Trae Young

[shakes0]

I hate the he has no one else playing with him defense.

How many NBA players are on the Texas Tech, Kansas, WVU, Iowa St., Alabama, N Texas teams? How many lottery picks are on those teams? Less than you would think. It's not the schemes. It's the fact that he looks pretty damn ordinary when he's playing against a avg NCAA pg.

Completely disagree with everything you said and probably believe in.

NBA players or not, having 5 major conference D1 athletes run at you the entire game en masse without any concern for your inept teammates is much tougher defense than anyone in the NBA is facing.

Logic has flaw. Young also has 4 major conference D1 full scholarship TEAMMATES around him who can score or make a screen wall for him. Unless you prove his Oklahoma teammates are so much worse than Iowa St, Baylor, Texas or Oklahoma State average start or bench players, it cannot explain why Young's shooting FG% is so low and his teammates cannot get enough open shot to score.

How many times have you seen OU play this year? I've watched every game aside from a couple at the very beginning of the season. there's a reason OU won 11 games last year without Trae, they are that bad. So yes, they are far worse than the players at Iowa St, Baylor, Texas, OSU etc. I could go down the list of every player in the rotation and point out just how horrible they all are if you like, happy to do it.

Without a doubt, Trae plays with the worst collection of players on any team in major college basketball.

It's amazing what Trae is doing this year with the teammates he has. He's doing what Ben Simmons and Markele Fultz couldn't even come close to doing...and those guys had better teammates than Trae.

[nolang1]

Completely disagree with everything you said and probably believe in.

NBA players or not, having 5 major conference D1 athletes run at you the entire game en masse without any concern for your inept teammates is much tougher defense than anyone in the NBA is facing.

Logic has flaw. Young also has 4 major conference D1 full scholarship TEAMMATES around him who can score or make a screen wall for him. Unless you prove his Oklahoma teammates are so much worse than Iowa St, Baylor, Texas or Oklahoma State average start or bench players, it cannot explain why Young's shooting FG% is so low and his teammates cannot get enough open shot to score.

How many times have you seen OU play this year? I've watched every game aside from a couple at the very beginning of the season. there's a reason OU won 11 games last year without Trae, they are that bad. So yes, they are far worse than the players at Iowa St, Baylor, Texas, OSU etc. I could go down the list of every player in the rotation and point out just how horrible they all are if you like, happy to do it.

Without a doubt, Trae plays with the worst collection of players on any team in major college basketball.

It's amazing what Trae is doing this year with the teammates he has. He's doing what Ben Simmons and Markele Fultz couldn't even come close to doing...and those guys had better teammates than Trae.

No, this has been pretty thoroughly debunked. OU played the toughest schedule in the country and had a lot of extremely close losses last year. By statistical ranking systems, they were as good as a solid NIT team. Then they brought back 4 starters and have another freshman besides Young who was good enough to take one of the returning starters’ spots.

[baca]

Completely disagree with everything you said and probably believe in.

NBA players or not, having 5 major conference D1 athletes run at you the entire game en masse without any concern for your inept teammates is much tougher defense than anyone in the NBA is facing.

Logic has flaw. Young also has 4 major conference D1 full scholarship TEAMMATES around him who can score or make a screen wall for him. Unless you prove his Oklahoma teammates are so much worse than Iowa St, Baylor, Texas or Oklahoma State average start or bench players, it cannot explain why Young's shooting FG% is so low and his teammates cannot get enough open shot to score.

How many times have you seen OU play this year? I've watched every game aside from a couple at the very beginning of the season. there's a reason OU won 11 games last year without Trae, they are that bad. So yes, they are far worse than the players at Iowa St, Baylor, Texas, OSU etc. I could go down the list of every player in the rotation and point out just how horrible they all are if you like, happy to do it.

Without a doubt, Trae plays with the worst collection of players on any team in major college basketball.

It's amazing what Trae is doing this year with the teammates he has. He's doing what Ben Simmons and Markele Fultz couldn't even come close to doing...and those guys had better teammates than Trae.

