, imagine these 3 in next years's draft. Change these rules already, it's ridiculous.
We're going to miss a full year of their careers because they happened to be born a few days after a random set deadline.



If you're 18 and want to declare you should be allowed. Scoot is a potential #1 this year.

He is going to waste a year next year in the Gleague, he looks like he can make an impact on an NBA team now.

It's not a wasted year.

It's an extra year of developing his game, developing his body and maturing as a human being - and as a result he'll be more ready when he gets to NBA.

There's a reason why the NBA changed the rule and made it so kids couldn't keep jumping from HS directly to the pros. Because more often than not, they weren't ready. Their game wasn't ready, their body wasn't ready, their maturity wasn't ready.

Here's 14 more reasons...

1) Ousmane Cisse
2) Ndudi Ebi
3) James Lang
4) Korleone Young
5) Sebastian Telfair
6) Kwame Brown
7) Leon Smith
8) Satnam Singh
9) Rickey Sanchez
10) Dorell Wright
11) Robert Swift
12) Jonathan Bender
13) Thon Maker
14) Bill Willoughby

All went from HS straight to the pros - all were busts.

You think Scoot might go #1 in 2022? So what? Kwame Brown went #1 and look how he turned out.

Not to mention, saying Scoot would go #1 seems like you are really jumping the gun and getting too excited over a 6 game sample. That's right, he's only played 6 games for the Ignite. That's nothing.

Oh and Scoot is only shooting 13% from 3 during those 6 games. You know how rare it is for a PG to go #1 in the draft these days? In the last 10 yrs the only PGs to go #1 are Simmons, Cade Cunningham and Fultz. Cade and Simmons are both freaks - they're much bigger than Scoot. Fultz is about the same size as Scoot but Fultz shot 41% from 3 during his 1 college season. 41%! Scoot is shooting 13% from 3. We all should know how important shooting is as a modern PG. If you can't shoot, then defenses will sag off of you, and that makes it way harder to drive/penetrate, harder for your teammates to get open.

Hmm, maybe Scoot could benefit from the extra year in the g-league so that he can, oh I don't know, maybe work on his outside shot?

Bill Russell "wasted" 4 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Kareem "wasted" 4 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Tim Duncan "wasted" 4 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Jordan "wasted" 3 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Ginobili didn't play in the NBA till age 25. He turned out ok.
Magic "wasted" 2 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Bird "wasted" 3 yrs in college and turned 23 just a month into his rookie year. He turned out ok.
Shaq "wasted" 3 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
I'm sure Iverson would tell you the 1 year he "wasted" at Georgetown, learning and being mentored by the late great John Thompson made a massive difference in him having the type of NBA career he did
Steph Curry "wasted" 3 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Chris Paul "wasted" 2 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Kevin Durant "wasted" 1 yr in college. He turned out ok.
Anthony Davis "wasted" 1 yr in college. He turned out ok.
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Re: 2022 G League Ignite guys 

Post#82 » by EMG518 » Thu Dec 9, 2021 1:27 pm

Hal14 wrote:
EMG518 wrote:
ROballer wrote:Fun fact.

All three of Victor Wembanyama, Scoot Henderson and Emoni Bates(possible top 3 from 2023) are born at most within a month from one another.

And all 3 are uneligible for the 2022 draft by mere days(can't be born in 2004, 31 Jan 2003 last day of eligibility). 4 days for Victor, 28 days for Emoni, 36 days for Scoot.


What a **** bummer, imagine these 3 in next years's draft. Change these rules already, it's ridiculous.
We're going to miss a full year of their careers because they happened to be born a few days after a random set deadline.



If you're 18 and want to declare you should be allowed. Scoot is a potential #1 this year.

He is going to waste a year next year in the Gleague, he looks like he can make an impact on an NBA team now.

It's not a wasted year.

It's an extra year of developing his game, developing his body and maturing as a human being - and as a result he'll be more ready when he gets to NBA.

There's a reason why the NBA changed the rule and made it so kids couldn't keep jumping from HS directly to the pros. Because more often than not, they weren't ready. Their game wasn't ready, their body wasn't ready, their maturity wasn't ready.

Here's 14 more reasons...

