Kon Knueppel

[EmpireFalls]

Man, I was really wrong about this kid. There’s no reason he can’t be a legit contributor at the NBA level. Think Desmond Bane mixed with Bojan Bogdanovic, underrated defense too. Just a super solid player with zero weaknesses and a legit super soaker jump shot. Every team could use him.

[XTC]

He honestly has a ton of Austin Reaves/Kris Middleton in his game. I'm a big fan, he is a complete baller. I could see him going top 5. That combination of shooting, and playmaking is fantastic.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Jarace Walker is similar offensively but much better defensively and can't get minutes in the crowded NBA and he's in his 2nd year. Knecht is similar offensively but a better athlete and he barely plays. I think it'll be tougher for Kon than people think.

[elias808]

Jarace Walker is similar offensively but much better defensively and can't get minutes in the crowded NBA and he's in his 2nd year. Knecht is similar offensively but a better athlete and he barely plays. I think it'll be tougher for Kon than people think.

I may be naive, but how is Jarace Walker similar offensively to Kon?

[Chuck Everett]

Jarace Walker is similar offensively but much better defensively and can't get minutes in the crowded NBA and he's in his 2nd year. Knecht is similar offensively but a better athlete and he barely plays. I think it'll be tougher for Kon than people think.

I may be naive, but how is Jarace Walker similar offensively to Kon?

Not very, but the point does stand. If Kon gets drafted to a team with a ton of wing depth, he might not get burn his rookie year. Look at Reed Sheppard. If Jarace had been drafted by the Wizards, he'd already be averaging 12-15ppg and get all the playing time he could stand. Now that doesn't mean, he would be a better player, but sometimes minutes are minutes. Pacers are one of the deepest teams in the league.

[mattg]

Jarace Walker is similar offensively but much better defensively and can't get minutes in the crowded NBA and he's in his 2nd year. Knecht is similar offensively but a better athlete and he barely plays. I think it'll be tougher for Kon than people think.

I'm not even stanning for Kon here, but this is an absurd comparison. Jarace Walker is NOWHERE near as skilled as Kon, not even in the same galaxy as a shooter compared to Kon and doesn't have the ball handling/playmaking/IQ combo to pair with it. Knecht isn't even close to the level of talent Kon is. Kon is far more fundamentally sound in literally every aspect of the game, more polished skill set all the way around and just soooooo much better off the ball than Knecht. Thicker/strong build than Knecht's much slighter frame which tracks with how Knecht is a super late bloomer who was a small skinny guard who then grew taller and filled out a bit after 5 years in college.

Kon will 100% get targeted in the NBA on perimeter defense, particularly by quicker ball handling guards. He'll be absolutely fine vs the big wings in the NBA, fine vs all the 3+D guys who attack closeouts, but will struggle with dudes who are dynamic with the ball in their hands and don't need a screen to make something happen off the bounce. But realistically most wings have that issue and most wings in the NBA don't have Kon's offensive skillset so there is that trade off.

[EmpireFalls]

Jarace Walker???????

[TheSuzerain]

Jarace Walker is similar offensively but much better defensively and can't get minutes in the crowded NBA and he's in his 2nd year. Knecht is similar offensively but a better athlete and he barely plays. I think it'll be tougher for Kon than people think.

Jarace Walker is similarly offensively? Is that a typo?

[greg4012]

Kon's assist to turnover ratio makes him intriguing. NBA defenders will take away most of his easy buckets he gets in college from his size. For instance Doug McDermott could shoot the hell out of the ball but was a black hole with no passing skills. He more or less busted at draft slot #11.

Kon gets wide open drives and looks pretty frequently. He's arguably the third option on that team and sometimes can be the 4th option.

When Flagg didn't play those 3 games in the tournament - he played even better which is interesting. I personally think he's at least 6'7 in shoes and looks physically imposing. He's a strong, strong bull

The narrative re Kon's play in the conference tournament games without Flagg took on a bit of a life of its own detached from reality IMO.

Reality: Kon balled out in the game that Flagg got injured. Flagg still logged 15 minutes in that game tho. Kon had his best game of the season with 28 points and 8 assists (1 turnover). Flagg missed the next 2 games. Over that stretch Kon averaged 17.5 ppg (3 more than his season average while playing 8 minutes more per game than his average) to go with 3 assists (right at season average) and 3.5 turnovers per game (more than double his typical turnover rate). He basically played and impacted the game exactly the same with a slight uptick in scoring (commensurate with his minute boost) and a lot more turnovers.

[greg4012]

Jarace Walker is similar offensively but much better defensively and can't get minutes in the crowded NBA and he's in his 2nd year. Knecht is similar offensively but a better athlete and he barely plays. I think it'll be tougher for Kon than people think.

I'm not even stanning for Kon here, but this is an absurd comparison. Jarace Walker is NOWHERE near as skilled as Kon, not even in the same galaxy as a shooter compared to Kon and doesn't have the ball handling/playmaking/IQ combo to pair with it. Knecht isn't even close to the level of talent Kon is. Kon is far more fundamentally sound in literally every aspect of the game, more polished skill set all the way around and just soooooo much better off the ball than Knecht. Thicker/strong build than Knecht's much slighter frame which tracks with how Knecht is a super late bloomer who was a small skinny guard who then grew taller and filled out a bit after 5 years in college.