I live in big 12 area and watch big 12 bball every year. You try to undersell other team member's develop and effort in OU team. OU team still has one of their 2016 Final Four team starter Khadeem Lattin on the team, who is better than half of big 12 players.

Last year OU team actually stood in 65th ranking in Kenpom efficiency, better than this year Oklahoma State 69th and TREMENDOUSLY better than this year Iowa state ranked 98th. As people mentioned, 2017 OU team just had worst luck (344th) of all NCAA team, they actually were better than you think.

Iowa State is much worse than last year's OU team, and they still beat Trae Young's team. Simply and easy, just make him switch to gun shot mode, and put best athletic guy on him. Young kept bad shot selection, and lost the game.

[No-Man]

Iowa St. has more talent than OU's team other than Young, they might be bad by the numbers but they have more talented players, easy

Obviously they don't have Trae, but they actually have 3 different perimeter players that can create, and some solid bigs, the issue with OU is that nobody can create, it's a team of finishers and Trae Young basically, even teams that lack talent overall, tend to have at least 2 guys that can do something with the ball.

[IllmaticHandler]

Id actually like to see him on the Knicks more than on the Magic or the Suns.

The knicks have Muniday and frank under contract..if they did this, legit their best 3 prospects would be PGs(don't see it happening)

Lol Mudiay is trash. And Ntilikina is probably going to be a Marcus Smart type player. Players like those dont stop a team from drafting players that might be better.

Dont ever mention this cat with my Knicks ever again . He is mostly hated on our board. Chucking Midget, who is a TO machine. No thanks.

[The-Power]

If Young pans out, his fit with Ntilikina and Porzingis – if he accepts to be more involved in the PnR – would be great. Young, Ntilikina, Hardaway and Porzingis would not be a bad fit as a core to build around. Obviously, this core needs Young and Frank to develop well in order to get anywhere.

Generally speaking, the Knicks needs reliable dribble penetration and shot creation. Nobody more suited to provide this than Young in the upcoming draft, although I realize that he's not a pick without risk. I'm still of the opinion that all three of Doncic, Young and Porter should be high on the Knicks list. They need perimeter talent more than they do a big next to Porzingis – the type of big you need next to Kristaps is relatively easy to find even though the upside of the players you can realistically pick up is limited.

[Alatan]

The knicks have Muniday and frank under contract..if they did this, legit their best 3 prospects would be PGs(don't see it happening)

Lol Mudiay is trash. And Ntilikina is probably going to be a Marcus Smart type player. Players like those dont stop a team from drafting players that might be better.

Dont ever mention this cat with my Knicks ever again . He is mostly hated on our board. Chucking Midget, who is a TO machine. No thanks.

Haha ok.

[baca]

Iowa St. has more talent than OU's team other than Young, they might be bad by the numbers but they have more talented players, easy

Obviously they don't have Trae, but they actually have 3 different perimeter players that can create, and some solid bigs, the issue with OU is that nobody can create, it's a team of finishers and Trae Young basically, even teams that lack talent overall, tend to have at least 2 guys that can do something with the ball.

Twist whatever you want. You try to give all credits to Trae Young and describe his teammates are no where near any other D1 major conference players, which is not true. If a player is given ALL credit to bring OU from bottom of conference to top 25, he also needs take ALL blame for 6 straight losses in conference game.

Iowa State are having exactly same conference wins (4) as OU last year. So maybe Iowa State has 3 different players can create, they still get same conference win with the "no one can create and make shots" last year OU team. Also, they are 98th VS 65th in Kenpom ranking.

Iowa State this year are bad, but they can still locked down Trae and won the game. They don't really have any future NBA level players maybe except Lindell Wigginton after 2-3 years.

[dred926]

the bigs that OU have isnt even half the player of how good Govan and derrickson are for georgetown put trae young to that squad they might even give villanova a run for their money.

Lattin is a one trick undersized pf/C . mcnease is the javale mcgee of college those guys werent even ranked

hell if trae young is playing for texas tech he might make the case for being the first pick.

Manek has been exposed and isnt even starting now.

