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Re: Trae Young 

Post#821 » by clyde21 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:29 pm

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How does he compare to Stephen Curry the freshman though? It's unfair to compare Young to Curry the junior and especially Curry the NBA player.


He doesn't really compare as a prospect. How productive he is in college isn't really relevant.

Expecting him to develop into the off-ball player and finisher that Curry eventually became is asking too much. Are those odds you want to take in the top 10?


With how important shooting is in today's NBA I would. If I'm Phoenix then I'd definitely be intrigued in pairing Young with Booker.


I don't know. I'm not sold on that back court. Very little defensive presence and neither Booker nor Young have shown a strong propensity to play off-ball.

I can see game where they both go off for 70 combined points, but the trick is being productive and playing winning basketball when your shot is not falling.
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Post#822 » by UcanUwill » Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:00 am

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Duke4life831 wrote:I think Young is going to be a really great college PG, I just dont think his game translates to the NBA. No doubt he was the reason why Oklahoma was ranked that high, I dont know how anyone could argue that.



That would be disappointing if what you say turns out to be true. NBAdraft.net has Trae Youngs player comparison as Stephen Curry.

Although I learned my lesson not to get to hyped about nbadraft.nets player comparisons.

I remember I was hyped about a player named Jimmer Fredette who’s player comparison is Mark Price!

He turned out to be a bust even though he seemed to have unlimited range and lead the nation in scoring.

Interestingly Jimmer is also listed as the same height as Trae Young.


Jimmer was undersized for his position tho, Being undersized and terrible athlete is a death sentence. Young is small, but he legit has PG skills, and for a point guard his size is adequate.
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Post#823 » by DroseReturnChi » Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:19 pm

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Duke4life831 wrote:I think Young is going to be a really great college PG, I just dont think his game translates to the NBA. No doubt he was the reason why Oklahoma was ranked that high, I dont know how anyone could argue that.



That would be disappointing if what you say turns out to be true. NBAdraft.net has Trae Youngs player comparison as Stephen Curry.

Although I learned my lesson not to get to hyped about nbadraft.nets player comparisons.

I remember I was hyped about a player named Jimmer Fredette who’s player comparison is Mark Price!

He turned out to be a bust even though he seemed to have unlimited range and lead the nation in scoring.

Interestingly Jimmer is also listed as the same height as Trae Young.


Jimmer was undersized for his position tho, Being undersized and terrible athlete is a death sentence. Young is small, but he legit has PG skills, and for a point guard his size is adequate.


Yeah. Seems like a lazy comparison to compare Young to Fredette. Young did what Jimmer did in Freshman and he is actually one of the best pure pgs in the draft which Jimmer never was. He is more closer to Damian Lillard. I am not saying he's guaranteed to be a star or anything but he has the highest ceiling and potential. It's worth the risk esp if he not a top 5 pick.
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Post#824 » by No-Man » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:30 pm

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Alatan wrote:I think he will be a Steve Nash light edition in the NBA. He is too skilled to bust but he is athletically and physically limited while also having a less than optimal shooting mechanics to base his game as a shooter and become something more than a good starter.


Steve Nash is kind of the complete opposite spectrum when it comes to PG play. Steve Nash super smart with the ball, had basically a 3:1 assist/TO ratio his entire prime, his shot selection was as elite as it came which led to his multiple 50/40/90 seasons. Young is a chucker that has a horrific assist/TO ratio. Theyre two completely different players.

The lies man :banghead: like all over the place

Also, saying that Tyus and Trae compare well athletically means that either you are going by light skin colour comp, have a bad eyes, or are just lazy.

And I love Tyus, had him 8th that year and was his strongest supporter in this board next to ManualRam.
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Post#825 » by No-Man » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:32 pm

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RookieStar wrote:Isn't that part of Trae's game though? To be a danger wherever in the court ( even 3 feet away from the 3pt line). I mean that's why he has the chance to drive seeing as his defender will follow him that far. If he's not a danger to chuck away then that would be a less effective Trae IMO.


