2021 Rookie Thread

yoyoboy · Post #81 » by **yoyoboy** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:22 am

Jalen Green is just atrocious at basketball right now. He doesn't belong anywhere near an All-Rookie Team.

WargamesX · Post #82 » by **WargamesX** » Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:46 am

Evan Mobley performance over Nerlins Noel tonight solidified him as the NBA ROY in my opinion. He went on 6-12 FG shooting for 15 pts, 12 rebs, 5 Dimes, and NO fouls in 38 min. Without Jarrett Allen playing too.

Noel is actually a really good defender for the position too, so that is another testament to that stat line.

Post #83 » by **Duke4life831** » Tue Feb 8, 2022 9:02 pm

How high does Kuminga go in a redraft if it were to take place today? 3rd maybe?

GSWFan1994 · Post #84 » by **GSWFan1994** » Wed Feb 9, 2022 8:40 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:How high does Kuminga go in a redraft if it were to take place today? 3rd maybe?

I think no higher than 4... I still think Cade, Mobley and Barnes are the better players right now, and will be in the future.

LewisnotMiller · Post #85 » by **LewisnotMiller** » Sat Feb 12, 2022 11:02 pm

yoyoboy wrote:
clyde21 wrote:what are the rookie teams right now?

Team 1
Josh Giddey
Cade Cunningham
Scottie Barnes
Franz Wagner
Evan Mobley

Team 2
Jalen Green
Chris Duarte
Herbert Jones
Jonathan Kuminga
Alperen Sengun

Looks good for the most part, but personally I'd hope to see Davion Mitchell make it over Jalen Green. Green has legitimately hurt his team tremendously this year.

Green is the borderline one for me, but he has looked maybe a touch more controlled of late. Given his role and opportunity, I'd guess he ends up in.

Have to admit, don't have much of an idea re : Jones, past what I heard on a couple of podcasts. Ayo or Yurtseven in the mix??

LewisnotMiller · Post #86 » by **LewisnotMiller** » Sat Feb 12, 2022 11:10 pm

GSWFan1994 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:How high does Kuminga go in a redraft if it were to take place today? 3rd maybe?

I think no higher than 4... I still think Cade, Mobley and Barnes are the better players right now, and will be in the future.

First tier seems to be Cade, Mobley and Barnes in some order.

Second tier of Giddey, Kuminga and Wagner (surprising as that is to me!)

So 4-6 range I think.

clyde21 · Post #87 » by **clyde21** » Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:10 am

LewisnotMiller wrote:
GSWFan1994 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:How high does Kuminga go in a redraft if it were to take place today? 3rd maybe?

I think no higher than 4... I still think Cade, Mobley and Barnes are the better players right now, and will be in the future.

First tier seems to be Cade, Mobley and Barnes in some order.

Second tier of Giddey, Kuminga and Wagner (surprising as that is to me!)

So 4-6 range I think.

nothing really changed THAT much for me, I had Mobley/Cade 1 and 2 and think they'd be the top2 guys in a redraft.

after that I had the Jalens, maybe Minga goes ahead of them? Wagner for sure goes higher.

i think it's still early enough where most GMs would still trust their boards at this point (except the ones that didn't have Mobley #1).

clyde21 · Post #88 » by **clyde21** » Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:19 am

proud of my boy Q, earned himself some minutes tonight

Post #89 » by **zimpy27** » Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:58 am

Who do you guys think will be better, Kuminga or Barnes?

clyde21 · Post #90 » by **clyde21** » Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:05 am

zimpy27 wrote:Who do you guys think will be better, Kuminga or Barnes?

had them pretty much neck and neck coming out, Barnes was 7th, Minga was 8th, it'll be interesting to watch it's tough to answer that at this point, might come down of type of player you like

i know i didnt answer that :lol:

Post #91 » by **zimpy27** » Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:10 am

clyde21 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Who do you guys think will be better, Kuminga or Barnes?

had them pretty much neck and neck coming out, Barnes was 7th, Minga was 8th, it'll be interesting to watch it's tough to answer that at this point, might come down of type of player you like

i know i didnt answer that

It's close, I think you answered it. You feel like it will be Kuminga but it feels biased to say it. It is close though.

Post #92 » by **Duke4life831** » Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:45 am

zimpy27 wrote:Who do you guys think will be better, Kuminga or Barnes?

Im obviously biased on this because Ive been mayor of Kumigna island since it was formed haha. But ya I will go with Kumigna. I honestly think he is one of those rare freak athletes that his physical advantage is just something special. Those guys just tend to find ways to be great, even if it is just basically relying on that freak physical advantage. I think Kuminga has that level of an advantage and is in the perfect situation where he gets to slowly work on the skills of the game and do that within a team that is filled with skilled guys.

Just like Kawhi with San Antonio. Butler in Chicago. Brown in Boston. All of them got to build up game experience and confidence in their game, without having too big of an offensive load to carry, which also helps build good habits as well. I think Kuminga is in a similar situation with GS.

LewisnotMiller · Post #93 » by **LewisnotMiller** » Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:35 pm

clyde21 wrote:
LewisnotMiller wrote:
GSWFan1994 wrote:
I think no higher than 4... I still think Cade, Mobley and Barnes are the better players right now, and will be in the future.

First tier seems to be Cade, Mobley and Barnes in some order.

