Ben Simmons

[ItsThatEasy]

Good find. Unsurprisingly, it's exactly what scouts have been saying: it's not perfection, but it's not broke(n).

Watching him this season, I sometimes wonder if he's doing what Bird used to do and giving himself an artificial challenge to make the game more interesting for himself (i.e., no jumpers). I know he's probably not messing with his team's fortunes like that, but it's just a thought.

It seems like a lot of people are equating no/low attempts with no/low ability. Just silliness.

Ben said he wont take jumpers until HE feels he can hit them at a rate that satisfies him.
So it could very well be that he wont take more then 10 threes his rookie year.. 20 his sophmore.. and then suddenly shoots a respectable 32-35% his 3rd year on over 2 or 3 threes a game.

Its so unique to say "i will not shoot jumpers till i feel i am GOOD at shooting jumpers" .. we are not used to a 19yo Kid with THAT much amount of BBIQ and perfectionism.

Wow....I literally just posted this in the General Board Simmons thread.

These are my exact thoughts, it just honestly seems like his BBIQ is so high he's purposely not taking them and people are so not used to this that they're bashing the kid left and right.

Not shooting jumpers is simply not the same thing as having a fully broken jumper.

[Slartibartfast]

People say he isn't as explosive as Griffin, but Griffin isn't as fast as Simmons. His speed with the ball is electric - that coupled with his rebounding and open court passing ability will make him extraordinarily difficult to contain even if he's not much in the half court.

Just got to remember how much damage Rondo was able to do from 2009-2012 at 6'1 with major deficiencies shooting from anywhere outside of 5 feet. Great speed + rebounding + passing + interior finishing ability + 6'10 = beast.

[crazy_me_87]

People say he isn't as explosive as Griffin, but Griffin isn't as fast as Simmons. His speed with the ball is electric - that coupled with his rebounding and open court passing ability will make him extraordinarily difficult to contain even if he's not much in the half court.

Just got to remember how much damage Rondo was able to do from 2009-2012 at 6'1 with major deficiencies shooting from anywhere outside of 5 feet. Great speed + rebounding + passing + interior finishing ability + 6'10 = beast.

i think alot of people dont really understand the difference between "flashy athletism" and "impact athletism".
Ben might not be the jump Athlete Lebron or Blake are... but hes just as strong as Lebron was at age 19... propably nearly as fast. And he even has better handles and is overall more "fluid"

If he can get his chin obove the rim is completly irrelevant to his actual production. The things he needs to be an extraordinary Finisher are totally there. He has Lenght,Strenght,Speed and Touch. At 6'10 he doesnt NEED to jump crazy high all the time to get to the basket at will.

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[crazy_me_87]

I have watched a Video where they showed a Metric(PIE) that values "overall impact on the court". I never heard of it before so i cant judge how valid this actually is. But if it holds any truth Ben is having the best Overall Freshman Season in recent memory.

They compared Ben to the best One and Done Freshman of the last 10 years:

Ben: PIE of 22.1
Anthony Davis: 20.6
Kevin Durant: 20.5

I have the Screenshot here and will also add the link to the Video:



[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l3AcAJSZ28[/youtube]

If that has any merit it shows he is not just any Freshman but one of the best Freshman ever.
I repeat i cant say how credible those guys are.

I found it interesting and wanted to share it with you guys.

edit:

found the ESPN Article:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/14457821/the-all-game-ben-simmons-puts-class-himself

[scrabbarista]

He is going to be the number one pick and is extremely talented. Nothing I said goes against this. You quoted a post that was in response to comparing his work ethic to the legendary Kobe Bryant (top 10 basketball player of all time). You didn't address that.

also, "spot ups in the paint?" Thanks for that






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I have Kobe at 11.

I addressed his work ethic by emphasizing all the skills he has. I thought the implication was clear that a skill is something that has to be learned, implying practice, i.e., work.

Face-ups, catch-and-shoots, jump shots. Not spot-ups. Thank you for correcting my semantics.

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[doordoor123]

People say he isn't as explosive as Griffin, but Griffin isn't as fast as Simmons. His speed with the ball is electric - that coupled with his rebounding and open court passing ability will make him extraordinarily difficult to contain even if he's not much in the half court.

Just got to remember how much damage Rondo was able to do from 2009-2012 at 6'1 with major deficiencies shooting from anywhere outside of 5 feet. Great speed + rebounding + passing + interior finishing ability + 6'10 = beast.

i think alot of people dont really understand the difference between "flashy athletism" and "impact athletism".
Ben might not be the jump Athlete Lebron or Blake are... but hes just as strong as Lebron was at age 19... propably nearly as fast. And he even has better handles and is overall more "fluid"

If he can get his chin obove the rim is completly irrelevant to his actual production. The things he needs to be an extraordinary Finisher are totally there. He has Lenght,Strenght,Speed and Touch. At 6'10 he doesnt NEED to jump crazy high all the time to get to the basket at will.

