Marvin Bagley

[Alatan]

That's a lie. He was 208 back then. He's 235 now...

Didnt know height is measured in pounds.

You're right misread that. Still are we even sure that's true?

Im cant be sure but that the best available info i got through a quick search. It is also coincides with what ive seen of him. If someone has better info im open to be corrected.

[RookieStar]

Well the good news is when the draft measurements arrive, we will finally know if he stopped growing when he was 15 or not.

[Duke4life831]

Well the good news is when the draft measurements arrive, we will finally know if he stopped growing when he was 15 or not.

I highly doubt he is going to the scouting combine. So I doubt we will get any official numbers.

[RookieStar]

Well the good news is when the draft measurements arrive, we will finally know if he stopped growing when he was 15 or not.

I highly doubt he is going to the scouting combine. So I doubt we will get any official numbers.

*sigh* is he another one of those scared of being measured guys?

[JMac1]

Well the good news is when the draft measurements arrive, we will finally know if he stopped growing when he was 15 or not.

I highly doubt he is going to the scouting combine. So I doubt we will get any official numbers.

*sigh* is he another one of those scared of being measured guys?

He said he highly doubt it. Also, he doesn’t have to go to the combine to get measured. He can get measured at his workout.

Bagley is so underrated. SMH. People act as if he wasn’t a freshman and is a complete product. How can people see his feet, hops, quickeness, agility, smooth stroke and motor and not think stud?!?

Once he is a full time pro and develops his right hand and increases his shooting rang (which is still solid) what are you gonna do with him. I get the Amare/ Bosh comparison all day. Nah, who would want that type of player?

Don’t trust those Duke haters.

[RookieStar]

Oh im far from a Duke-hater... I just cant get the fact out of my mind that people still use the old measurement of Bags and wouldn't expect him to grow a few inches.

[JMac1]

Oh im far from a Duke-hater... I just cant get the fact out of my mind that people still use the old measurement of Bags and wouldn't expect him to grow a few inches.

Oh, I was talking about him as an overall player. There is nothing I see on the court that makes me want to take measurements to critique him One way or the other. I have all the info I need.

[springcadre]

He’s going to be the best player in the draft ten years down the line, this is the kid you build a franchise around. Take note Atlanta and Dallas

[NDave79]

I think the wingspan thing gets blown out of proportion. A 7'0.5" wingspan is not great but it's not horrible. His explosive leaping ability and how freakishly quick he can jump to me makes up for his average length. I don't think he's a poor rim protector because a lack of length. It's because he showed horrible timing when it came to protecting the rim. Then if you want to talk about his length guarding out on the perimeter, a 7 foot wingspan plus his tremendous lateral quickness is more than plenty.

Your comment regarding his lateral quickness got me thinking. Do you (or anyone else who has an opinion on the matter) think Bagley has the potential to develop into an effective defender of the elite, tall, perimeter oriented type players? More specifically, I'm thinking of guys like Giannis, Lebron, Durant, Paul George, etc.

I don't recall seeing him in many perimeter defense situations, but in the Stepien scouting report they did have this to say

Rare ability to crouch low in his stance for his size guarding on-ball and switch due to being light on his feet. Has the ability to mirror ball-handlers.

https://www.thestepien.com/marvin-bagley/

[Duke4life831]

I think the wingspan thing gets blown out of proportion. A 7'0.5" wingspan is not great but it's not horrible. His explosive leaping ability and how freakishly quick he can jump to me makes up for his average length. I don't think he's a poor rim protector because a lack of length. It's because he showed horrible timing when it came to protecting the rim. Then if you want to talk about his length guarding out on the perimeter, a 7 foot wingspan plus his tremendous lateral quickness is more than plenty.

Your comment regarding his lateral quickness got me thinking. Do you (or anyone else who has an opinion on the matter) think Bagley has the potential to develop into an effective defender of the elite, tall, perimeter oriented type players? More specifically, I'm thinking of guys like Giannis, Lebron, Durant, Paul George, etc.

