Jabari Smith Jr. - Auburn

[Catchall]

Reminds a bit of pre-injury Harry Giles. Not quite as explosive as Chris Bosh.

[Ell Curry]

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I mean it shows he's not getting to the bucket enough, might suggest a lack of handle, since his finishing numbers inside are superb (76%).

Not sure it matters a ton, though, he's 6'10, can shoot it and is grabbing 2 steals and one block per game, but maybe if he doesn't score more efficiently inside the arc it could push him to 2nd or 3rd.

[whitehops]

there's obviously a lot of season left to get more tape/stats/reports on character but from what i've seen of smith jr. (no full games, just highlights and scouting reports) there's nothing that screams "#1 overall pick" to me. he's an intriguing prospect but at this point i don't see what clearly separates him from any of the other top guys.

at this point to me his three point shooting and fluidity/potential to switch defensively are the most intriguing parts of his game. i also don't see him as a potential center at all, he looks way more suited to the perimeter as a 4 that can slide down to the 3.

[clyde21]

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useless stat

I mean it shows he's not getting to the bucket enough, might suggest a lack of handle, since his finishing numbers inside are superb (76%).

Not sure it matters a ton, though, he's 6'10, can shoot it and is grabbing 2 steals and one block per game, but maybe if he doesn't score more efficiently inside the arc it could push him to 2nd or 3rd.

the only thing that it suggests is that other 6-10 college players don't nearly take the amount of difficult shots he takes. FG% is useless without type of shots being taken.

[Ell Curry]

useless stat

I mean it shows he's not getting to the bucket enough, might suggest a lack of handle, since his finishing numbers inside are superb (76%).

Not sure it matters a ton, though, he's 6'10, can shoot it and is grabbing 2 steals and one block per game, but maybe if he doesn't score more efficiently inside the arc it could push him to 2nd or 3rd.

the only thing that it suggests is that other 6-10 college players don't nearly take the amount of difficult shots he takes. FG% is useless without type of shots being taken.

Right but it's good to take easier shots. He might not know how to leverage his jumper into easier buckets yet. It could be coaching, and he's so young I don't think it's a huge concern yet, but it was the red flag that proved right in Harrison Barnes not being the elite scorer he was expected to be and the huge bust Thomas Robinson was. But like Barnes, his floor is so damn high he might go first anyways.

But yeah, if he shoots 45% from 2 all year and Chet is shooting 77% from 2 (much easier looks and better teammates obviously) and Banchero 54% on a similar diet of shots, that's going to be hard to ignore

[clyde21]

I mean it shows he's not getting to the bucket enough, might suggest a lack of handle, since his finishing numbers inside are superb (76%).

Not sure it matters a ton, though, he's 6'10, can shoot it and is grabbing 2 steals and one block per game, but maybe if he doesn't score more efficiently inside the arc it could push him to 2nd or 3rd.

the only thing that it suggests is that other 6-10 college players don't nearly take the amount of difficult shots he takes. FG% is useless without type of shots being taken.

Right but it's good to take easier shots. He might not know how to leverage his jumper into easier buckets yet. It could be coaching, and he's so young I don't think it's a huge concern yet, but it was the red flag that proved right in Harrison Barnes not being the elite scorer he was expected to be and the huge bust Thomas Robinson was. But like Barnes, his floor is so damn high he might go first anyways.

But yeah, if he shoots 45% from 2 all year and Chet is shooting 77% from 2 (much easier looks and better teammates obviously) and Banchero 54% on a similar diet of shots, that's going to be hard to ignore

well yea, if he's purposely shooting Kobe difficulty shots for **** and giggles that's obviously not a good look, but that's a separate analysis altogether and has nothing to do with raw FG%

context has to be applied to the tweet otherwise, again, it's meaningless...Jabari's shot versatility for a 6-10 is almost unheard of at the collegiate level...no one else is taking the shots he takes at his size. that's why it doesn't make sense to compare FG%s in this way.

[azcatz11]

the only thing that it suggests is that other 6-10 college players don't nearly take the amount of difficult shots he takes. FG% is useless without type of shots being taken.