1) Ousmane Cisse
2) Ndudi Ebi
3) James Lang
4) Korleone Young
5) Sebastian Telfair
6) Kwame Brown
7) Leon Smith
8) Satnam Singh
9) Rickey Sanchez
10) Dorell Wright
11) Robert Swift
12) Jonathan Bender
13) Thon Maker
14) Bill Willoughby

All went from HS straight to the pros - all were busts.

You think Scoot might go #1 in 2022? So what? Kwame Brown went #1 and look how he turned out.

Not to mention, saying Scoot would go #1 seems like you are really jumping the gun and getting too excited over a 6 game sample. That's right, he's only played 6 games for the Ignite. That's nothing.

Oh and Scoot is only shooting 13% from 3 during those 6 games. You know how rare it is for a PG to go #1 in the draft these days? In the last 10 yrs the only PGs to go #1 are Simmons, Cade Cunningham and Fultz. Cade and Simmons are both freaks - they're much bigger than Scoot. Fultz is about the same size as Scoot but Fultz shot 41% from 3 during his 1 college season. 41%! Scoot is shooting 13% from 3. We all should know how important shooting is as a modern PG. If you can't shoot, then defenses will sag off of you, and that makes it way harder to drive/penetrate, harder for your teammates to get open.

Hmm, maybe Scoot could benefit from the extra year in the g-league so that he can, oh I don't know, maybe work on his outside shot?

Bill Russell "wasted" 4 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Kareem "wasted" 4 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Tim Duncan "wasted" 4 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Jordan "wasted" 3 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Ginobili didn't play in the NBA till age 25. He turned out ok.
Magic "wasted" 2 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Bird "wasted" 3 yrs in college and turned 23 just a month into his rookie year. He turned out ok.
Shaq "wasted" 3 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
I'm sure Iverson would tell you the 1 year he "wasted" at Georgetown, learning and being mentored by the late great John Thompson made a massive difference in him having the type of NBA career he did
Steph Curry "wasted" 3 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Chris Paul "wasted" 2 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Kevin Durant "wasted" 1 yr in college. He turned out ok.
Anthony Davis "wasted" 1 yr in college. He turned out ok.



He can develop his game with a real NBA team and structure. He doesnt need to play in the Gleague a 2nd year for development purposes. He will get acclimated quicker to the NBA by actually playing there.

It's not for everyone, not everyone should make the jump at his age but you shouldn't be holding guys back that can. He is an unbelievable talent and could be a top player in the league in a few years.

As far as point guards going #1, just off the top of my head you can mention Derrick Rose, Kyrie Irving, John Wall, etc. Seems to be plenty of distribution of #1 picks allocated to the point guard position when there are 4 others to choose from.
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Re: 2022 G League Ignite guys 

Post#83 » by Hal14 » Thu Dec 9, 2021 2:11 pm

EMG518 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
EMG518 wrote:

If you're 18 and want to declare you should be allowed. Scoot is a potential #1 this year.

He is going to waste a year next year in the Gleague, he looks like he can make an impact on an NBA team now.

It's not a wasted year.

It's an extra year of developing his game, developing his body and maturing as a human being - and as a result he'll be more ready when he gets to NBA.

There's a reason why the NBA changed the rule and made it so kids couldn't keep jumping from HS directly to the pros. Because more often than not, they weren't ready. Their game wasn't ready, their body wasn't ready, their maturity wasn't ready.

Here's 14 more reasons...

1) Ousmane Cisse
2) Ndudi Ebi
3) James Lang
4) Korleone Young
5) Sebastian Telfair
6) Kwame Brown
7) Leon Smith
8) Satnam Singh
9) Rickey Sanchez
10) Dorell Wright
11) Robert Swift
12) Jonathan Bender
13) Thon Maker
14) Bill Willoughby

All went from HS straight to the pros - all were busts.

You think Scoot might go #1 in 2022? So what? Kwame Brown went #1 and look how he turned out.

Not to mention, saying Scoot would go #1 seems like you are really jumping the gun and getting too excited over a 6 game sample. That's right, he's only played 6 games for the Ignite. That's nothing.

Oh and Scoot is only shooting 13% from 3 during those 6 games. You know how rare it is for a PG to go #1 in the draft these days? In the last 10 yrs the only PGs to go #1 are Simmons, Cade Cunningham and Fultz. Cade and Simmons are both freaks - they're much bigger than Scoot. Fultz is about the same size as Scoot but Fultz shot 41% from 3 during his 1 college season. 41%! Scoot is shooting 13% from 3. We all should know how important shooting is as a modern PG. If you can't shoot, then defenses will sag off of you, and that makes it way harder to drive/penetrate, harder for your teammates to get open.

