The Sum of All Jeremiah Fears

[Catchall]

Fears is going to be one of the worst rookies in the league next year. He has no useful skills aside from an above average handle

what guard 6-3 or shorter has his build and is a good finisher without elite explosion ? that's why i don't see the devin harris or john wall comps, he lacks the explosion they have.

His "look' , thin, 6-3, not exactly thick bones and composition to create natural space.......doesn't align with his playing style

IMO, he wants to play like paul george to get into the paint, but has the height, body and look of Seth curry (with stephs dribbling and underhand finishes)

His rim rate success is low. .....If he had a 3 I would be all in. As of now i'm questioning if his paint style tranlates, but yet it could. I also don't know many guys his build looking to create contact. He has some nuance near the rim.

His role models are Damian Lillard and Kyrie Irving. It’s just that those guys are elite shotmakers and Fears isn't right now.

[JMAC3]

the only PG needy teams imho are the Bucks, Nets, Suns, Nuggets, Magic, Clippers, Kings, Warriors and Heat. Jazz and Wizards took similarly talented point guards last year and the Pelicans have committed to Dejounte Murray. I do think the Nets will use one of their 4 first round picks on one just not sure it'll be at #8. One of those PG needy teams will likely trade up with teams like the Rockets and Thunder who don't have room for more young players. It may even be the Nets themselves moving up should they use the #8 pick on Essengue or Carter. Nets with four 1st rounders are the most intriguing team in the draft.

Overrating guys that haven't even proven to be NBA starters. Bub Carrington and Collier were 3% and 4% overall epm players last year. Collier shot under 46% efg% and Bub was under 50%. They were drafted 14th and 29th in terrible draft classes, Neither one of these guys are anywhere close to passing on the BPA at 5. Pelicans were just the 4th worst team in the NBA, might be trading their franchise player, traded away Ingram for peanuts and Murray missed most of the year.

By this logic Pelicans don't need to draft anyone because they already have Dejounte- Herb-Murphy-Zion and Yves. All 5 of those guys are better than Collier.

Toronto passing over a PG because they have Quickley, Grady Dick and Jakobe Walter at guard already is why they are terrible in the first place.

yawn, here we go with the "terrible draft class" garbage again. People are still trying to make this a thing? Why are so many incapable of understanding young guys playing with other young guys on tanking teams aren't going to light up box scores and look consistently great as rookies? This is talent evaluation 101 ffs. BPA is determined by who btw? Because you and Givony said so? So if Fears goes 12th is that his BPA or would he still be 5th because that's what you believe?

As a reminder. Here are freshmen seasons comparisons

Fears - 17/4/4 and 28% from three
Collier - 16/3/4 and 34% from three
Carrington - 14/5/4 and 32% from three

tell me more about how "Neither one of these guys are anywhere close to passing on the BPA at 5" :lol

oh btw, was Fears ever thought of as a top 3 prospect if not #1 in his class like Collier was for a time? No? Interesting.

This draft class did suck and everything is pointing to that lol, Castle had one of the worst ROY campaigns in the last 10-15 years and still won the award because the competition was terrible.

[SkyHook]

Spoiler:

Overrating guys that haven't even proven to be NBA starters. Bub Carrington and Collier were 3% and 4% overall epm players last year. Collier shot under 46% efg% and Bub was under 50%. They were drafted 14th and 29th in terrible draft classes, Neither one of these guys are anywhere close to passing on the BPA at 5. Pelicans were just the 4th worst team in the NBA, might be trading their franchise player, traded away Ingram for peanuts and Murray missed most of the year.

By this logic Pelicans don't need to draft anyone because they already have Dejounte- Herb-Murphy-Zion and Yves. All 5 of those guys are better than Collier.

Toronto passing over a PG because they have Quickley, Grady Dick and Jakobe Walter at guard already is why they are terrible in the first place.

yawn, here we go with the "terrible draft class" garbage again. People are still trying to make this a thing? Why are so many incapable of understanding young guys playing with other young guys on tanking teams aren't going to light up box scores and look consistently great as rookies? This is talent evaluation 101 ffs. BPA is determined by who btw? Because you and Givony said so? So if Fears goes 12th is that his BPA or would he still be 5th because that's what you believe?