Right but it's good to take easier shots. He might not know how to leverage his jumper into easier buckets yet. It could be coaching, and he's so young I don't think it's a huge concern yet, but it was the red flag that proved right in Harrison Barnes not being the elite scorer he was expected to be and the huge bust Thomas Robinson was. But like Barnes, his floor is so damn high he might go first anyways.

But yeah, if he shoots 45% from 2 all year and Chet is shooting 77% from 2 (much easier looks and better teammates obviously) and Banchero 54% on a similar diet of shots, that's going to be hard to ignore

well yea, if he's purposely shooting Kobe difficulty shots for **** and giggles that's obviously not a good look, but that's a separate analysis altogether and has nothing to do with raw FG%

context has to be applied to the tweet otherwise, again, it's meaningless...Jabari's shot versatility for a 6-10 is almost unheard of at the collegiate level...no one else is taking the shots he takes at his size. that's why it doesn't make sense to compare FG%s in this way.

I think I see what you're saying. What percentage of college guys over 6'10 are not playing primarily in the post and getting those easy buckets. My guess would be a very small percentage.

[clyde21]

Right but it's good to take easier shots. He might not know how to leverage his jumper into easier buckets yet. It could be coaching, and he's so young I don't think it's a huge concern yet, but it was the red flag that proved right in Harrison Barnes not being the elite scorer he was expected to be and the huge bust Thomas Robinson was. But like Barnes, his floor is so damn high he might go first anyways.

But yeah, if he shoots 45% from 2 all year and Chet is shooting 77% from 2 (much easier looks and better teammates obviously) and Banchero 54% on a similar diet of shots, that's going to be hard to ignore

well yea, if he's purposely shooting Kobe difficulty shots for **** and giggles that's obviously not a good look, but that's a separate analysis altogether and has nothing to do with raw FG%

context has to be applied to the tweet otherwise, again, it's meaningless...Jabari's shot versatility for a 6-10 is almost unheard of at the collegiate level...no one else is taking the shots he takes at his size. that's why it doesn't make sense to compare FG%s in this way.

I think I see what you're saying. What percentage of college guys over 6'10 are not playing primarily in the post and getting those easy buckets. My guess would be a very small percentage.

none of them, almost no 6-10 or above is doing what Jabari is doing right now in terms of his scoring/shooting repertoire.

[azcatz11]

well yea, if he's purposely shooting Kobe difficulty shots for **** and giggles that's obviously not a good look, but that's a separate analysis altogether and has nothing to do with raw FG%

context has to be applied to the tweet otherwise, again, it's meaningless...Jabari's shot versatility for a 6-10 is almost unheard of at the collegiate level...no one else is taking the shots he takes at his size. that's why it doesn't make sense to compare FG%s in this way.

I think I see what you're saying. What percentage of college guys over 6'10 are not playing primarily in the post and getting those easy buckets. My guess would be a very small percentage.

none of them, almost no 6-10 or above is doing what Jabari is doing right now in terms of his scoring/shooting repertoire.

His mid range game reminds me of Boris Diaw (I know they’re not similar prospects)

[Ell Curry]

the only thing that it suggests is that other 6-10 college players don't nearly take the amount of difficult shots he takes. FG% is useless without type of shots being taken.

Right but it's good to take easier shots. He might not know how to leverage his jumper into easier buckets yet. It could be coaching, and he's so young I don't think it's a huge concern yet, but it was the red flag that proved right in Harrison Barnes not being the elite scorer he was expected to be and the huge bust Thomas Robinson was. But like Barnes, his floor is so damn high he might go first anyways.

But yeah, if he shoots 45% from 2 all year and Chet is shooting 77% from 2 (much easier looks and better teammates obviously) and Banchero 54% on a similar diet of shots, that's going to be hard to ignore

well yea, if he's purposely shooting Kobe difficulty shots for **** and giggles that's obviously not a good look, but that's a separate analysis altogether and has nothing to do with raw FG%

context has to be applied to the tweet otherwise, again, it's meaningless...Jabari's shot versatility for a 6-10 is almost unheard of at the collegiate level...no one else is taking the shots he takes at his size. that's why it doesn't make sense to compare FG%s in this way.

