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Post#881 » by RookieStar » Sat Mar 3, 2018 5:47 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Could Trae Young drop below 7? If so who rises?


if his team doesnt progress far in the tourney and say Carter with Duke or one of the bridges puts up insane numbers enroute to the Final Four..
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Post#882 » by PLO » Sat Mar 3, 2018 6:31 am

He won't drop far; there's only two players who project as starting primary creator types in this draft and he's one of them. I think the only teams you can rule him out for in terms of need who are in top 10 consideration are Boston, the Mavs, and possibly the 76ers. Every other team there could do with him. I think teams will look at his current shooting woes as more of a blip and look at how his addition will unlock the other talent they have on their rosters. They'll also be looking at how their roster will cover up his deficiencies (especially defensive).

There's a reason guys like Curry, Kyrie etc are paid the big bucks in the NBA - even if they think he's only 70% of those players that's still a top 5 pick.

Of real interest to me is how teams will be comparing him to other prospects with flaws like Bamba and Bagley - I would have thought Trae Young's primary creation upside would trump anything those players offer given their obvious flaws. A player like Young has the potential to make your entire roster better while someone like Bagley will probably run up good offensive numbers while being overall a detriment to your entire team.
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shakes0 wrote:I hope they put Simmons on Trae. He'll foul him out by the 3rd quarter. plus Simmons can't stay in front of Trae. No one can.
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Post#883 » by Cheesin » Sat Mar 3, 2018 6:42 am

PLO wrote:He won't drop far; there's only two players who project as starting primary creator types in this draft and he's one of them. I think the only teams you can rule him out for in terms of need who are in top 10 consideration are Boston, the Mavs, and possibly the 76ers. Every other team there could do with him. I think teams will look at his current shooting woes as more of a blip and look at how his addition will unlock the other talent they have on their rosters. They'll also be looking at how their roster will cover up his deficiencies (especially defensive).

There's a reason guys like Curry, Kyrie etc are paid the big bucks in the NBA - even if they think he's only 70% of those players that's still a top 5 pick.

Of real interest to me is how teams will be comparing him to other prospects with flaws like Bamba and Bagley - I would have thought Trae Young's primary creation upside would trump anything those players offer given their obvious flaws. A player like Young has the potential to make your entire roster better while someone like Bagley will probably run up good offensive numbers while being overall a detriment to your entire team.


The hawks best player is a PG, they aren't taking him
Kings just drafted Fox and have buddy and bojan in the backcourt too
Grizzlies have conely making max money
The Cavs have Hill and Clarkson making 35 million combined next year...I think they draft a big
The bulls have Dunn..he's been solid..I think they draft a big too.


The only teams I see taking him in the top 10 tbh is the Suns, Magic and maybe knicks(again, their best 2 prospects are pg's)

And if the Suns and Magic are in the top 3? no way they take young imo...

He's falling to the Clippers...book it!
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Post#884 » by PLO » Sat Mar 3, 2018 7:03 am

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PLO wrote:He won't drop far; there's only two players who project as starting primary creator types in this draft and he's one of them. I think the only teams you can rule him out for in terms of need who are in top 10 consideration are Boston, the Mavs, and possibly the 76ers. Every other team there could do with him. I think teams will look at his current shooting woes as more of a blip and look at how his addition will unlock the other talent they have on their rosters. They'll also be looking at how their roster will cover up his deficiencies (especially defensive).

There's a reason guys like Curry, Kyrie etc are paid the big bucks in the NBA - even if they think he's only 70% of those players that's still a top 5 pick.

Of real interest to me is how teams will be comparing him to other prospects with flaws like Bamba and Bagley - I would have thought Trae Young's primary creation upside would trump anything those players offer given their obvious flaws. A player like Young has the potential to make your entire roster better while someone like Bagley will probably run up good offensive numbers while being overall a detriment to your entire team.


The hawks best player is a PG, they aren't taking him
Kings just drafted Fox and have buddy and bojan in the backcourt too
Grizzlies have conely making max money
The Cavs have Hill and Clarkson making 35 million combined next year...I think they draft a big
The bulls have Dunn..he's been solid..I think they draft a big too.


The only teams I see taking him in the top 10 tbh is the Suns, Magic and maybe knicks(again, their best 2 prospects are pg's)

And if the Suns and Magic are in the top 3? no way they take young imo...

He's falling to the Clippers...book it!


You make some fair points but he can realistically play off ball with his range. I'm not sure the Hawks are sold on Schroder as their PG of the future. lol. The Kings you are probably right about I missed on them but apparently Divac and the owner were enamoured with Buddy because they thought he could be Steph Curry; do you think they'll pass on Young who is much more Curry than Buddy ever was? However Fox is getting trucked on defense because he's so light and adding Young to the mix would be a disaster on that end of the floor so probably you are right there.

