2020 NBA Draft

adzrne · Post #801 » by **adzrne** » Sat Nov 9, 2019 8:54 pm

thoughts on Jeremiah Robinson-Earl?
Don't know much about him except for YouTube videos, but he looks very skilled offensively knows how to get in position, very active and good rebounder.

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doordoor123 · Post #802 » by **doordoor123** » Sat Nov 9, 2019 9:48 pm

This looks like a good draft so far. Better than last year even.

doordoor123 · Post #803 » by **doordoor123** » Sat Nov 9, 2019 9:51 pm

Fischella wrote:This draft looks to be pretty nicely deep, Jaden McDaniels is good, just too skinny, reminds me of Brandon Ingram

Well Brandon Ingram is pretty darn good, I don’t know how that would be a fault.

clyde21 · Post #804 » by **clyde21** » Sat Nov 9, 2019 10:27 pm

no way, Zion alone makes last year's better.

Roddy B for 3 · 7/1/2019 (I broke a mirror on 7-1-2012)

Tyreese Haliburton needs some love. The guy is a baller and might be worth a top 8 pick.

Great size
Great BBIQ
Incredible production

I only question if he can lockdown the "waterbug" PG types.

He plays the passing lanes very well, plays with VERY high end rhythm (gets open constantly and makes dazzling passes), he seems to be good finishing at the rim too.

clyde21 · Post #806 » by **clyde21** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:00 am

Haliburton is for sure a top10 guy in this class

PhilBlackson · Post #807 » by **PhilBlackson** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:04 am

There's zero chance I'd take Cole Anthony over Wiseman.

Achiuwa also looks really intriguing.

chef_martin · Post #808 » by **chef_martin** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:16 pm

I'm on that Aaron Wiggins train. He looked very good against Rhode Island, made a couple of wow passes, played some solid defense. And I'm banking on that Mark Turgeon boost at the next level.

The-Power · Post #809 » by **The-Power** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:23 pm

clyde21 wrote:Haliburton is for sure a top10 guy in this class

I love Haliburton. His only major problem is that he has virtually zero pull-up game. That won't fly as a PG in the league. So the question is, can he get there with his somewhat funky shooting motion? If he could be a serious threat as an off-the dribble shooter, he would be a top 5 talent for sure in my eyes. Not sure where I'd rank him as a prospect that would have serious limitations creating half-court offense with the ball in his hands.

That said, his profile is intriguing even without that. He can still be an effective off-ball player who contributes on defense, score efficiently off the ball, can create some as a secondary playmaker and in transition. If he can break down defenses consistently because his pull-up jumper has to be respected, there are few players that I'd be more excited about. And I think he can get there with some NBA experience and training.

doordoor123 · Post #810 » by **doordoor123** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:43 pm

The-Power wrote:
clyde21 wrote:Haliburton is for sure a top10 guy in this class

I love Haliburton. His only major problem is that he has virtually zero pull-up game. That won't fly as a PG in the league. So the question is, can he get there with his somewhat funky shooting motion? If he could be a serious threat as an off-the dribble shooter, he would be a top 5 talent for sure in my eyes. Not sure where I'd rank him as a prospect that would have serious limitations creating half-court offense with the ball in his hands.

That said, his profile is intriguing even without that. He can still be an effective off-ball player who contributes on defense, score efficiently off the ball, can create some as a secondary playmaker and in transition. If he can break down defenses consistently because his pull-up jumper has to be respected, there are few players that I'd be more excited about. And I think he can get there with some NBA experience and training.

He reminds me a lot of Lonzo in that way. Lonzo was a good shooter in college and even with a better jumper his shot is still an issue. He’s super quick, but his handle isn’t great and he still has issues pulling up after putting the ball on the floor. I would say Haliburton has a much better arc to his shot though and I think it’ll work. His frame is still my biggest issue. He’s too skinny and it may not have issues in college (but he still does have issues), but in the NBA it’ll be super hard for him to get minutes as he is. To me he has a ton of potential, but I’m super afraid to pick him still. My position is that I wouldn’t touch him in the lottery, maybe not even most of the first round. He has some unique skills, but will spend time in the G-League. If he balls out the rest of this year I can see him as a late first rounder, I just wouldn’t waste a productive pick on him. Not because he won’t be good, because he’ll take him and isn’t a sure thing.

The-Power · Post #811 » by **The-Power** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:56 pm

doordoor123 wrote:He reminds me a lot of Lonzo in that way.

That's actually a nice comparison, to some extent. Haliburton doesn't have Lonzo's pull-up 3 that he had in college (not that it has helped him much in the NBA) but seems better at getting to the basket off the dribble (Lonzo was quite good at that on off-ball cuts).

Agree that he has to become stronger. Disagree on the conclusion. Even if he struggles to start his NBA career, that is a fixable issue. He has too much talent to not use a relatively high pick to develop him. Even in the worst case scenario he should find a role in the NBA (á la Frank Ntilikina).