It's shot selection of course it does. Either he's taking long 2s because he's settling, his coaching, or he doesn't have the handle. Those are all correctable though. He's so young.

Personally I haven't seen enough to know. I just wouldn't be shocked if it's enough of a red flag for teams that worry he'll just be Rudy Gay or Wiggins and that would bump him down from the first spot for sure, though he has a positive assists to turnover ratio and those stock numbers, so it may not matter.

[clyde21]

Right but it's good to take easier shots. He might not know how to leverage his jumper into easier buckets yet. It could be coaching, and he's so young I don't think it's a huge concern yet, but it was the red flag that proved right in Harrison Barnes not being the elite scorer he was expected to be and the huge bust Thomas Robinson was. But like Barnes, his floor is so damn high he might go first anyways.

But yeah, if he shoots 45% from 2 all year and Chet is shooting 77% from 2 (much easier looks and better teammates obviously) and Banchero 54% on a similar diet of shots, that's going to be hard to ignore

well yea, if he's purposely shooting Kobe difficulty shots for **** and giggles that's obviously not a good look, but that's a separate analysis altogether and has nothing to do with raw FG%

context has to be applied to the tweet otherwise, again, it's meaningless...Jabari's shot versatility for a 6-10 is almost unheard of at the collegiate level...no one else is taking the shots he takes at his size. that's why it doesn't make sense to compare FG%s in this way.

It's shot selection of course it does. Either he's taking long 2s because he's settling, his coaching, or he doesn't have the handle. Those are all correctable though. He's so young.

Personally I haven't seen enough to know. I just wouldn't be shocked if it's enough of a red flag for teams that worry he'll just be Rudy Gay or Wiggins and that would bump him down from the first spot for sure, though he has a positive assists to turnover ratio and those stock numbers, so it may not matter.

im not even sure what you're trying to see or disagreeing with

are you saying Jabari has bad shot selection? if so please show evidence.

[Ell Curry]

well yea, if he's purposely shooting Kobe difficulty shots for **** and giggles that's obviously not a good look, but that's a separate analysis altogether and has nothing to do with raw FG%

context has to be applied to the tweet otherwise, again, it's meaningless...Jabari's shot versatility for a 6-10 is almost unheard of at the collegiate level...no one else is taking the shots he takes at his size. that's why it doesn't make sense to compare FG%s in this way.

It's shot selection of course it does. Either he's taking long 2s because he's settling, his coaching, or he doesn't have the handle. Those are all correctable though. He's so young.

Personally I haven't seen enough to know. I just wouldn't be shocked if it's enough of a red flag for teams that worry he'll just be Rudy Gay or Wiggins and that would bump him down from the first spot for sure, though he has a positive assists to turnover ratio and those stock numbers, so it may not matter.

im not even sure what you're trying to see or disagreeing with

are you saying Jabari has bad shot selection? if so please show evidence.

I'm not. I'm saying that if a guy shoots 45% from 2 he probably won't go first overall unless teams have something to make them feel better about that, preferably coaching and/or a lack of spacing, but it's possible that if teams think he's settling but doesn't have to or his handle is way behind so he has to, but that he can show improvement by working on it after the season, he might be okay.

Are you saying he's shooting 45% from 2 because he's just been cold from long 2s? It's a small sample size so it's possible. Banchero is taking the same number of "far 2s" according to Torvik and shooting 43% to Smith's 28% from there. If those numbers are similar by the end of the year that will obviously matter to teams; They'll worry he's too stiff or soft to be a #1 scorer and will be a stretch 4 who makes plays on D which is still a top 5 pick probably, but it might cost him the first overall spot to Banchero or Holmgren.

[clyde21]

It's shot selection of course it does. Either he's taking long 2s because he's settling, his coaching, or he doesn't have the handle. Those are all correctable though. He's so young.

Personally I haven't seen enough to know. I just wouldn't be shocked if it's enough of a red flag for teams that worry he'll just be Rudy Gay or Wiggins and that would bump him down from the first spot for sure, though he has a positive assists to turnover ratio and those stock numbers, so it may not matter.

im not even sure what you're trying to see or disagreeing with

are you saying Jabari has bad shot selection? if so please show evidence.