The Grizz and the Bulls actually have an ideal situation for Young to go to: alongside a defensive minded guard who can be secondary creators alongside Young and cover up his defensive holes - I don't think the fact they have money tied up at the position means they wouldn't be interested in adding a Young for around $20 million over 4 years. For the Cavs neither Hill or Clarkson are long term answers for them and neither are primary creators anyway.

The Knicks could definitely take him; apparently the new FO regards Frank N as the last mistake of the previous management so aren't tied to him long-term (unfortunate as I really like him as a prospect) Orlando and the Suns would definitely love him as you say. Orlando in particular look like they are clearing the deck to pick up Young or Doncic in the draft.
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shakes0 wrote:I hope they put Simmons on Trae. He'll foul him out by the 3rd quarter. plus Simmons can't stay in front of Trae. No one can.
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Post#885 » by JMac1 » Sat Mar 3, 2018 1:50 pm

As a Suns fan, I would love to have him. With Booker and JJ on the wings, he would have plenty of room to do what he was doing early in the season. Ayton has surpassed him on my list, and JJJ is right there, but Trae is the truth......
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Post#886 » by SeattleJazzFan » Sat Mar 3, 2018 5:24 pm

JMac1 wrote:As a Suns fan, I would love to have him. With Booker and JJ on the wings, he would have plenty of room to do what he was doing early in the season. Ayton has surpassed him on my list, and JJJ is right there, but Trae is the truth......


he's be great on the Suns, would put up numbers, but man, their defense would continue to be brutal. even worse, if that's possible.
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Post#887 » by JMac1 » Sat Mar 3, 2018 6:20 pm

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JMac1 wrote:As a Suns fan, I would love to have him. With Booker and JJ on the wings, he would have plenty of room to do what he was doing early in the season. Ayton has surpassed him on my list, and JJJ is right there, but Trae is the truth......


he's be great on the Suns, would put up numbers, but man, their defense would continue to be brutal. even worse, if that's possible.


That’s what they said about Steph!
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Post#888 » by Ettorefm » Mon Mar 5, 2018 1:55 pm

JMac1 wrote:
SeattleJazzFan wrote:
JMac1 wrote:As a Suns fan, I would love to have him. With Booker and JJ on the wings, he would have plenty of room to do what he was doing early in the season. Ayton has surpassed him on my list, and JJJ is right there, but Trae is the truth......


he's be great on the Suns, would put up numbers, but man, their defense would continue to be brutal. even worse, if that's possible.


That’s what they said about Steph!


Booker is not Klay, we have no Draymond, no DPOY level C (Bogut at one time), no Iguodala...

The Suns have no plus defenders since Tucker left (maybe Tyson?). Drafting Young would be a disaster.

I'd much rather take JJJ, Bamba, Ayton than Young.
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Post#889 » by TheSuzerain » Mon Mar 5, 2018 3:52 pm

Philly would be an amazing fit.
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Post#890 » by Patsfan1081 » Mon Mar 5, 2018 5:04 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:Philly would be an amazing fit.


Can't see him falling that far down, Philly will most likely end up with one of the Bridges.
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Post#891 » by JMac1 » Mon Mar 5, 2018 5:21 pm

Ettorefm wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
SeattleJazzFan wrote:
he's be great on the Suns, would put up numbers, but man, their defense would continue to be brutal. even worse, if that's possible.


That’s what they said about Steph!


Booker is not Klay, we have no Draymond, no DPOY level C (Bogut at one time), no Iguodala...

The Suns have no plus defenders since Tucker left (maybe Tyson?). Drafting Young would be a disaster.

I'd much rather take JJJ, Bamba, Ayton than Young.



And GS wasn’t that at the time of the draft, neither was Klay. U are comparing today’s GS not the one when Klay was 21 and Steph was 20.
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Post#892 » by GrandTheftRondo » Mon Mar 5, 2018 5:41 pm

JMac1 wrote:
Ettorefm wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
That’s what they said about Steph!


Booker is not Klay, we have no Draymond, no DPOY level C (Bogut at one time), no Iguodala...

The Suns have no plus defenders since Tucker left (maybe Tyson?). Drafting Young would be a disaster.

I'd much rather take JJJ, Bamba, Ayton than Young.


And GS wasn’t that at the time of the draft, neither was Klay. U are comparing today’s GS not the one when Klay was 21 and Steph was 20.