Hmm, maybe Scoot could benefit from the extra year in the g-league so that he can, oh I don't know, maybe work on his outside shot?

Bill Russell "wasted" 4 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Kareem "wasted" 4 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Tim Duncan "wasted" 4 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Jordan "wasted" 3 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Ginobili didn't play in the NBA till age 25. He turned out ok.
Magic "wasted" 2 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Bird "wasted" 3 yrs in college and turned 23 just a month into his rookie year. He turned out ok.
Shaq "wasted" 3 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
I'm sure Iverson would tell you the 1 year he "wasted" at Georgetown, learning and being mentored by the late great John Thompson made a massive difference in him having the type of NBA career he did
Steph Curry "wasted" 3 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Chris Paul "wasted" 2 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Kevin Durant "wasted" 1 yr in college. He turned out ok.
Anthony Davis "wasted" 1 yr in college. He turned out ok.



He can develop his game with a real NBA team and structure. He doesnt need to play in the Gleague a 2nd year for development purposes. He will get acclimated quicker to the NBA by actually playing there.

It's not for everyone, not everyone should make the jump at his age but you shouldn't be holding guys back that can. He is an unbelievable talent and could be a top player in the league in a few years.

As far as point guards going #1, just off the top of my head you can mention Derrick Rose, Kyrie Irving, John Wall, etc. Seems to be plenty of distribution of #1 picks allocated to the point guard position when there are 4 others to choose from.

But all of those guys went to college.
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Re: 2022 G League Ignite guys 

Post#84 » by EMG518 » Thu Dec 9, 2021 2:33 pm

Hal14 wrote:
EMG518 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:It's not a wasted year.

It's an extra year of developing his game, developing his body and maturing as a human being - and as a result he'll be more ready when he gets to NBA.

There's a reason why the NBA changed the rule and made it so kids couldn't keep jumping from HS directly to the pros. Because more often than not, they weren't ready. Their game wasn't ready, their body wasn't ready, their maturity wasn't ready.

Here's 14 more reasons...

1) Ousmane Cisse
2) Ndudi Ebi
3) James Lang
4) Korleone Young
5) Sebastian Telfair
6) Kwame Brown
7) Leon Smith
8) Satnam Singh
9) Rickey Sanchez
10) Dorell Wright
11) Robert Swift
12) Jonathan Bender
13) Thon Maker
14) Bill Willoughby

All went from HS straight to the pros - all were busts.

You think Scoot might go #1 in 2022? So what? Kwame Brown went #1 and look how he turned out.

Not to mention, saying Scoot would go #1 seems like you are really jumping the gun and getting too excited over a 6 game sample. That's right, he's only played 6 games for the Ignite. That's nothing.

Oh and Scoot is only shooting 13% from 3 during those 6 games. You know how rare it is for a PG to go #1 in the draft these days? In the last 10 yrs the only PGs to go #1 are Simmons, Cade Cunningham and Fultz. Cade and Simmons are both freaks - they're much bigger than Scoot. Fultz is about the same size as Scoot but Fultz shot 41% from 3 during his 1 college season. 41%! Scoot is shooting 13% from 3. We all should know how important shooting is as a modern PG. If you can't shoot, then defenses will sag off of you, and that makes it way harder to drive/penetrate, harder for your teammates to get open.

Hmm, maybe Scoot could benefit from the extra year in the g-league so that he can, oh I don't know, maybe work on his outside shot?

Bill Russell "wasted" 4 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Kareem "wasted" 4 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Tim Duncan "wasted" 4 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Jordan "wasted" 3 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Ginobili didn't play in the NBA till age 25. He turned out ok.
Magic "wasted" 2 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Bird "wasted" 3 yrs in college and turned 23 just a month into his rookie year. He turned out ok.
Shaq "wasted" 3 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
I'm sure Iverson would tell you the 1 year he "wasted" at Georgetown, learning and being mentored by the late great John Thompson made a massive difference in him having the type of NBA career he did
Steph Curry "wasted" 3 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Chris Paul "wasted" 2 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Kevin Durant "wasted" 1 yr in college. He turned out ok.
Anthony Davis "wasted" 1 yr in college. He turned out ok.