You can shoot a lot and still do it in a system. Rookies almost never get that green light, but that doesn't mean the team isn't planning to eventually give him that green light.


But even him not as a rookie, is he the player you want to hand your keys of your offense over and give him the ultimate green light at some point in his career? Cause again you take away his gunner mentality, youre taking away basically the main reason people even consider him a lottery pick.

Ive always felt if you take Young in the top 10, you gotta hand the keys over to him and really hope he becomes Curry 2.0. If not he is just another small guard that is a high volume scorer that has a poor assist/TO ratio. Thats really not all that hard to find in todays game. The G League is littered with small guards that are gunners.


There are like 4-5 guards in the league that can pass like Young, regardless of Assist/TO ratio (which is one stupid way to measure somebody as a passer)

Again, I feel like either you are going by what you watched of him in HS, or you just don't watch the games properly, how can you compare him and his passing game to just gunner G-League guards? like this is just stupid.
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Post#826 » by kb02 » Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:55 pm

He's shooting 21.42% from three the last 5 games. I don't buy the defenses are defending him different argument. There's more attention, but often its him going against a better athlete (who will likely never reach the NBA). How's he going to do against NBA athleticism day in and day out? Regression to who he always was--an undersized, volume shooting pg. Sexton > Young.
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Post#827 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:06 pm

He's just gone cold with shooting off the dribble 3s.

He scores 87 extra points from these in his best 10 games vs worst 10 games.
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Post#828 » by kb02 » Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:07 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:He's just gone cold with shooting off the dribble 3s.

He scores 87 extra points from these in his best 10 games vs worst 10 games.


That's the thing. Those crazy, long range threes are chemistry killers. Bet his teammates are hating him right now.
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Post#829 » by kb02 » Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:17 pm

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Mulhollanddrive wrote:He's just gone cold with shooting off the dribble 3s.

He scores 87 extra points from these in his best 10 games vs worst 10 games.


That's the thing. Those crazy, long range threes are chemistry killers. Bet his teammates are hating him right now.


Strip away Young's shooting and he's very, very average. On the year, he's shooting 36.6% from 3. De'aaron Fox, who most dinged for not being able to shoot last year, is currently shooting 32.6% from 3 in the NBA.

That means the following:
1. Young would need to take 25 extra shots, to make only one more 3 point shot than Fox.
2. Over 100 shots, Young would only make 4 more.

And for those who haven't been following Fox, both his percentage and the volume of 3 point shots have been increasing since his return from injury. Fox vs. Young as prospects? Fox > Young. Not. Even. Close.
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Post#830 » by shakes0 » Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:32 pm

Looked great yesterday.

I fully expect him to have a much easier time vs NBA defenses than vs college defenses. In the NBA he won't have to deal with being the only guy on his team who doesn't completely suck at basketball. People here are really underrating that aspect of Trae's season. In the NBA he's not going to deal with double teams when he crosses the time line like he does now. And in the NBA he's going to have great players to pass the ball to who can finish and draw attention of their own.

Game is going to be much easier for Trae at the next level. He's going to be scary good.
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Post#831 » by Cheesin » Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:42 pm

If the suns and the Magic finish top 3, I could see Trae Young falling out of the top 10.

Call me crazy

Just don't think Hawks, Mavs, kings, Grizz, Cavs, Bulls, Knicks would take a PG tbh...

You know where I think he ends up? The Clippers
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Post#832 » by Alatan » Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:59 pm

Cheesin wrote:If the suns and the Magic finish top 3, I could see Trae Young falling out of the top 10.

Call me crazy

Just don't think Hawks, Mavs, kings, Grizz, Cavs, Bulls, Knicks would take a PG tbh...

You know where I think he ends up? The Clippers


Id actually like to see him on the Knicks more than on the Magic or the Suns.
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Post#833 » by Cheesin » Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:03 pm

Alatan wrote:
Cheesin wrote:If the suns and the Magic finish top 3, I could see Trae Young falling out of the top 10.