Second tier of Giddey, Kuminga and Wagner (surprising as that is to me!)

So 4-6 range I think.

nothing really changed THAT much for me, I had Mobley/Cade 1 and 2 and think they'd be the top2 guys in a redraft.

after that I had the Jalens, maybe Minga goes ahead of them? Wagner for sure goes higher.

i think it's still early enough where most GMs would still trust their boards at this point (except the ones that didn't have Mobley #1).

Mostly agree, but I'm not convinced some wouldn't still have Cade #1. No doubt Mobley has been the pick so far though.

Orlando might just switch the order of their two picks and still end up with the same guys...lol

Post #94 » by **ThunderBolt** » Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:16 pm

I know Giddey isn’t the best rookie and his offense is still a question. That being said, it’s such a relief to know that despite getting unlucky in the draft with our own pick and the Houston pick, we found a good player. Giddey’s floor looks pretty dang high right now.

Post #95 » by **zimpy27** » Thu Feb 17, 2022 10:33 am

ThunderBolt wrote:I know Giddey isn’t the best rookie and his offense is still a question. That being said, it’s such a relief to know that despite getting unlucky in the draft with our own pick and the Houston pick, we found a good player. Giddey’s floor looks pretty dang high right now.

Yeah I thought a lot of him pre-draft but I think he's even better than I expected. I had a realistic expectation set at Ingles/Rubio starter level. I felt he had a high floor and medium upside. Main thing for his upside was whether he was going to be able to use his lower body strength like Doncic to get scoring opportunities without needing speed and I feel like he is doing that and can build off it.

I think his upside is higher now.

Kobblehead · Post #96 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:23 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:How high does Kuminga go in a redraft if it were to take place today? 3rd maybe?

Other than point production (which we all knew he could provide), what traits has he unveiled that improves his stock?

His passing and defense is still relatively non-existent. He still can't shoot. His rebounding is still ordinary.

Post #97 » by **Duke4life831** » Fri Feb 25, 2022 4:14 am

Kobblehead wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:How high does Kuminga go in a redraft if it were to take place today? 3rd maybe?

Other than point production (which we all knew he could provide), what traits has he unveiled that improves his stock?

His passing and defense is still relatively non-existent. He still can't shoot. His rebounding is still ordinary.

So I take it you haven't been watching him play then. He's literally asked to defend the opposing team's best player 1-5. But ya his defense is non-existent...

These are his per 36 over the last 20 games
21/7/2 on 58 eFG% and 61 TS%. While again defending the opposing team's best player. Oh and he's a 6'8 freak athlete.

Kobblehead · Post #98 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Feb 25, 2022 4:41 am

Duke4life831 wrote:So I take it you haven't been watching him play then. He's literally asked to defend the opposing team's best player 1-5. But ya his defense is non-existent...

These are his per 36 over the last 20 games
21/7/2 on 58 eFG% and 61 TS%. While again defending the opposing team's best player. Oh and he's a 6'8 freak athlete.

I don't think him being asked to do something matters if he's not making any real impact in doing said thing. His steal percentage and block percentage is non-existent. He makes no plays defensively.

And again, he doesn't shoot or pass. So what's impressive other than his per-minute point production?

If he develops some skills or traits, maybe we can revisit. But as of now, he's the same shallow talent he was in the G-League. Point production with no pass, shoot, or defense.

Post #99 » by **Duke4life831** » Fri Feb 25, 2022 4:49 am

Kobblehead wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:So I take it you haven't been watching him play then. He's literally asked to defend the opposing team's best player 1-5. But ya his defense is non-existent...

These are his per 36 over the last 20 games
21/7/2 on 58 eFG% and 61 TS%. While again defending the opposing team's best player. Oh and he's a 6'8 freak athlete.

I don't think him being asked to do something matters if he's not making any real impact in doing said thing. His steal percentage and block percentage is non-existent. He makes no plays defensively.

And again, he doesn't shoot or pass. So what's impressive other than his per-minute point production?

If he develops some skills or traits, maybe we can revisit. But as of now, he's the same shallow talent he was in the G-League. Point production with no pass, shoot, or defense.

So let me get this straight, over his last 20 games he is getting 20+ mpg. During that time he is being asked to defend the opposing team's best player. He is also doing this for the best defensive team in the NBA. Yet he is player with no defense?

And again if the question is what is impressive for a 19 year old who has a per 36 of 21/7/2 on 61 TS% on a top tier team. If that is a shallow talent, I guess we just have a very different idea on what a shallow talent is.

Kobblehead · Post #100 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:47 pm

Him "being asked to" do whatever is anecdotal. His steal and block percentages show that he's making no plays defensively.

His 7.5% assist percentage shows that he's a bad passer with little to no ball movement when he does get touches.

His 16.5% defensive rebounding percentage despite playing 87% of his minutes at PF/C show that he's having no impact on the glass.

And he's still a bad shooter with bad free throw percentages.

The only thing I can really see that is good is that he's a twitchy athlete that can score assisted buckets on a high per-minute basis. Until he actually develops some skills and makes strides in basketball traits like rebounding, steals, blocks, assists, shooting, I'm not going to be impressed by the shallow aspects. He's got promise, but he needs to actually develop some basketball skills and round out his game.