Yeah the Warriors traded away their second best player in Monta so Klay was the future and their defence would improve.

The Suns are not going to move Booker so unless you want a defensive train wreck there’s no way you draft Young.
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Post#893 » by JMac1 » Mon Mar 5, 2018 5:54 pm

GrandTheftRondo wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
Ettorefm wrote:
Booker is not Klay, we have no Draymond, no DPOY level C (Bogut at one time), no Iguodala...

The Suns have no plus defenders since Tucker left (maybe Tyson?). Drafting Young would be a disaster.

I'd much rather take JJJ, Bamba, Ayton than Young.


And GS wasn’t that at the time of the draft, neither was Klay. U are comparing today’s GS not the one when Klay was 21 and Steph was 20.

Yeah the Warriors traded away their second best player in Monta so Klay was the future and their defence would improve.

The Suns are not going to move Booker so unless you want a defensive train wreck there’s no way you draft Young.


Is his defense worse than Steve Nash?!? I disagree.
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Post#894 » by GrandTheftRondo » Mon Mar 5, 2018 5:55 pm

JMac1 wrote:
GrandTheftRondo wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
And GS wasn’t that at the time of the draft, neither was Klay. U are comparing today’s GS not the one when Klay was 21 and Steph was 20.

Yeah the Warriors traded away their second best player in Monta so Klay was the future and their defence would improve.

The Suns are not going to move Booker so unless you want a defensive train wreck there’s no way you draft Young.


Is his defense worse than Steve Nash?!? I disagree.

Back when Nash was in the league pick and rolls weren’t nearly as big as they were now.

You have two guards that cannot defend the pick and roll and you’re going to be an awful defensive team.
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Post#895 » by JMac1 » Mon Mar 5, 2018 6:15 pm

GrandTheftRondo wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
GrandTheftRondo wrote:Yeah the Warriors traded away their second best player in Monta so Klay was the future and their defence would improve.

The Suns are not going to move Booker so unless you want a defensive train wreck there’s no way you draft Young.


Is his defense worse than Steve Nash?!? I disagree.

Back when Nash was in the league pick and rolls weren’t nearly as big as they were now.

You have two guards that cannot defend the pick and roll and you’re going to be an awful defensive team.


You can rationalize your point to days end. I disagree. If you think Trae’s start to the season was a fluke, the ok, don’t draft him, but if you think it was because teams could load up on him because of no help from teammates, then Trae’s offense is enough to compensate for his defense. Also,what defender is stopping a great offensive player?

Trae and Booker together would do more damage than the opposing back court Not named Curry and Klay than the other would to them with their great defense....and what PG and SG are so good both ways where Booker and Trae wouldn’t be a positive all around?

Curry went 7th for your reasoning.
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Post#896 » by eminence » Tue Mar 6, 2018 12:48 am

Regarding turnovers. Trae Young doesn't have a turnover problem by any sort of adjusted for volume type of stat. He turns it over a lot because he has the ball a ton, way more than any other player in the nation. Using ElGee's Offensive Load stat he's at 64.9, Sexton is 2nd among guards I've plugged in at 47.6.
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Post#897 » by nolang1 » Thu Mar 8, 2018 12:57 am

OU is down 11 at half to Oklahoma State. Young has 11 points (3-7 on threes, 1-5 on twos, no free throw attempts) along with 2 assists and 3 turnovers. Might not see him in the NCAA tournament if the Sooners lose this game.
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Post#898 » by azcatz11 » Thu Mar 8, 2018 1:58 am

nolang1 wrote:OU is down 11 at half to Oklahoma State. Young has 11 points (3-7 on threes, 1-5 on twos, no free throw attempts) along with 2 assists and 3 turnovers. Might not see him in the NCAA tournament if the Sooners lose this game.


Good. They shouldn't make it. He's not even an NBA Player. So glad this hype train is about to be over
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Post#899 » by 916fan » Thu Mar 8, 2018 6:29 am

First 15 games: 29.2pts 10.2asts 3.8rebs 2stls 4.5tos on 44.9/38.9/85.1
Last 15 games: 25.9pts 7.5asts 4.0rebs 1.4stls 6.0tos on 40/33.3/87

His assists:TO have worsen by a lot. He's turning the ball over a lot more now. He's also shooting a lot worse at only 40% in the last 15 games.

Most of my concerns I had from his first 5 games are still unanswered now.
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Post#900 » by Duke4life831 » Thu Mar 8, 2018 7:08 am

Kenpom has OU at 48th right now. But with their play as of late I highly doubt they get into the tournament. I'm very curious if they don't make the the tournament if Young will play in the NIT.

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