Kon will 100% get targeted in the NBA on perimeter defense, particularly by quicker ball handling guards. He'll be absolutely fine vs the big wings in the NBA, fine vs all the 3+D guys who attack closeouts, but will struggle with dudes who are dynamic with the ball in their hands and don't need a screen to make something happen off the bounce. But realistically most wings have that issue and most wings in the NBA don't have Kon's offensive skillset so there is that trade off.

He will not "be absolutely fine" vs the big wings of the NBA which are typically 6'7-6'9 with 7'+ wingspans and faster/more explosive than him.

Kon wont measure 6'7

[greg4012]

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Tre Johnson over Kon comfortably.

Kon's off-the-dribble 3ball is concerning and may prove another data point suggesting a capped ceiling.

[JMAC3]

He makes a lot of sense for the teams in the 9-14 range who already have established 4+ starters and just need quality depth and shooting.

Houston, Atlanta, Dallas where he can be a Kispert type of player and if he gives you more than that eventually it is a great pick. I just am not a fan of a team in the top 7 who all really have big needs Utah, Washington, Charlotte, Toronto, Pelicans, Nets etc giving him real looks.

[JMAC3]

God, I remember people hyping up Hyun Jung Lee, 6'7" with 0 dunks. I told everyone he's just not an NBA player. It wasn't going to happen.

Just calling this one out too, really score boarding this week for someone who hates victory lapping.

[Bernman]

There are some transparently bringing confirmation bias. Gets compared to a guy who didn't hit like Jarace Walker, who had a 3 pt % 6% worse, ft% 25% worse, ts% 11% worse, & significantly worse ast%. Walker's a bigger bodied rebounder. These guys are opposite side of the spectrum players.

For the measurements, we're going to have to hear from people if it's better or worse that he measures shorter. You can't argue it's bad that he's 6'7 cuz of his dunk rate, then he measures 6'5's and that's also bad from the same people. For me, shorter is worse. Would prefer 6'6 or 6'7. 6'5 is adequate. That's what Dillon Brooks measured. Only 6'6 wingspan too. Survives on strength, intangibles. 6'4's you worry he's just a 2.

[azcatz11]

God, I remember people hyping up Hyun Jung Lee, 6'7" with 0 dunks. I told everyone he's just not an NBA player. It wasn't going to happen.

Just calling this one out too, really score boarding this week for someone who hates victory lapping.

He made a random post about Walter Clayton a few years ago and now is using that as evidence that he saw something

[EvanZ]

God, I remember people hyping up Hyun Jung Lee, 6'7" with 0 dunks. I told everyone he's just not an NBA player. It wasn't going to happen.

Just calling this one out too, really score boarding this week for someone who hates victory lapping.

Again bro you seem to have seriously low intellect. Is it lap taking when a dude clearly failed to have an NBA career? This isn't a case where waiting is going to change the ansewr. Hyun jung wasn't an NBA player.

You just seem absolutely clueless every time and you keep telling on yourself. Liek seriously bro, every time you call me out you're just making my points for me LMAO. Keep it up!

[EvanZ]

God, I remember people hyping up Hyun Jung Lee, 6'7" with 0 dunks. I told everyone he's just not an NBA player. It wasn't going to happen.

Just calling this one out too, really score boarding this week for someone who hates victory lapping.

He made a random post about Walter Clayton a few years ago and now is using that as evidence that he saw something

It wasn't random. I followed Clayton since his Freshman season. I'm sorry I just do this better than you.

[JMAC3]

God, I remember people hyping up Hyun Jung Lee, 6'7" with 0 dunks. I told everyone he's just not an NBA player. It wasn't going to happen.

Just calling this one out too, really score boarding this week for someone who hates victory lapping.

Again bro you seem to have seriously low intellect. Is it lap taking when a dude clearly failed to have an NBA career? This isn't a case where waiting is going to change the ansewr. Hyun jung wasn't an NBA player.

You just seem absolutely clueless every time and you keep telling on yourself. Liek seriously bro, every time you call me out you're just making my points for me LMAO. Keep it up!

I tease you about being the least humble dude here... and get hit with a low intellect comment- come on man be better than that.

Again, you unprompted attempting to scoreboard some great call on a guy nobody mentioned.. it is just weird is all.
but yes.. keep sprinkling these meaningless takes throughout the threads to prove you are "better at this than us" lol

[EvanZ]

Just calling this one out too, really score boarding this week for someone who hates victory lapping.

Again bro you seem to have seriously low intellect. Is it lap taking when a dude clearly failed to have an NBA career? This isn't a case where waiting is going to change the ansewr. Hyun jung wasn't an NBA player.

You just seem absolutely clueless every time and you keep telling on yourself. Liek seriously bro, every time you call me out you're just making my points for me LMAO. Keep it up!

I tease you about being the least humble dude here... and get hit with a low intellect comment- come on man be better than that.

Again, you unprompted attempting to scoreboard some great call on a guy nobody mentioned.. it is just weird is all.
but yes.. keep sprinkling these meaningless takes throughout the threads to prove you are "better at this than us" lol

Hey man if it makes you feel better about yourself to rationalize not finding Walter Clayton before his tourney run, you do you.

[Dat2U]

Corey Kispert. Listed at 6-7 but he looks 6-5. Self-creation? I don't see it, attacking closeouts is not self-creation. Has a decent floor but the ceiling screams draft outside the top 10.