Call me crazy

Just don't think Hawks, Mavs, kings, Grizz, Cavs, Bulls, Knicks would take a PG tbh...

You know where I think he ends up? The Clippers


Id actually like to see him on the Knicks more than on the Magic or the Suns.


The knicks have Muniday and frank under contract..if they did this, legit their best 3 prospects would be PGs(don't see it happening)
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Post#834 » by Alatan » Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:15 pm

Cheesin wrote:
Alatan wrote:
Cheesin wrote:If the suns and the Magic finish top 3, I could see Trae Young falling out of the top 10.

Call me crazy

Just don't think Hawks, Mavs, kings, Grizz, Cavs, Bulls, Knicks would take a PG tbh...

You know where I think he ends up? The Clippers


Id actually like to see him on the Knicks more than on the Magic or the Suns.


The knicks have Muniday and frank under contract..if they did this, legit their best 3 prospects would be PGs(don't see it happening)


Lol Mudiay is trash. And Ntilikina is probably going to be a Marcus Smart type player. Players like those dont stop a team from drafting players that might be better.
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Post#835 » by Duke4life831 » Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:16 pm

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Alatan wrote:I think he will be a Steve Nash light edition in the NBA. He is too skilled to bust but he is athletically and physically limited while also having a less than optimal shooting mechanics to base his game as a shooter and become something more than a good starter.


Steve Nash is kind of the complete opposite spectrum when it comes to PG play. Steve Nash super smart with the ball, had basically a 3:1 assist/TO ratio his entire prime, his shot selection was as elite as it came which led to his multiple 50/40/90 seasons. Young is a chucker that has a horrific assist/TO ratio. Theyre two completely different players.

The lies man :banghead: like all over the place

Also, saying that Tyus and Trae compare well athletically means that either you are going by light skin colour comp, have a bad eyes, or are just lazy.

And I love Tyus, had him 8th that year and was his strongest supporter in this board next to ManualRam.


I don't get where the lies are? Nash was elite of the elite when it comes to passing and shot IQ. Nash was a guy you always wanted to shoot more because of how efficient he was. I'm sorry that sounds like the complete opposite on how someone would describe Young.
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Post#836 » by No-Man » Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:26 pm

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Steve Nash is kind of the complete opposite spectrum when it comes to PG play. Steve Nash super smart with the ball, had basically a 3:1 assist/TO ratio his entire prime, his shot selection was as elite as it came which led to his multiple 50/40/90 seasons. Young is a chucker that has a horrific assist/TO ratio. Theyre two completely different players.

The lies man :banghead: like all over the place

Also, saying that Tyus and Trae compare well athletically means that either you are going by light skin colour comp, have a bad eyes, or are just lazy.

And I love Tyus, had him 8th that year and was his strongest supporter in this board next to ManualRam.


I don't get where the lies are? Nash was elite of the elite when it comes to passing and shot IQ. Nash was a guy you always wanted to shoot more because of how efficient he was. I'm sorry that sounds like the complete opposite on how someone would describe Young.


Nash was absolutely elite as an off-the-dribble shooter but he wasn't shy with the shots and decisions he made, esp while playing in Dallas he did turn the ball over a ton, which is obviously normal with his playing stlye, we aren't talking about Jose Calderon here, Nash was efficient, but he took risks, much like Young does.

Talking about his shot selection been elite, he had amazing traits as a shooter but he was a wild player, which was generally great for his teams, he wasn't the consumate floor general or a shy player/risk avoider

Trae probably gambles even more, but again, he is 19 and is carrying an offense by himself, you have to take everything into consideration, you in general are treating him as if he didn't have good vision when for a frosh PG he has shown unbelievable ability in that sense, even with the turnovers, he might try too hard at times, but the circumstances are what they are.

Young isn't just a gunner, if you don't see how elite his court vision is for his age/size, I don't know what to tell you, he might have been that type earlier on or in HS, I have no clue, but for the most part this year he has been literally the best passer for a frosh PG I have seen since Chris Paul (or Rubio if you want to include intl prospects).

