2020 NBA Draft

clyde21 · Post #821 » by **clyde21** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:29 pm

can't teach that

clyde21 · Post #822 » by **clyde21** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:15 am

Mamadi is a 1st rounder

shakes0 · Post #823 » by **shakes0** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:42 am

Marcus wrote:
clyde21 wrote:pos NCAA

facts.

I need dates and times for this. I know Wiseman and Penny are close. I know he coached him in AAU and it wasn't a huge surprise he chose Memphis once Penny got the gig but if this move happened before all of this i don't see the problem. I get the implication but to me it's not that far from "family member of 5-star recruit gets hired to prospective school's coaching staff". Now if Memphis Tigers head coach Penny Hardaway helped Wiseman move after he signed on the dotted line I understand. But, if big homie Penny Hardaway helped the fam move and ended up with the HC gig at Memphis later on I would deem that as a different situation.

missing the point. Penny was a mega booster for Memphis. He gave a high school kid money and that kid later went to the school where Penny is a booster. That's textbook "enticement". This is NCAA Rules 101. Doesn't matter that Penny wasn't the coach back then, doesn't matter that Penny is the coach now. Result would be the same even if Penny wasn't the coach. It's quite simple.

Memphis is stupid to play him. These wins will all end up being vacated.

shakes0 · Post #824 » by **shakes0** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:43 am

Fischella wrote:I don't think the NCAA is at fault here, I mean the rules are stupid but they are just following them, it is what it is

The rule in question here isn't stupid. Boosters can't give money to potential recruits. Reasons for that can't be more obvious.

shakes0 · Post #825 » by **shakes0** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:46 am

Marcus wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
Marcus wrote:
facts.

I need dates and times for this. I know Wiseman and Penny are close. I know he coached him in AAU and it wasn't a huge surprise he chose Memphis once Penny got the gig but if this move happened before all of this i don't see the problem. I get the implication but to me it's not that far from "family member of 5-star recruit gets hired to prospective school's coaching staff". Now if Memphis Tigers head coach Penny Hardaway helped Wiseman move after he signed on the dotted line I understand. But, if big homie Penny Hardaway helped the fam move and ended up with the HC gig at Memphis later on I would deem that as a different situation.

Penny probably meant well in financing the family's move (assuming that report is true), but... it seems naïve of him to not realize what was going to happen, and now the kid is caught in a tough situation. Hopefully there's some extenuating circumstance, but it looks bad for Penny, imo.

Reports are that Penny giving the money was cleared by the NCAA back in May. Considering it was before he even sniffed the Memphis gig there shouldn't be a problem. I won't say I don't get the implications and how it can be seen a different way but black and white it was before either Penny or Wiseman signed with Memphis and the NCAA said it was ok 6 months ago. Let the kid play.

Penny being the coach has no relevance to the situation. Even Bilas (an attorney) said that during the Washington vs Baylor telecast.

TheSuzerain · Post #826 » by **TheSuzerain** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:31 am

Isn't it time for these thoughts to spread out into prospect-specific threads?

Using one meta-thread seems a bit silly.

DirtyDez · Post #827 » by **DirtyDez** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:21 am

Freshman Zeke Nnaji is much better than senior Chase Jeter which I didn’t see coming. I’m looking at Zeke and Nico as 2021 guys with Green being OAD.

doordoor123 · Post #828 » by **doordoor123** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:26 am

I’m liking what I’m seeing from Omer Yurtseven this year. It looks like he took the last year to really work on his body. He looks much more fluid and is doing a good job on defense. He’s starting to look like an NBA player.

MemphisX · Post #829 » by **MemphisX** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:59 am

shakes0 wrote:
Marcus wrote:
clyde21 wrote:pos NCAA

facts.

I need dates and times for this. I know Wiseman and Penny are close. I know he coached him in AAU and it wasn't a huge surprise he chose Memphis once Penny got the gig but if this move happened before all of this i don't see the problem. I get the implication but to me it's not that far from "family member of 5-star recruit gets hired to prospective school's coaching staff". Now if Memphis Tigers head coach Penny Hardaway helped Wiseman move after he signed on the dotted line I understand. But, if big homie Penny Hardaway helped the fam move and ended up with the HC gig at Memphis later on I would deem that as a different situation.

missing the point. Penny was a mega booster for Memphis. He gave a high school kid money and that kid later went to the school where Penny is a booster. That's textbook "enticement". This is NCAA Rules 101. Doesn't matter that Penny wasn't the coach back then, doesn't matter that Penny is the coach now. Result would be the same even if Penny wasn't the coach. It's quite simple.

Memphis is stupid to play him. These wins will all end up being vacated.

I think everyone has been eating the NCAA's BS for so long they think it is good, right and will be upheld in an actual court.

Post #830 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:09 am

shakes0 wrote:
Marcus wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Penny probably meant well in financing the family's move (assuming that report is true), but... it seems naïve of him to not realize what was going to happen, and now the kid is caught in a tough situation. Hopefully there's some extenuating circumstance, but it looks bad for Penny, imo.

Reports are that Penny giving the money was cleared by the NCAA back in May. Considering it was before he even sniffed the Memphis gig there shouldn't be a problem. I won't say I don't get the implications and how it can be seen a different way but black and white it was before either Penny or Wiseman signed with Memphis and the NCAA said it was ok 6 months ago. Let the kid play.

Penny being the coach has no relevance to the situation. Even Bilas (an attorney) said that during the Washington vs Baylor telecast.