He can develop his game with a real NBA team and structure. He doesnt need to play in the Gleague a 2nd year for development purposes. He will get acclimated quicker to the NBA by actually playing there.

It's not for everyone, not everyone should make the jump at his age but you shouldn't be holding guys back that can. He is an unbelievable talent and could be a top player in the league in a few years.

As far as point guards going #1, just off the top of my head you can mention Derrick Rose, Kyrie Irving, John Wall, etc. Seems to be plenty of distribution of #1 picks allocated to the point guard position when there are 4 others to choose from.

But all of those guys went to college.



That's fine if he wanted to go to college, but he chose to play basketball professionally in the Gleague. He will be 18 and he is playing professionally already, he should be allowed to declare if he chooses to. If he wants to play another year in the Gleague he should be able to make that choice also.
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Re: 2022 G League Ignite guys 

Post#85 » by Hal14 » Thu Dec 9, 2021 2:44 pm

EMG518 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
EMG518 wrote:

He can develop his game with a real NBA team and structure. He doesnt need to play in the Gleague a 2nd year for development purposes. He will get acclimated quicker to the NBA by actually playing there.

It's not for everyone, not everyone should make the jump at his age but you shouldn't be holding guys back that can. He is an unbelievable talent and could be a top player in the league in a few years.

As far as point guards going #1, just off the top of my head you can mention Derrick Rose, Kyrie Irving, John Wall, etc. Seems to be plenty of distribution of #1 picks allocated to the point guard position when there are 4 others to choose from.

But all of those guys went to college.



That's fine if he wanted to go to college, but he chose to play basketball professionally in the Gleague. He will be 18 and he is playing professionally already, he should be allowed to declare if he chooses to. If he wants to play another year in the Gleague he should be able to make that choice also.

Riiiiight, let's make an exception to the rule just for this 1 kid, based off a 6 game sample size in the g-league....where he's only shooting 13% from 3 :roll:

The rule is the rule. They made the rule for a reason. 1 more year in g-league isn't going to hurt anybody.

Again, Jordan stayed in college for 3 years and he turned out ok, yes?
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Re: 2022 G League Ignite guys 

Post#86 » by EMG518 » Thu Dec 9, 2021 3:00 pm

Hal14 wrote:
EMG518 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:But all of those guys went to college.



That's fine if he wanted to go to college, but he chose to play basketball professionally in the Gleague. He will be 18 and he is playing professionally already, he should be allowed to declare if he chooses to. If he wants to play another year in the Gleague he should be able to make that choice also.

Riiiiight, let's make an exception to the rule just for this 1 kid, based off a 6 game sample size in the g-league....where he's only shooting 13% from 3 :roll:

The rule is the rule. They made the rule for a reason. 1 more year in g-league isn't going to hurt anybody.

Again, Jordan stayed in college for 3 years and he turned out ok, yes?



Lebron, Kobe, Garnett came out of High school and they did ok, yes?

I don't subscribe to the rule is the rule. I believe if an adult 18 year old wants to play basketball professionally and teams would draft him to play then he shouldn't be held back because the rule is the rule.
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Re: 2022 G League Ignite guys 

Post#87 » by NotMyKawhi » Thu Dec 9, 2021 10:58 pm

Hal14 wrote:
EMG518 wrote:
ROballer wrote:Fun fact.

All three of Victor Wembanyama, Scoot Henderson and Emoni Bates(possible top 3 from 2023) are born at most within a month from one another.

And all 3 are uneligible for the 2022 draft by mere days(can't be born in 2004, 31 Jan 2003 last day of eligibility). 4 days for Victor, 28 days for Emoni, 36 days for Scoot.


What a **** bummer, imagine these 3 in next years's draft. Change these rules already, it's ridiculous.
We're going to miss a full year of their careers because they happened to be born a few days after a random set deadline.



If you're 18 and want to declare you should be allowed. Scoot is a potential #1 this year.

He is going to waste a year next year in the Gleague, he looks like he can make an impact on an NBA team now.

It's not a wasted year.

It's an extra year of developing his game, developing his body and maturing as a human being - and as a result he'll be more ready when he gets to NBA.