The shooting is an added bonus in his case, obviously if you draft him you gotta account for his style of play, but again, he can scale it down thanks to his ability to shoot it, he said it himself in an interview, that he was more of a pure shooter early in his career and has developed lately as a PG, he has been absolutely deadly whenever they play him off-ball, which isn't often due to his team's limitations (nobody else can dribble basically) but in the NBA and next to another player that can find him, he has shown certain skills, footwork, ability to find spots, etc and overall touch to think that even though he probably won't be close to Curry, who is the best off-ball Guard ever probably, he is gonna be real good at it.

You can think about him playing off guys like Booker, Simmons/Fournier, obviously LeBron, and also Simmons, all those are pretty nice scenarios for him, having qualms about him as a top3-5 pick due to his physical limitations or doubts about him developing there (I think his burst is really underrated, his first step is good, and his touch is good, but I get the concerns about him been frail, even though he has some potential with his hips+frame to be bigger and stronger) I can understand, but havign doubts about him as a top10 pick is just beyond me, he might flop (like almost everybody other than a couple guys might) but he is the right risk to take 100%
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Post#837 » by kb02 » Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:53 pm

shakes0 wrote:Looked great yesterday.

I fully expect him to have a much easier time vs NBA defenses than vs college defenses. In the NBA he won't have to deal with being the only guy on his team who doesn't completely suck at basketball. People here are really underrating that aspect of Trae's season. In the NBA he's not going to deal with double teams when he crosses the time line like he does now. And in the NBA he's going to have great players to pass the ball to who can finish and draw attention of their own.

Game is going to be much easier for Trae at the next level. He's going to be scary good.



I hate the he has no one else playing with him defense.

How many NBA players are on the Texas Tech, Kansas, WVU, Iowa St., Alabama, N Texas teams? How many lottery picks are on those teams? Less than you would think. It's not the schemes. It's the fact that he looks pretty damn ordinary when he's playing against a avg NCAA pg.
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Post#838 » by kb02 » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:02 pm

Fischella wrote:
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Fischella wrote:The lies man :banghead: like all over the place

Also, saying that Tyus and Trae compare well athletically means that either you are going by light skin colour comp, have a bad eyes, or are just lazy.

And I love Tyus, had him 8th that year and was his strongest supporter in this board next to ManualRam.


I don't get where the lies are? Nash was elite of the elite when it comes to passing and shot IQ. Nash was a guy you always wanted to shoot more because of how efficient he was. I'm sorry that sounds like the complete opposite on how someone would describe Young.


Nash was absolutely elite as an off-the-dribble shooter but he wasn't shy with the shots and decisions he made, esp while playing in Dallas he did turn the ball over a ton, which is obviously normal with his playing stlye, we aren't talking about Jose Calderon here, Nash was efficient, but he took risks, much like Young does.

Talking about his shot selection been elite, he had amazing traits as a shooter but he was a wild player, which was generally great for his teams, he wasn't the consumate floor general or a shy player/risk avoider

Trae probably gambles even more, but again, he is 19 and is carrying an offense by himself, you have to take everything into consideration, you in general are treating him as if he didn't have good vision when for a frosh PG he has shown unbelievable ability in that sense, even with the turnovers, he might try too hard at times, but the circumstances are what they are.

Young isn't just a gunner, if you don't see how elite his court vision is for his age/size, I don't know what to tell you, he might have been that type earlier on or in HS, I have no clue, but for the most part this year he has been literally the best passer for a frosh PG I have seen since Chris Paul (or Rubio if you want to include intl prospects).

The shooting is an added bonus in his case, obviously if you draft him you gotta account for his style of play, but again, he can scale it down thanks to his ability to shoot it, he said it himself in an interview, that he was more of a pure shooter early in his career and has developed lately as a PG, he has been absolutely deadly whenever they play him off-ball, which isn't often due to his team's limitations (nobody else can dribble basically) but in the NBA and next to another player that can find him, he has shown certain skills, footwork, ability to find spots, etc and overall touch to think that even though he probably won't be close to Curry, who is the best off-ball Guard ever probably, he is gonna be real good at it.