As a reminder. Here are freshmen seasons comparisons

Fears - 17/4/4 and 28% from three
Collier - 16/3/4 and 34% from three
Carrington - 14/5/4 and 32% from three

tell me more about how "Neither one of these guys are anywhere close to passing on the BPA at 5" :lol

oh btw, was Fears ever thought of as a top 3 prospect if not #1 in his class like Collier was for a time? No? Interesting.

This draft class did suck and everything is pointing to that lol, Castle had one of the worst ROY campaigns in the last 10-15 years and still won the award because the competition was terrible.

Worst ROY since Darrell Griffith.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Overrating guys that haven't even proven to be NBA starters. Bub Carrington and Collier were 3% and 4% overall epm players last year. Collier shot under 46% efg% and Bub was under 50%. They were drafted 14th and 29th in terrible draft classes, Neither one of these guys are anywhere close to passing on the BPA at 5. Pelicans were just the 4th worst team in the NBA, might be trading their franchise player, traded away Ingram for peanuts and Murray missed most of the year.

By this logic Pelicans don't need to draft anyone because they already have Dejounte- Herb-Murphy-Zion and Yves. All 5 of those guys are better than Collier.

Toronto passing over a PG because they have Quickley, Grady Dick and Jakobe Walter at guard already is why they are terrible in the first place.

yawn, here we go with the "terrible draft class" garbage again. People are still trying to make this a thing? Why are so many incapable of understanding young guys playing with other young guys on tanking teams aren't going to light up box scores and look consistently great as rookies? This is talent evaluation 101 ffs. BPA is determined by who btw? Because you and Givony said so? So if Fears goes 12th is that his BPA or would he still be 5th because that's what you believe?

As a reminder. Here are freshmen seasons comparisons

Fears - 17/4/4 and 28% from three
Collier - 16/3/4 and 34% from three
Carrington - 14/5/4 and 32% from three

tell me more about how "Neither one of these guys are anywhere close to passing on the BPA at 5" :lol

oh btw, was Fears ever thought of as a top 3 prospect if not #1 in his class like Collier was for a time? No? Interesting.

This draft class did suck and everything is pointing to that lol, Castle had one of the worst ROY campaigns in the last 10-15 years and still won the award because the competition was terrible.

sure Jan. 15/4/4 while playing stellar defense and that despite not even starting half the season. Guys weren't drafted into great situations to put up strong rookie seasons. It doesn't mean they don't have talent and won't prove to be good pros and make idiots who claim this is a weak draft look stupid in a few years.

[SeattleJazzFan]

Spoiler:

yawn, here we go with the "terrible draft class" garbage again. People are still trying to make this a thing? Why are so many incapable of understanding young guys playing with other young guys on tanking teams aren't going to light up box scores and look consistently great as rookies? This is talent evaluation 101 ffs. BPA is determined by who btw? Because you and Givony said so? So if Fears goes 12th is that his BPA or would he still be 5th because that's what you believe?

As a reminder. Here are freshmen seasons comparisons

Fears - 17/4/4 and 28% from three
Collier - 16/3/4 and 34% from three
Carrington - 14/5/4 and 32% from three

tell me more about how "Neither one of these guys are anywhere close to passing on the BPA at 5" :lol

oh btw, was Fears ever thought of as a top 3 prospect if not #1 in his class like Collier was for a time? No? Interesting.

This draft class did suck and everything is pointing to that lol, Castle had one of the worst ROY campaigns in the last 10-15 years and still won the award because the competition was terrible.

Worst ROY since Darrell Griffith.

darrell griffith? the same darrell griffith who averaged 21 ppg as a rookie? you're adorable.

[SkyHook]

Spoiler:

This draft class did suck and everything is pointing to that lol, Castle had one of the worst ROY campaigns in the last 10-15 years and still won the award because the competition was terrible.

Worst ROY since Darrell Griffith.

darrell griffith? the same darrell griffith who averaged 21 ppg as a rookie? you're adorable.

Yes. Yes I am.

Feel free to take some time to peruse the advanced stats of ROY winners over the past four decades; Dr. Dunkenstein's are the worst. Griffith scored on poor efficiency for a horrible team and contributed little else toward winning in his rookie season. I may be a Jazz fan, but I can at least try to be objective about Utah players.