Trae Young best trait is he doesnt quit even if the team is down he hasnt showed the lack of interest unlike some of the young guys that we have in NBA. He doesnt even care about efficiency when they are trailing, even the greatest basketball players now care less about shooting eff what matters is the W. I believe Young has that dog in him that cant be taught.

[shakes0]

Logic has flaw. Young also has 4 major conference D1 full scholarship TEAMMATES around him who can score or make a screen wall for him. Unless you prove his Oklahoma teammates are so much worse than Iowa St, Baylor, Texas or Oklahoma State average start or bench players, it cannot explain why Young's shooting FG% is so low and his teammates cannot get enough open shot to score.

How many times have you seen OU play this year? I've watched every game aside from a couple at the very beginning of the season. there's a reason OU won 11 games last year without Trae, they are that bad. So yes, they are far worse than the players at Iowa St, Baylor, Texas, OSU etc. I could go down the list of every player in the rotation and point out just how horrible they all are if you like, happy to do it.

Without a doubt, Trae plays with the worst collection of players on any team in major college basketball.

It's amazing what Trae is doing this year with the teammates he has. He's doing what Ben Simmons and Markele Fultz couldn't even come close to doing...and those guys had better teammates than Trae.

I live in big 12 area and watch big 12 bball every year. You try to undersell other team member's develop and effort in OU team. OU team still has one of their 2016 Final Four team starter Khadeem Lattin on the team, who is better than half of big 12 players.

Last year OU team actually stood in 65th ranking in Kenpom efficiency, better than this year Oklahoma State 69th and TREMENDOUSLY better than this year Iowa state ranked 98th. As people mentioned, 2017 OU team just had worst luck (344th) of all NCAA team, they actually were better than you think.

Iowa State is much worse than last year's OU team, and they still beat Trae Young's team. Simply and easy, just make him switch to gun shot mode, and put best athletic guy on him. Young kept bad shot selection, and lost the game.

LOl Khadeem Lattin? Is this a joke post? Latin is so good he's been removed from the starting lineup due to his offensive ineptness. You're seriously hyping up a 7 footer who is probably only about 40% on wide open uncontested dunks. I've seen him get his dunks blocked by the rim more than I've seen him make them. He's inarguably one of the worst offensive players in all of college basketball.

Iowa State is MUCH better than OU aside from Trae, it's not even close.

[baca]

How many times have you seen OU play this year? I've watched every game aside from a couple at the very beginning of the season. there's a reason OU won 11 games last year without Trae, they are that bad. So yes, they are far worse than the players at Iowa St, Baylor, Texas, OSU etc. I could go down the list of every player in the rotation and point out just how horrible they all are if you like, happy to do it.

Without a doubt, Trae plays with the worst collection of players on any team in major college basketball.

It's amazing what Trae is doing this year with the teammates he has. He's doing what Ben Simmons and Markele Fultz couldn't even come close to doing...and those guys had better teammates than Trae.

I live in big 12 area and watch big 12 bball every year. You try to undersell other team member's develop and effort in OU team. OU team still has one of their 2016 Final Four team starter Khadeem Lattin on the team, who is better than half of big 12 players.

Last year OU team actually stood in 65th ranking in Kenpom efficiency, better than this year Oklahoma State 69th and TREMENDOUSLY better than this year Iowa state ranked 98th. As people mentioned, 2017 OU team just had worst luck (344th) of all NCAA team, they actually were better than you think.

Iowa State is much worse than last year's OU team, and they still beat Trae Young's team. Simply and easy, just make him switch to gun shot mode, and put best athletic guy on him. Young kept bad shot selection, and lost the game.

LOl Khadeem Lattin? Is this a joke post? Latin is so good he's been removed from the starting lineup due to his offensive ineptness. You're seriously hyping up a 7 footer who is probably only about 40% on wide open uncontested dunks. I've seen him get his dunks blocked by the rim more than I've seen him make them. He's inarguably one of the worst offensive players in all of college basketball.

Iowa State is MUCH better than OU aside from Trae, it's not even close.