I'm not. I'm saying that if a guy shoots 45% from 2 he probably won't go first overall unless teams have something to make them feel better about that, preferably coaching and/or a lack of spacing, but it's possible that if teams think he's settling but doesn't have to or his handle is way behind so he has to, but that he can show improvement by working on it after the season, he might be okay.

Are you saying he's shooting 45% from 2 because he's just been cold from long 2s? It's a small sample size so it's possible. Banchero is taking the same number of "far 2s" according to Torvik and shooting 43% to Smith's 28% from there. If those numbers are similar by the end of the year that will obviously matter to teams; They'll worry he's too stiff or soft to be a #1 scorer and will be a stretch 4 who makes plays on D which is still a top 5 pick probably, but it might cost him the first overall spot to Banchero or Holmgren.

if you're not gonna draft Jabari because he "shoots 45% from 2" without understanding the context and drafting based on meaningless standalone stats you deserve to be fired as a GM.

and I already explained what I'm saying twice already in the last page -- not really sure what you're not understanding. there isn't a single 6-10 player in college bball that has the same scoring repertoire that Jabari has. he's not like other 6-10 dudes out there that are just catching lobs and put backs, he's shooting off the dribble, pull-ups, turnarounds, fadeaways, step backs, and all at range. he's one of the most sophisticated scorers at his size we've seen recently so to compare him to other 6-10 guys and just listing FG% as if it means anything is inherently disingenuous.

and you just admitted yourself that you haven't even watched him play, so I'm not even sure what you're goin on about tbh.

[Ell Curry]

im not even sure what you're trying to see or disagreeing with

are you saying Jabari has bad shot selection? if so please show evidence.

I'm not. I'm saying that if a guy shoots 45% from 2 he probably won't go first overall unless teams have something to make them feel better about that, preferably coaching and/or a lack of spacing, but it's possible that if teams think he's settling but doesn't have to or his handle is way behind so he has to, but that he can show improvement by working on it after the season, he might be okay.

Are you saying he's shooting 45% from 2 because he's just been cold from long 2s? It's a small sample size so it's possible. Banchero is taking the same number of "far 2s" according to Torvik and shooting 43% to Smith's 28% from there. If those numbers are similar by the end of the year that will obviously matter to teams; They'll worry he's too stiff or soft to be a #1 scorer and will be a stretch 4 who makes plays on D which is still a top 5 pick probably, but it might cost him the first overall spot to Banchero or Holmgren.

if you're not gonna draft Jabari because he "shoots 45% from 2" without understanding the context and drafting based on meaningless standalone stats you deserve to be fired as a GM.

and I already explained what I'm saying twice already in the last page -- not really sure what you're not understanding. there isn't a single 6-10 player in college bball that has the same scoring repertoire that Jabari has. he's not like other 6-10 dudes out there that are just catching lobs and put backs, he's shooting off the dribble, pull-ups, turnarounds, fadeaways, he's one of the most sophisticated scorers at his size we've seen recently so to compare him to other 6-10 guys and just listing FG% as it means anything is inherently disingenuous.

Banchero takes as many non rim 2s. I get the argument for upside and confidence, but taking a wide variety of shots and missing them at an astonishing rate isn't inherently a plus. It's a missing repertoire right now not a scoring one once he steps inside the arc. You have to make some or a team has to think you will once they clean up your mechanics or your strength improves, which they might.

There's nothing disingenuous. It's a small sample size and he'll probably regress to the mean and hit them at closer to 40%. And if he doesn't a team might not care for the above reasons. But you'll hear a lot about it if the first pick is a tossup and his FG% is the same as most 6'0 guards, even if he does look great while taking them.

[clyde21]

I'm not. I'm saying that if a guy shoots 45% from 2 he probably won't go first overall unless teams have something to make them feel better about that, preferably coaching and/or a lack of spacing, but it's possible that if teams think he's settling but doesn't have to or his handle is way behind so he has to, but that he can show improvement by working on it after the season, he might be okay.