There's a reason why the NBA changed the rule and made it so kids couldn't keep jumping from HS directly to the pros. Because more often than not, they weren't ready. Their game wasn't ready, their body wasn't ready, their maturity wasn't ready.

Here's 14 more reasons...

1) Ousmane Cisse
2) Ndudi Ebi
3) James Lang
4) Korleone Young
5) Sebastian Telfair
6) Kwame Brown
7) Leon Smith
8) Satnam Singh
9) Rickey Sanchez
10) Dorell Wright
11) Robert Swift
12) Jonathan Bender
13) Thon Maker
14) Bill Willoughby

All went from HS straight to the pros - all were busts.

You think Scoot might go #1 in 2022? So what? Kwame Brown went #1 and look how he turned out.

Not to mention, saying Scoot would go #1 seems like you are really jumping the gun and getting too excited over a 6 game sample. That's right, he's only played 6 games for the Ignite. That's nothing.

Oh and Scoot is only shooting 13% from 3 during those 6 games. You know how rare it is for a PG to go #1 in the draft these days? In the last 10 yrs the only PGs to go #1 are Simmons, Cade Cunningham and Fultz. Cade and Simmons are both freaks - they're much bigger than Scoot. Fultz is about the same size as Scoot but Fultz shot 41% from 3 during his 1 college season. 41%! Scoot is shooting 13% from 3. We all should know how important shooting is as a modern PG. If you can't shoot, then defenses will sag off of you, and that makes it way harder to drive/penetrate, harder for your teammates to get open.

Hmm, maybe Scoot could benefit from the extra year in the g-league so that he can, oh I don't know, maybe work on his outside shot?

Bill Russell "wasted" 4 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Kareem "wasted" 4 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Tim Duncan "wasted" 4 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Jordan "wasted" 3 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Ginobili didn't play in the NBA till age 25. He turned out ok.
Magic "wasted" 2 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Bird "wasted" 3 yrs in college and turned 23 just a month into his rookie year. He turned out ok.
Shaq "wasted" 3 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
I'm sure Iverson would tell you the 1 year he "wasted" at Georgetown, learning and being mentored by the late great John Thompson made a massive difference in him having the type of NBA career he did
Steph Curry "wasted" 3 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Chris Paul "wasted" 2 yrs in college. He turned out ok.
Kevin Durant "wasted" 1 yr in college. He turned out ok.
Anthony Davis "wasted" 1 yr in college. He turned out ok.


the % of HS guys turning out good is actually great.

Kobe HOF
KG HOF
Jermaine O'Neal All-star
McGrady HOF
Al Harrington was solid in his prime. good career
Rashad Lewis All-star
Bender bust but did get a 2nd contract. Got paid. Millionaire.
Leon Smith bust
Darius Miles Not a bust. Got paid a lot of money. Decent career
Stevenson Not a bust. Wild, but not a bust.
Kwame Brown not a complete bust. He did get decent contracts after his rookie deal ended. Just not #1 standard.
Tyson Chandler All Defence, NBA champion, was Key in that championship
Eddy Curry he was a beast down low. Got a huge contract for a reason. Not a bust.
Diop not a bust. Not a good player but he played in the league. Most 1st round picks dont
Amare HOF probably
Lebron Goat
Travis Outlaw solid NBA career. 2 or 3 contracts after his rookie deal
Edi bust
Perkins solid starter throughout his career. Long career
Dwight hof
livingston would have been an all-star before injury, turned out decent coming back
Swift Bust
Telfair bust
Al Jefferson All-star
Josh smith All-star
JR Smith Solid NBA career
Dorell Wright played a couple years. I wouldn't call him a compete bust
Webster had a decent career
Bynum got a huge contract. Played well at times.
Gerald Green decent NBA career
CJ Miles decent NBA career
Monta Ellis solid nba career
lou williams one of the best 6th men of alll time
Blatche wasn't a bust. he was decent
Amir Johnson solid NBA career


There's 35 players there that went straight to the NBA. 4 were busts. I didn't mention James lang and leon smith. Those % are great and better than the % of guys who went to college. Guaranteed.
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Re: 2022 G League Ignite guys 

Post#88 » by PhilBlackson » Thu Dec 9, 2021 11:04 pm

Anyways....Scoot is that dude.
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Post#89 » by Marcus » Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:29 am

PhilBlackson wrote:Anyways....Scoot is that dude.