See the previous post, no support evidence or stats to show Iowa State is much better than OU last year team. Not from conference play result, severely lower Kenpom ranking. Lattin is not a joke, at least he is still better than Iowa State staring center Solomon Young.

Then Iowa State have this OU team, control Young to 7/21 and get one of their 4 conference win.

[shakes0]

I live in big 12 area and watch big 12 bball every year. You try to undersell other team member's develop and effort in OU team. OU team still has one of their 2016 Final Four team starter Khadeem Lattin on the team, who is better than half of big 12 players.

Last year OU team actually stood in 65th ranking in Kenpom efficiency, better than this year Oklahoma State 69th and TREMENDOUSLY better than this year Iowa state ranked 98th. As people mentioned, 2017 OU team just had worst luck (344th) of all NCAA team, they actually were better than you think.

Iowa State is much worse than last year's OU team, and they still beat Trae Young's team. Simply and easy, just make him switch to gun shot mode, and put best athletic guy on him. Young kept bad shot selection, and lost the game.

LOl Khadeem Lattin? Is this a joke post? Latin is so good he's been removed from the starting lineup due to his offensive ineptness. You're seriously hyping up a 7 footer who is probably only about 40% on wide open uncontested dunks. I've seen him get his dunks blocked by the rim more than I've seen him make them. He's inarguably one of the worst offensive players in all of college basketball.

Iowa State is MUCH better than OU aside from Trae, it's not even close.

See the previous post, no support evidence or stats to show Iowa State is much better than OU last year team. Not from conference play result, severely lower Kenpom ranking. Lattin is not a joke, at least he is still better than Iowa State staring center Solomon Young.

Then Iowa State have this OU team, control Young to 7/21 and get one of their 4 conference win.

yea Lattin is so good he got himself yanked out of the starting lineup 2 weeks ago.


Bet you didn't even know that since it seems obvious you don't actually watch the games. People who try and use Kenpom to prove a point only prove that they don't really know what they are talking about.

[Axolotl]

Trae Young has in him the possibility of being something special. But he is also a major bust risk, if his game does not translate.

As a defender he clearly comes from the James Harden Academy of Defence, and is about as good as a flower pot.

A constantly repeated statement is that Young is no Steph Curry, but even Steph Curry wasn't The Steph Curry when he was drafted. There were doubts of his game transitioning to NBA, and worries about his chucking and questionable shot selection...

[SeattleJazzFan]

young's teammates suck. anybody who watches them game to game knows that. McNeace can finish, sometimes James and Manek can hit the three, McGusty can do some things, but considering how easy Young makes the game for them, they should be a lot better than they are. considering they don't have anybody shooting 40%+ from three with the looks Young gives them and the defense leaving them to defend Young, is telling.

[nolang1]

young's teammates suck. anybody who watches them game to game knows that. McNeace can finish, sometimes James and Manek can hit the three, McGusty can do some things, but considering how easy Young makes the game for them, they should be a lot better than they are. considering they don't have anybody shooting 40%+ from three with the looks Young gives them and the defense leaving them to defend Young, is telling.

His teammates are covering for him on defense (OU was 39th in adjusted defensive efficiency last year and is 108th this year despite bringing back everyone back but the PG Young replaced). If these players could create their own offense, play that kind of defense, and shoot 40+ percent from 3 (quite a few of them were above that mark earlier in the year but nobody was talking about how Young was on a stacked team then), they’d be in the NBA already.

Trae Young has in him the possibility of being something special. But he is also a major bust risk, if his game does not translate.

As a defender he clearly comes from the James Harden Academy of Defence, and is about as good as a flower pot.

A constantly repeated statement is that Young is no Steph Curry, but even Steph Curry wasn't The Steph Curry when he was drafted. There were doubts of his game transitioning to NBA, and worries about his chucking and questionable shot selection...

I don’t think there’s that much more of a bust risk than for anyone else, it’s just that it’s more likely he becomes a worse-defending version of Lillard than Curry and that’s a player I’d be more hesitant about picking in the top 3 and offering a max contract to down the road.