Are you saying he's shooting 45% from 2 because he's just been cold from long 2s? It's a small sample size so it's possible. Banchero is taking the same number of "far 2s" according to Torvik and shooting 43% to Smith's 28% from there. If those numbers are similar by the end of the year that will obviously matter to teams; They'll worry he's too stiff or soft to be a #1 scorer and will be a stretch 4 who makes plays on D which is still a top 5 pick probably, but it might cost him the first overall spot to Banchero or Holmgren.

if you're not gonna draft Jabari because he "shoots 45% from 2" without understanding the context and drafting based on meaningless standalone stats you deserve to be fired as a GM.

and I already explained what I'm saying twice already in the last page -- not really sure what you're not understanding. there isn't a single 6-10 player in college bball that has the same scoring repertoire that Jabari has. he's not like other 6-10 dudes out there that are just catching lobs and put backs, he's shooting off the dribble, pull-ups, turnarounds, fadeaways, he's one of the most sophisticated scorers at his size we've seen recently so to compare him to other 6-10 guys and just listing FG% as it means anything is inherently disingenuous.

Banchero takes as many non rim 2s. I get the argument for upside and confidence, but taking a wide variety of shots and missing them at an astonishing rate isn't inherently a plus. It's a missing repertoire right now not a scoring one once he steps inside the arc. You have to make some or a team has to think you will once they clean up your mechanics or your strength improves, which they might.

There's nothing disingenuous. It's a small sample size and he'll probably regress to the mean and hit them at closer to 40%. And if he doesn't a team might not care for the above reasons. But you'll hear a lot about it if the first pick is a tossup and his FG% is the same as most 6'0 guards, even if he does look great while taking them.

Banchero is shooting 48% from 2 himself, and doesn't take the same level of difficulty shots that Jabari consistently takes, again-it's not about volume, it's about degree of difficulty, which for some reason you're still not really understanding..?

name another 6-10 player in college bball this year or previous years that was taking shots at the level of complexity Jabari takes them? which 6-10 guy is taking pull-ups, step-backs, fadeways and turnaround Js at the volume Jabari takes them? i'd love to see the long list.

and yea, his FG% is in the guard range because he's playing primarily outside-in on offense for Auburn, if you watch the games this would be pretty obvious.

[Ell Curry]

if you're not gonna draft Jabari because he "shoots 45% from 2" without understanding the context and drafting based on meaningless standalone stats you deserve to be fired as a GM.

and I already explained what I'm saying twice already in the last page -- not really sure what you're not understanding. there isn't a single 6-10 player in college bball that has the same scoring repertoire that Jabari has. he's not like other 6-10 dudes out there that are just catching lobs and put backs, he's shooting off the dribble, pull-ups, turnarounds, fadeaways, he's one of the most sophisticated scorers at his size we've seen recently so to compare him to other 6-10 guys and just listing FG% as it means anything is inherently disingenuous.

Banchero takes as many non rim 2s. I get the argument for upside and confidence, but taking a wide variety of shots and missing them at an astonishing rate isn't inherently a plus. It's a missing repertoire right now not a scoring one once he steps inside the arc. You have to make some or a team has to think you will once they clean up your mechanics or your strength improves, which they might.

There's nothing disingenuous. It's a small sample size and he'll probably regress to the mean and hit them at closer to 40%. And if he doesn't a team might not care for the above reasons. But you'll hear a lot about it if the first pick is a tossup and his FG% is the same as most 6'0 guards, even if he does look great while taking them.

Banchero is shooting 48% from 2 himself, and doesn't take the same level of difficulty shots that Jabari consistently takes, again-it's not about volume, it's about degree of difficulty, which for some reason you're still not really understanding..?

name another 6-10 player in college bball this year or previous years that was taking shots at the level of complexity Jabari takes them? which 6-10 guy is taking pull-ups, step-backs, fadeways and turnaround Js at the volume Jabari takes him? i'd love to see the long list.

and yea, his FG% is in the guard range because he's playing primarily outside-in on offense for Auburn, if you watch the games this would be pretty obvious.