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Athleticism is athleticism. What you're calling "flashy athleticism" is underutilized athleticism. It's about self-awareness and understanding what you can do with that athleticism. Having said that, Simmons will be fine. He's an elite finisher, he's quick, good at help defense, etc. Simmons is going to be a star no matter how you cut it. Will he be LeBron? That's really up to him, but he has the abilities to be up there with the elite.

[GimmeDat]

Ben looks good on those spot up shots, even though there's not a lot of lower body movement going on.

It seems as though it's in game situation, especially on that midrange shot where he gets more elevation, that his alignment problems become more pronounced.

[ItsThatEasy]

He looks extremely out of it tonight, not sure what's going on but this certainly isn't his best showing.

He did just hit a very nice pull up jumper though.

[Duke4life831]

Ben starting to get a little more aggressive and wake up

[anubis0713]

15/5/7 not bad for a quiet game. After string out the half the of the first

Ben shooting 3's pregame looks o.k which is good to see.

[Chuck Everett]

To me, the Simmons thing is over. You have seen more than enough games from him at the college level to see he has no business even being in college. Automatic pros like this are super rare.

[crazy_me_87]

To me, the Simmons thing is over. You have seen more than enough games from him at the college level to see he has no business even being in college. Automatic pros like this are super rare.

yeah basically.. You can just see he is toying with college Kids.
He is just this much Bigger,stronger,faster,better than everybody else.

I always get the feeling with Ben if he REALLY wanted it and had the mindset to do so he could easily average 35ppg so far.

He is not a "me first" type of scorer though and wants his TEAM to win. But you can just see how easy it is right now for him. ATM its totally up to his agressivness if he scores 15 or 40. College defenses can do not much against him.

[ItsThatEasy]

To me, the Simmons thing is over. You have seen more than enough games from him at the college level to see he has no business even being in college. Automatic pros like this are super rare.

yeah basically.. You can just see he is toying with college Kids.
He is just this much Bigger,stronger,faster,better than everybody else.

I always get the feeling with Ben if he REALLY wanted it and had the mindset to do so he could easily average 35ppg so far.

He is not a "me first" type of scorer though and wants his TEAM to win. But you can just see how easy it is right now for him. ATM its totally up to his agressivness if he scores 15 or 40. College defenses can do not much against him.

I think he's also pretty disappointed in his teammates and coaching staff. I'm sure he didn't expect LSU to win a National title but he looks very surprised by how incompetent the program as a whole is operating around him. Now this could mean a few things for his NBA prospects especially if he ends up on the 76ers and doesn't take well to losing.

[sikma42]

To me, the Simmons thing is over. You have seen more than enough games from him at the college level to see he has no business even being in college. Automatic pros like this are super rare.

yeah basically.. You can just see he is toying with college Kids.
He is just this much Bigger,stronger,faster,better than everybody else.

I always get the feeling with Ben if he REALLY wanted it and had the mindset to do so he could easily average 35ppg so far.

He is not a "me first" type of scorer though and wants his TEAM to win. But you can just see how easy it is right now for him. ATM its totally up to his agressivness if he scores 15 or 40. College defenses can do not much against him.

I think he's also pretty disappointed in his teammates and coaching staff. I'm sure he didn't expect LSU to win a National title but he looks very surprised by how incompetent the program as a whole is operating around him. Now this could mean a few things for his NBA prospects especially if he ends up on the 76ers and doesn't take well to losing.

What has been incompetent so far? The team is talented and the coaching is adequate.

I'm sure he understood the choice he made going to LSU.



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[ItsThatEasy]

yeah basically.. You can just see he is toying with college Kids.
He is just this much Bigger,stronger,faster,better than everybody else.

I always get the feeling with Ben if he REALLY wanted it and had the mindset to do so he could easily average 35ppg so far.

He is not a "me first" type of scorer though and wants his TEAM to win. But you can just see how easy it is right now for him. ATM its totally up to his agressivness if he scores 15 or 40. College defenses can do not much against him.

I think he's also pretty disappointed in his teammates and coaching staff. I'm sure he didn't expect LSU to win a National title but he looks very surprised by how incompetent the program as a whole is operating around him. Now this could mean a few things for his NBA prospects especially if he ends up on the 76ers and doesn't take well to losing.

What has been incompetent so far? The team is talented and the coaching is adequate.

I'm sure he understood the choice he made going to LSU.



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Have you watched any LSU games?