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Post#90 » by Hal14 » Fri Dec 17, 2021 3:41 am

Anyone else watch this game and come away thinking, "holy cow, Jaden Hardy can't play defense" ?

Really bad D by him this game, especially at 2:05, 3:40 and 5:02 mark here:



Hardy is really struggling. Pretty much all of the advanced stats have him at or near the bottom of the team, well behind Daniels and Beauchamp. He's at or near the bottom of the team in win shares, win shares per 48 mins, offensive rating, defensive rating, PER, TS%, etc.

He's supposed to be an elite shooter, but only shooting 30% from 3.

Only a 9 game sample so we don't want to overreact. But at least for now, I can't see him as a lottery pick. How far are you guys dropping him?
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Post#91 » by GimmeDat » Mon Dec 20, 2021 11:10 am

Daniels has exceeded my expectations, in all honesty. Knew he'd be good on the defensive end, but he's been really solid offensively too.

Still got a lot of things to develop on that end, the shot needs to come around but the form's looking solid and 14/17 FT, FTr very low, but he's still finding ways to score the ball, obviously the floater is great.. it's been encouraging for me.
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Post#92 » by MemphisX » Mon Dec 20, 2021 11:20 am

Hal14 wrote:Anyone else watch this game and come away thinking, "holy cow, Jaden Hardy can't play defense" ?

Really bad D by him this game, especially at 2:05, 3:40 and 5:02 mark here:



Hardy is really struggling. Pretty much all of the advanced stats have him at or near the bottom of the team, well behind Daniels and Beauchamp. He's at or near the bottom of the team in win shares, win shares per 48 mins, offensive rating, defensive rating, PER, TS%, etc.

He's supposed to be an elite shooter, but only shooting 30% from 3.

Only a 9 game sample so we don't want to overreact. But at least for now, I can't see him as a lottery pick. How far are you guys dropping him?


Still top 10.
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Post#93 » by RollingWave » Mon Dec 20, 2021 11:45 am

At this point in the season you still gotta take the highschool sample more than the G league sample right? and this is clearly a higher level than college.

Is he playing worse than Brandon Boston Jr last year? I'd say not really? and looking at Boston this year though he's not exactly lighting the world on fire I'd say 51 was still way too right? probably should at worst be somewhere around 30.

I dunno, I'd say if I can get Hardy late lotto or beyond I'd be pretty darn happy, top 10 I'd feel queezy as of now at least.

They had a few more games lately since I updated.

Scoot: cooled off big time and starting to show his warts, 3 is clearly nowhere close, throws a lot of careless passes, but the physicality is impressive espeically how he looks like one of the better defenders out there despite being the youngest.

Hardy: still shaky, at least he's no long gun shy from 3 I guess? but still not really hitting them all that often.

Beauchamp: has some variance in terms of being sometimes the best guy on the team and occasionally very quite, but on net still very nice, other than the part where he's not really hitting 3s much, but it doesn't look like a broken shot at least.

Daniels: impressive, there are some variance especially on offense, but as long as you're not asking him to be the primary PG I think he'll get there eventually, finds niches, shot is ehhh but you can see it get to at least adequte spot up. defensively very impressive, he really jumps up HIGH. it'd be nice if he leverage that athletism more on offense.

Foster: by far the most consistent of these guys and it's not very close, I can't think of even one bad game from him, always between solid to very good, kinda the only guy on this group who can consistently get something going. can play like he has blinders on and try to go one on 5 at times, but given that most of the games he's going up against guys who's been in the NBA, it's really impressive. He might be like a more balanced version of Montrez Harrell or something.

Zeng: has been having a lot of real struggles combined with some really bad luck (got sick after booster shots.) but at least the latest game he's finally looked pretty decent (but in only 10 minutes.) really hope he can find some consistency and show us what he can really do, so far he's either had occasional flashes in small sample or just played himself off the court.

Overall this Ignite team really hasn't played the way I had imagine they'd do coming in, they're nowaday a surprisingly scrappy defensive team, when they have most of Scoot / Beauchamp / Daniels / Foster out there they're really hard to score against (at least whenever they manage to actually get into a half court defense set.) , the only 3 guys that's not a real positive on defense is Hardy (Who at least tries I feel most of the time. ) Jeter (who's old and very small) and Zeng (who can have flashes of brilliance but usually looks like he's never played against guys of his own level athletically and makes a lot of dumb fouls.)