I think what you're missing is that taking (and missing) shots with a high degree of difficulty is a good thing AND a bad thing.

[clyde21]

Banchero takes as many non rim 2s. I get the argument for upside and confidence, but taking a wide variety of shots and missing them at an astonishing rate isn't inherently a plus. It's a missing repertoire right now not a scoring one once he steps inside the arc. You have to make some or a team has to think you will once they clean up your mechanics or your strength improves, which they might.

There's nothing disingenuous. It's a small sample size and he'll probably regress to the mean and hit them at closer to 40%. And if he doesn't a team might not care for the above reasons. But you'll hear a lot about it if the first pick is a tossup and his FG% is the same as most 6'0 guards, even if he does look great while taking them.

Banchero is shooting 48% from 2 himself, and doesn't take the same level of difficulty shots that Jabari consistently takes, again-it's not about volume, it's about degree of difficulty, which for some reason you're still not really understanding..?

name another 6-10 player in college bball this year or previous years that was taking shots at the level of complexity Jabari takes them? which 6-10 guy is taking pull-ups, step-backs, fadeways and turnaround Js at the volume Jabari takes him? i'd love to see the long list.

and yea, his FG% is in the guard range because he's playing primarily outside-in on offense for Auburn, if you watch the games this would be pretty obvious.

I think what you're missing is that taking (and missing) shots with a high degree of difficulty is a good thing AND a bad thing.

that's a completely separate argument which again I told you earlier...if your argument is that he takes **** shots, make that argument and provide evidence.

otherwise throwing around his 2pt FG% and comparing it to other 6-10+ players is completely meaningless.

[crows2]

Banchero is shooting 48% from 2 himself, and doesn't take the same level of difficulty shots that Jabari consistently takes, again-it's not about volume, it's about degree of difficulty, which for some reason you're still not really understanding..?

name another 6-10 player in college bball this year or previous years that was taking shots at the level of complexity Jabari takes them? which 6-10 guy is taking pull-ups, step-backs, fadeways and turnaround Js at the volume Jabari takes him? i'd love to see the long list.

and yea, his FG% is in the guard range because he's playing primarily outside-in on offense for Auburn, if you watch the games this would be pretty obvious.

I think what you're missing is that taking (and missing) shots with a high degree of difficulty is a good thing AND a bad thing.

that's a completely separate argument which again I told you earlier...if your argument is that he takes **** shots, make that argument and provide evidence.

otherwise throwing around his 2pt FG% and comparing it to other 6-10+ players is completely meaningless.

I’m not arguing either way at this stage, but you keep on stating that he takes more difficult shots than everyone else (and that they’re not bad shots despite the low %). Can you provide evidence of that?

[clyde21]

I think what you're missing is that taking (and missing) shots with a high degree of difficulty is a good thing AND a bad thing.

that's a completely separate argument which again I told you earlier...if your argument is that he takes **** shots, make that argument and provide evidence.

otherwise throwing around his 2pt FG% and comparing it to other 6-10+ players is completely meaningless.

I’m not arguing either way at this stage, but you keep on stating that he takes more difficult shots than everyone else (and that they’re not bad shots despite the low %). Can you provide evidence of that?

can you give me a single name of a 6-10 player in college that takes the same level of shots as Jabari? i'm sure it's a long list considering the need for that tweet.

[crows2]

that's a completely separate argument which again I told you earlier...if your argument is that he takes **** shots, make that argument and provide evidence.

otherwise throwing around his 2pt FG% and comparing it to other 6-10+ players is completely meaningless.

I’m not arguing either way at this stage, but you keep on stating that he takes more difficult shots than everyone else (and that they’re not bad shots despite the low %). Can you provide evidence of that?

can you give me a single name of a 6-10 player in college that takes the same level of shots as Jabari? i'm sure it's a long list considering the need for that tweet.

Mate as I said I’m not arguing either way. But you keep on asking the other guy for evidence to support his point whilst not providing any of your own evidence to support the point that you’re stating as fact. I’m genuinely interested to see evidence that Smith is taking more difficult shots than everyone else, and that they’re still not bad shots despite the low %.