Remember, Bilas is pretty much on automatic pilot disagreeing with everything the NCAA does and says about everything. Not saying he's wrong, but he's predisposed to disagree with the NCAA at all times regardless of whether or not their right.

shakes0 · Post #831 » by **shakes0** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:33 pm

Ruzious wrote:
shakes0 wrote:
Marcus wrote:
Reports are that Penny giving the money was cleared by the NCAA back in May. Considering it was before he even sniffed the Memphis gig there shouldn't be a problem. I won't say I don't get the implications and how it can be seen a different way but black and white it was before either Penny or Wiseman signed with Memphis and the NCAA said it was ok 6 months ago. Let the kid play.

Penny being the coach has no relevance to the situation. Even Bilas (an attorney) said that during the Washington vs Baylor telecast.

Remember, Bilas is pretty much on automatic pilot disagreeing with everything the NCAA does and says about everything. Not saying he's wrong, but he's predisposed to disagree with the NCAA at all times regardless of whether or not their right.

well, he's agreeing with the NCAA here so not sure of your point unless you are saying that to support what Bilas said since he obviously feels strong enough to agree with the NCAA (something you said he never does)

The-Power · Post #832 » by **The-Power** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:41 pm

Where would you guys rank Isaiah Joe (and Mason Jones, while we're at it)? That next-level shooting – paired with length, solid athleticism and some on-ball ability – sure is intriguing.

No-Man · Post #833 » by **No-Man** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:45 pm

Joe is a late lotto guy for me, top20 for sure, Jones not sure haven't seen him enough, maybe a mid to late 2nd rounder, still early

clyde21 · Post #834 » by **clyde21** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:54 pm

outside of Precious any 1st round PFs in this class? struggling to see any right now outside Tillie who's just always hurt and old now...maybe Deni can play some 4...Jalen Smith is a 5, maybe Hurt but not buying he's a 1AD guy at this point...

No-Man · Post #835 » by **No-Man** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:08 pm

Avdija, Watson, McDaniels, Sylla has been awful but maybe him too on potential alone, Paul Reed if you consider him a 4, Romeo Weems is a bit of a PF too, probably not OAD, Tres Tinkle is good enough but won't go that high

clyde21 · Post #836 » by **clyde21** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:19 pm

Fischella wrote:Avdija, Watson, McDaniels, Sylla has been awful but maybe him too on potential alone, Paul Reed if you consider him a 4, Romeo Weems is a bit of a PF too, probably not OAD, Tres Tinkle is good enough but won't go that high

Darius Days is one if he continues to progress

i think Watson is a 2 year player, McDaniels needs to gain a lot of weight not sure if he has the frame too at this point to play real meaningful minutes at the 4 in the NBA

haven't been keeping up with Sylla...has he been that bad?

The-Power · Post #837 » by **The-Power** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:19 pm

clyde21 wrote:outside of Precious any 1st round PFs in this class? struggling to see any right now outside Tillie who's just always hurt and old now...maybe Deni can play some 4...Jalen Smith is a 5, maybe Hurt but not buying he's a 1AD guy at this point...

Long season, so I'm not sure yet. But Jaden McDaniels is going to be a PF in my view and he's a lottery guy. Trendon Watford is someone I'll watch closely and who has the talent. Romeo Weems is my guy but he's probably more a SF who can play play as a small-ball 4 some. I think Isaiah Stewart could be a 4 on some teams – at least he should strive to be because I don't buy him as a starting 5 yet, which would then render him a bench-big. Oscar Tshiebwe if he's one-and-done. Jeremiah Robinson-Earl if he declares has a chance. Maybe Isaiah Mobley if he balls out. A lot depends on how they play and, consequently, on who declares. But that goes without saying.

clyde21 · Post #838 » by **clyde21** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:24 pm

The-Power wrote:
clyde21 wrote:outside of Precious any 1st round PFs in this class? struggling to see any right now outside Tillie who's just always hurt and old now...maybe Deni can play some 4...Jalen Smith is a 5, maybe Hurt but not buying he's a 1AD guy at this point...

Long season, so I'm not sure yet. But Jaden McDaniels is going to be a PF in my view and he's a lottery guy. Trendon Watford is someone I'll watch closely and who has the talent. Romeo Weems is my guy but he's probably more a SF who can play play as a small-ball 4 some. I think Isaiah Stewart could be a 4 on some teams – at least he should strive to be because I don't buy him as a starting 5 yet, which would then render him a bench-big. Oscar Tshiebwe if he's one-and-done. Jeremiah Robinson-Earl if he declares has a chance. Maybe Isaiah Mobley if he balls out. A lot depends on how they play and, consequently, on who declares. But that goes without saying.

Stewart is a 5 all the way to me

No-Man · Post #839 » by **No-Man** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:25 pm

oh yeah, JRE and Mobley too, although I expect Mobley to just wait for his bro

Oscar and Stewart aren't 4s

The-Power · Post #840 » by **The-Power** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:28 pm

clyde21 wrote:Stewart is a 5 all the way to me

Fischella wrote:Oscar and Stewart aren't 4s

I tend to agree. It's perhaps just hope that they can find a way to play next to a stretch-5 in the league because I don't buy them as legitimate starting 5's at this point. Kind of like Jaren Jackson who can play the 4 but should see the bulk of his minutes at 5 – except that Jackson should definitely have the ability to become a full-time 5.