And his upside is definitely worth the risk of taking him fairly high. How high to pick him, however, is definitely a discussion worth having. I think this college year will answer a lot of questions, now that he will be more centrally involved on offense.

No-Man · Post #812 » by **No-Man** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:14 pm

Hali can't pull up and he can't also create off the dribble, I mean his usage for a Guard is ridiculously low, he is a combination player, I'd compare him to Ntilikina kinda, he is useful, has more vision than Frank and is a bit more aggressive, less toolsy on defense (smaller, worse frame, less physical etc), I think he is a good CG, but top10 is a bit high for my taste, more like top20

The-Power · Post #813 » by **The-Power** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:31 pm

The last game, Wiseman showed some glimpses of his offensive repertoire in the post.

Watch on YouTube

Post #814 » by **Ruzious** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:44 pm

chef_martin wrote:I'm on that Aaron Wiggins train. He looked very good against Rhode Island, made a couple of wow passes, played some solid defense. And I'm banking on that Mark Turgeon boost at the next level.

Yup, as a Terp fan, I'm excited. He really worked hard in the offseason - he and Stix both got a lot stronger. Granted URI isn't a strong opponent, but Wiggins getting 13 rebounds, 3 steals, 4 assists/1 to are very good signs. He's getting strong enough to play the 3 in the NBA. I'm still waiting for him to break out offensively. Cowan and Ayala got to get him the ball more.

doordoor123 · Post #815 » by **doordoor123** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:58 pm

The-Power wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:He reminds me a lot of Lonzo in that way.

That's actually a nice comparison, to some extent. Haliburton doesn't have Lonzo's pull-up 3 that he had in college (not that it has helped him much in the NBA) but seems better at getting to the basket off the dribble (Lonzo was quite good at that on off-ball cuts).

Agree that he has to become stronger. Disagree on the conclusion. Even if he struggles to start his NBA career, that is a fixable issue. He has too much talent to not use a relatively high pick to develop him. Even in the worst case scenario he should find a role in the NBA (á la Frank Ntilikina).

And his upside is definitely worth the risk of taking him fairly high. How high to pick him, however, is definitely a discussion worth having. I think this college year will answer a lot of questions, now that he will be more centrally involved on offense.

He has long term upside, which really doesn’t end well a lot of the time. His ability to translate and get minutes right away isn’t great and even then his upside isn’t some lead kind of player, he has the upside of a high-end roleplayer. When I say roleplayer, I mean someone that isn’t going to single-handedly win you games. He’s a piece of a puzzle that won’t be a piece for a while.

Post #816 » by **VCfor3** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:42 pm

The-Power wrote:The last game, Wiseman showed some glimpses of his offensive repertoire in the post.

Watch on YouTube

I'm pumped to see how he looks Tuesday against Oregon, especially since that may be his best competition prior to the draft if his ineligibility is upheld.

doordoor123 · Post #817 » by **doordoor123** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:52 pm

I would rather have Wiseman than Ayton. Wiseman plays within the rhythm of the game. He’s going to great, he looks like a pro already. He would be rookie of the year material in this year’s NBA.

The-Power · Post #818 » by **The-Power** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:30 pm

I like Scottie Lewis, I think he can become a terrific perimeter defender. But his offensive limitations are a problem. Right now, he plays like Mikal Bridges – who I love – but without a jumper. Great defense with long arms, quick hands and functional athleticism; similar body type; both don't force the offense (although Lewis is more aggressive as a driver) and move well without a ball.

But of course the difference between being a good spot-up shooter and a bad one is no small thing (as is age, of course). Considering I love Bridges and was his biggest pre-draft fan, I'd still roll the dice on Lewis at some point. But he has his work cut out for him and I don't see a top 10 prospect at the moment (which I guess is in line with most views on him, though).

No-Man · Post #819 » by **No-Man** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:47 pm

Lewis reminds me of Diallo, his mind and body go at different speeds, Lewis has more skills, but still, I think if he settles in and develops his jumper to be respectable he can be a similar player to Kent Bazemore, his D is going to be better against Guards, never going to be big/thick enough to check big wings (which are the difficult ones to match-up with)

I think Lewis is a top20 prospect, he may not come out this year though

clyde21 · Post #820 » by **clyde21** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:23 pm

Lewis projects as an elite multi-position defender, elite length, strong frame, runs like a horse, is a top-tier athlete and his offensive game is underrated...handling needs to get tighter but his J is better than given credit for and was able to beat multiple defenders off the dribble today, he just needs to stay playing strong defense, continue making his FTs and hit the open shots...once he gets to the NBA where he's gonna have more space and more transition opportunities it's done

he's also already 20 he shouldn't stay another year, especially considering next year's class is infinitely stronger on the wings.