[SeattleJazzFan]

young's teammates suck. anybody who watches them game to game knows that. McNeace can finish, sometimes James and Manek can hit the three, McGusty can do some things, but considering how easy Young makes the game for them, they should be a lot better than they are. considering they don't have anybody shooting 40%+ from three with the looks Young gives them and the defense leaving them to defend Young, is telling.

His teammates are covering for him on defense (OU was 39th in adjusted defensive efficiency last year and is 108th this year despite bringing back everyone back but the PG Young replaced). If these players could create their own offense, play that kind of defense, and shoot 40+ percent from 3 (quite a few of them were above that mark earlier in the year but nobody was talking about how Young was on a stacked team then), they’d be in the NBA already.

nobody is asking them to do all that. just hit your wide open threes young's presence out there gives you. also, the wide open looks at the rim they have trouble finishing on a consistent basis. they don't have to create their own offense - young is doing that for them.

[No-Man]

Young's teammates miss so many freaking passes from him, it's hilarious, they either can't see the same passing lanes or just fumble passes all over, I swear with regular talent Young would have had multiple +20 assists games this season, no question, freaking Manek, who is good for a frosh (and having a slump in conference play is normal), had trouble finishing even in transition at least once or twice per game, when Trae hit the go-ahead pass to him, it's just ridiculous to watch at times.

[nolang1]

Young's teammates miss so many freaking passes from him, it's hilarious, they either can't see the same passing lanes or just fumble passes all over, I swear with regular talent Young would have had multiple +20 assists games this season, no question, freaking Manek, who is good for a frosh (and having a slump in conference play is normal), had trouble finishing even in transition at least once or twice per game, when Trae hit the go-ahead pass to him, it's just ridiculous to watch at times.

And if they were regular defensively OU would just be losing conference games 110-105. Assists aren’t a very valuable stat in the first place and Young has already shown himself to be good at passing regardless of how many he records.

[doordoor123]

Young's teammates miss so many freaking passes from him, it's hilarious, they either can't see the same passing lanes or just fumble passes all over, I swear with regular talent Young would have had multiple +20 assists games this season, no question, freaking Manek, who is good for a frosh (and having a slump in conference play is normal), had trouble finishing even in transition at least once or twice per game, when Trae hit the go-ahead pass to him, it's just ridiculous to watch at times.

And if they were regular defensively OU would just be losing conference games 110-105. Assists aren’t a very valuable stat in the first place and Young has already shown himself to be good at passing regardless of how many he records.

I argue assists is the most important stat as it makes the team better and the whole point of basketball is to make the team win. Also every MVP has a high assist rate. And there are teams that build their teams around passing. Especially now that iso-ball is becoming non-existent. The Raptors literally took apart their iso-team to become a passing team and became much better because of that. Even DeMar DeRozan started to pass and has become a better player for it.

[nolang1]

Young's teammates miss so many freaking passes from him, it's hilarious, they either can't see the same passing lanes or just fumble passes all over, I swear with regular talent Young would have had multiple +20 assists games this season, no question, freaking Manek, who is good for a frosh (and having a slump in conference play is normal), had trouble finishing even in transition at least once or twice per game, when Trae hit the go-ahead pass to him, it's just ridiculous to watch at times.

And if they were regular defensively OU would just be losing conference games 110-105. Assists aren’t a very valuable stat in the first place and Young has already shown himself to be good at passing regardless of how many he records.

I argue assists is the most important stat as it makes the team better and the whole point of basketball is to make the team win. Also every MVP has a high assist rate. And there are teams that build their teams around passing. Especially now that iso-ball is becoming non-existent. The Raptors literally took apart their iso-team to become a passing team and became much better because of that. Even DeMar DeRozan started to pass and has become a better player for it.

No, passing the ball well makes the team better. Passing the ball well isn't that closely tied to getting a lot of assists. If Trae Young had gotten 20+ assists because his teammates were shooting 80% on catch-and-shoot jumpers or whatever one thinks 'regular' talent should be capable of, that doesn't make him any better of a passer.