On offense in the half-court they're a mess, outside of the few awesome Scoot (or Beauchamp) games they rarely get consistent initial seperations, and they mess up the basic stuff enough where they can't run more complicated motions consistently, and they don't have much spacing either as the guy they're counting on shooting coming in have mostly sucked at actually hitting (Hardy) or can't get on the floor enough to matter ( Zeng, who's hitting like over 50% of his 3s so far, but on tiny samples) only Pooh Jeter is hittings 3s for this team but that's mostly self created. There's few limited number of time you see them actually take a open C&S 3s off a serious drive. (and hitting them.)
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Post#94 » by GSWFan1994 » Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:20 pm

So, Scoot Henderson in this G-League season (11 games): 14/5/4 + 1,6 steals on 44/17/78 shooting, and most importantly, on only 24 mpg.

Clearly playing very well, for his age, at this level of competition.

Guy looks like a surefire top 3 pick in the 2023 draft.
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Post#95 » by clyde21 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:07 am

GSWFan1994 wrote:So, Scoot Henderson in this G-League season (11 games): 14/5/4 + 1,6 steals on 44/17/78 shooting, and most importantly, on only 24 mpg.

Clearly playing very well, for his age, at this level of competition.

Guy looks like a surefire top 3 pick in the 2023 draft.


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Post#96 » by BostonCouchGM » Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:34 am

GSWFan1994 wrote:So, Scoot Henderson in this G-League season (11 games): 14/5/4 + 1,6 steals on 44/17/78 shooting, and most importantly, on only 24 mpg.

Clearly playing very well, for his age, at this level of competition.

Guy looks like a surefire top 3 pick in the 2023 draft.


2023 draft class is an all-timer. While I love the kid, there are 8-12 can't miss guys and at least a handful I'd take over Scoot. But he may still be growing and has time to improve his shot so who knows where he'll be by draft day.
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Post#97 » by EvanZ » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:12 pm

People are sleeping the most on that MF.
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Post#98 » by WargamesX » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:32 pm

I like this group. I don’t think they have the ceilings of Green or Kuminga but they feel like they will all stick to the league and have good careers. Especially if they go on teams that value guys who can play team defense.
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Post#99 » by SeattleJazzFan » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:37 pm

GSWFan1994 wrote:So, Scoot Henderson in this G-League season (11 games): 14/5/4 + 1,6 steals on 44/17/78 shooting, and most importantly, on only 24 mpg.

Clearly playing very well, for his age, at this level of competition.

Guy looks like a surefire top 3 pick in the 2023 draft.


depends on how he develops next year. 14, 5 and 4 on those shooting splits in the g-league sucks. but of course he's only 17 (18?). the point being, since those numbers do suck, but probably fine for somebody as young as him, everything rides on him being able to take a leap (especially with his long range shooting) next year and get to more respectable numbers as he matures and his game matures.

tl;dr - too early to say he's a top 3 pick in a strong 2023 draft.
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Post#100 » by treefi » Sat Jan 22, 2022 1:36 am

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GSWFan1994 wrote:So, Scoot Henderson in this G-League season (11 games): 14/5/4 + 1,6 steals on 44/17/78 shooting, and most importantly, on only 24 mpg.

Clearly playing very well, for his age, at this level of competition.

Guy looks like a surefire top 3 pick in the 2023 draft.


depends on how he develops next year. 14, 5 and 4 on those shooting splits in the g-league sucks. but of course he's only 17 (18?). the point being, since those numbers do suck, but probably fine for somebody as young as him, everything rides on him being able to take a leap (especially with his long range shooting) next year and get to more respectable numbers as he matures and his game matures.

tl;dr - too early to say he's a top 3 pick in a strong 2023 draft.


Those numbers do not "suck" for a 17-year-old playing 24mpg against grown men on a team stacked with 3-5 future first round picks that are all older than him.

For example: Daishen Nix averaged 8.8ppg, 5.3rpg, 5.3apg on 38.4% shooting, 17.6% from 3 on 26.5mpg last year for the Ignite. This year he's averaging 30.0ppg, 7.3rpg, 6.7apg on 55.9% shooting, 50.0% from 3 for the Vipers because he's now the focal point of an offense on a team that's not nearly as stacked.

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