Talent does not equal production. Simmons would be averaging a near triple double if his teammates were able to convert on open shots or finish around the rim. Not to mention the poor defense they display every game. He's surrounded by guys who were hyped as freshmen but are more so 2-3 year players, they shouldn't be counted on to be great their freshmen seasons.

The coaching adequate at best, often times the line-ups are uninspired and the offense shows no creativity. It's the Simmons show, give him the ball and stand around while he creates or post's up. That's great for us scouting him but it doesn't result in wins; or maybe it would if his teammates were able to convert those aforementioned open shots he earns for them.

[sikma42]

I think he's also pretty disappointed in his teammates and coaching staff. I'm sure he didn't expect LSU to win a National title but he looks very surprised by how incompetent the program as a whole is operating around him. Now this could mean a few things for his NBA prospects especially if he ends up on the 76ers and doesn't take well to losing.

What has been incompetent so far? The team is talented and the coaching is adequate.

I'm sure he understood the choice he made going to LSU.



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Have you watched any LSU games?

Talent does not equal production. Simmons would be averaging a near triple double if his teammates were able to convert on open shots or finish around the rim. Not to mention the poor defense they display every game. He's surrounded by guys who were hyped as freshmen but are more so 2-3 year players, they shouldn't be counted on to be great their freshmen seasons.

The coaching adequate at best, often times the line-ups are uninspired and the offense shows no creativity. It's the Simmons show, give him the ball and stand around while he creates or post's up. That's great for us scouting him but it doesn't result in wins; or maybe it would if his teammates were able to convert those aforementioned open shots he earns for them.

I dislike this new way of evaluating teams where we just single one player out and say that if this were different than he would be averaging this...

The team is fine...LSU is trending up and will be a borderline tourney team. This is about what they are talent wise. I'm not going to criticize them for not being all world players. He knew the situation when he came to LSU and the team as a whole is performing fine.

It's not like he hasn't had some disappearing acts so far. Guy is the number 1 pick and playing well, no need to through every under the bus to prop him up.




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[ItsThatEasy]

What has been incompetent so far? The team is talented and the coaching is adequate.

I'm sure he understood the choice he made going to LSU.



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Have you watched any LSU games?

Talent does not equal production. Simmons would be averaging a near triple double if his teammates were able to convert on open shots or finish around the rim. Not to mention the poor defense they display every game. He's surrounded by guys who were hyped as freshmen but are more so 2-3 year players, they shouldn't be counted on to be great their freshmen seasons.

The coaching adequate at best, often times the line-ups are uninspired and the offense shows no creativity. It's the Simmons show, give him the ball and stand around while he creates or post's up. That's great for us scouting him but it doesn't result in wins; or maybe it would if his teammates were able to convert those aforementioned open shots he earns for them.

I dislike this new way of evaluating teams where we just single one player out and say that if this were different than he would be averaging this...

The team is fine...LSU is trending up and will be a borderline tourney team. This is about what they are talent wise. I'm not going to criticize them for not being all world players. He knew the situation when he came to LSU and the team as a whole is performing fine.

It's not like he hasn't had some disappearing acts so far. Guy is the number 1 pick and playing well, no need to through every under the bus to prop him up.




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That's all fine and dandy, I'm not disagreeing but I don't understand how you can watch them this season and not agree that his teammates have come up short numerous times in comparison to him.

[Cammo101]

Simmons has no one to blame but himself if he is unhappy with his situation. He could have gone anywhere and chose a bottom feeder. If he is surprised they aren't Kentucky, then he really should have done more research.

[anubis0713]

To me, the Simmons thing is over. You have seen more than enough games from him at the college level to see he has no business even being in college. Automatic pros like this are super rare.

yeah basically.. You can just see he is toying with college Kids.
He is just this much Bigger,stronger,faster,better than everybody else.

I always get the feeling with Ben if he REALLY wanted it and had the mindset to do so he could easily average 35ppg so far.

He is not a "me first" type of scorer though and wants his TEAM to win. But you can just see how easy it is right now for him. ATM its totally up to his agressivness if he scores 15 or 40. College defenses can do not much against him.

I think he's also pretty disappointed in his teammates and coaching staff. I'm sure he didn't expect LSU to win a National title but he looks very surprised by how incompetent the program as a whole is operating around him. Now this could mean a few things for his NBA prospects especially if he ends up on the 76ers and doesn't take well to losing.

I think it has been great for him. He has shown he can be dominant in the best team in the country at Monverde with a stacked team. I think LSU will make the tournament which shows he can be dominant in a team that is not great and get them there when they have no chance without him.

I think it makes the transition much easier than if he was at say Oklahoma where at the moment he would have lost twice in 3 and a half years and going to a struggling team in the NBA.