You can think about him playing off guys like Booker, Simmons/Fournier, obviously LeBron, and also Simmons, all those are pretty nice scenarios for him, having qualms about him as a top3-5 pick due to his physical limitations or doubts about him developing there (I think his burst is really underrated, his first step is good, and his touch is good, but I get the concerns about him been frail, even though he has some potential with his hips+frame to be bigger and stronger) I can understand, but havign doubts about him as a top10 pick is just beyond me, he might flop (like almost everybody other than a couple guys might) but he is the right risk to take 100%


Here's what I don't get about the way you protect players:

1. I wasn't here then, but have seen your criticisms of KAT. Most of the criticisms are effectively based on his physical profile, his lack of athleticism relative to other players.

2. Then you're now high on Young for his skill, but disregard the physical profile issues.

It's weird. I've had disagreements with folks over their projections, but it's mostly based on what we each prefer. There is one person who often loves shooters, length, n Euros. Without fail, he's higher on those types of players than others. I may disagree with him from time to time, but he's consistent. I don't see the consistency here.

As for the Nash argument, he changed his body n his game ten fold after he left SCU. It's hard to use him as a proxy without realizing that you're pointing out his prime NBA version vs. the version that came into the league.

The problem with Young is, he's a stick and already just has avg NBA athleticism. Adding weight won't help him in the quickness dept. his one true unique skill set is being able to pass off of both hands.
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Post#839 » by shakes0 » Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:20 pm

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shakes0 wrote:Looked great yesterday.

I fully expect him to have a much easier time vs NBA defenses than vs college defenses. In the NBA he won't have to deal with being the only guy on his team who doesn't completely suck at basketball. People here are really underrating that aspect of Trae's season. In the NBA he's not going to deal with double teams when he crosses the time line like he does now. And in the NBA he's going to have great players to pass the ball to who can finish and draw attention of their own.

Game is going to be much easier for Trae at the next level. He's going to be scary good.



I hate the he has no one else playing with him defense.

How many NBA players are on the Texas Tech, Kansas, WVU, Iowa St., Alabama, N Texas teams? How many lottery picks are on those teams? Less than you would think. It's not the schemes. It's the fact that he looks pretty damn ordinary when he's playing against a avg NCAA pg.



Completely disagree with everything you said and probably believe in.

NBA players or not, having 5 major conference D1 athletes run at you the entire game en masse without any concern for your inept teammates is much tougher defense than anyone in the NBA is facing.
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Post#840 » by baca » Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:50 pm

shakes0 wrote:
kb02 wrote:
shakes0 wrote:Looked great yesterday.

I fully expect him to have a much easier time vs NBA defenses than vs college defenses. In the NBA he won't have to deal with being the only guy on his team who doesn't completely suck at basketball. People here are really underrating that aspect of Trae's season. In the NBA he's not going to deal with double teams when he crosses the time line like he does now. And in the NBA he's going to have great players to pass the ball to who can finish and draw attention of their own.

Game is going to be much easier for Trae at the next level. He's going to be scary good.



I hate the he has no one else playing with him defense.

How many NBA players are on the Texas Tech, Kansas, WVU, Iowa St., Alabama, N Texas teams? How many lottery picks are on those teams? Less than you would think. It's not the schemes. It's the fact that he looks pretty damn ordinary when he's playing against a avg NCAA pg.



Completely disagree with everything you said and probably believe in.

NBA players or not, having 5 major conference D1 athletes run at you the entire game en masse without any concern for your inept teammates is much tougher defense than anyone in the NBA is facing.


Logic has flaw. Young also has 4 major conference D1 full scholarship TEAMMATES around him who can score or make a screen wall for him. Unless you prove his Oklahoma teammates are so much worse than Iowa St, Baylor, Texas or Oklahoma State average start or bench players, it cannot explain why Young's shooting FG% is so low and his teammates cannot get enough open shot to score.

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