I don't recall seeing him in many perimeter defense situations, but in the Stepien scouting report they did have this to say

Rare ability to crouch low in his stance for his size guarding on-ball and switch due to being light on his feet. Has the ability to mirror ball-handlers.

https://www.thestepien.com/marvin-bagley/

I'm clearly higher on Bagley than most, so you can take what I say with a grain of salt. But I thought he was a good perimeter defender this past year. I get his defender gets picked apart because he's not a rim protector, but I think he can still be a good defender without being a good rim protector. Ben Simmons has shown this during this season. I think Bagley can end up being a good versatile defender, especially in today's game where switching is so important. I thought Bagley was able to get in a good defensive position and use his motor and athletic abilities to guard out on the perimeter. Give him a few years to improve his technique and I think he can be a good defender.

I also want to make this clear, I don't think he has DPOY or all defense type of potential. But I think there are more tiers than just elite defender and being a negative defender. I think he can be a positive on the defensive end, but not game changing.

[King Ken]

Him and Bamba will shoot up the board when workouts start. Right now, there is a gap to many pundits and even scouts with Ayton/Doncic and 3/4/5. Once teams see how talented and gifted Bagley and Bamba is. They will move them right there with Doncic and Ayton.

[RipCity71252]

After another month or so, my opinion on Bagley hasn't changed much. Safe pick in the top 7.

High Floor / Ok Upside (25th-45th best player in his prime)

Fit dependent at the PF and not good enough or big enough on D to be a full-time 5. This limits his value. In terms of rpm, he feels like a guy that will float between 1-3.5 during prime years. Will need a high level creator to return full offensive value.

[DryPaint]

no way bamba goes before bagley.

[MemphisX]

Fascinating thread from start to finish...

[nolang1]

I think the wingspan thing gets blown out of proportion. A 7'0.5" wingspan is not great but it's not horrible. His explosive leaping ability and how freakishly quick he can jump to me makes up for his average length. I don't think he's a poor rim protector because a lack of length. It's because he showed horrible timing when it came to protecting the rim. Then if you want to talk about his length guarding out on the perimeter, a 7 foot wingspan plus his tremendous lateral quickness is more than plenty.

Your comment regarding his lateral quickness got me thinking. Do you (or anyone else who has an opinion on the matter) think Bagley has the potential to develop into an effective defender of the elite, tall, perimeter oriented type players? More specifically, I'm thinking of guys like Giannis, Lebron, Durant, Paul George, etc.

I don't recall seeing him in many perimeter defense situations, but in the Stepien scouting report they did have this to say

Rare ability to crouch low in his stance for his size guarding on-ball and switch due to being light on his feet. Has the ability to mirror ball-handlers.

https://www.thestepien.com/marvin-bagley/

This is more to say that Bagley is quick enough to stay in the game even if the other team goes small than to say that he'll be locking up Giannis. The concerns about him not being able to play 5 are weird given how playing small is only going to get more common; at the very least he's going to deter other teams from putting their most effective small lineups on the court because if someone like Ersan Ilyasova is the center, Bagley is definitely fast enough to stay with those players and then on offense would be a Shaq-like interior presence.

Some teams already prefer to use players Bagley's size (Al Horford, Pascal Siakam) to guard the big wings every now and then, so it could definitely happen, but it wouldn't be something I'd be counting on right away from him. Bagley wasn't in many perimeter defense situations in college because he was either playing zone defense or alongside slower big guys who the other team had an easier time picking on. Otherwise the age difference is such that wondering about how Bagley will fare against those specific players is like wondering how James Harden will match up against Kobe.

If Bagley is trying to guard LeBron or Durant in a game that matters anytime soon, whoever drafted him hit a home run on the pick because Bagley would be helping make a crappy high-lottery team good enough to be playing against those two in a game that matters. Against most highly-drafted rookies' teams the next couple years, Kevin Durant can sit out the game and the Warriors will still win easily.

[WalterBenjamin]

The biggest problem with him is I think team fit. If early in his career he is burdend with a to heawy self creation role things could go south for him. If he could miraculously go to Utah and take Favours spot I could see him becoming in his peak a 2. string championship player. But most likely he will go to a team with a bad PG and sistem for him. But far to many ways for things to not develop good for him.

[agentofatlas]

I like him a lot. Maybe more than Ayton. Hope the Mavs draft him if they miss out on Doncic.

[daoneandonly]

I like him a lot. Maybe more than Ayton. Hope the Mavs draft him if they miss out on Doncic.

yea he is who I want, guys who are relentless and work horses and have the skillset to boot, those are guys you want on your team, and I think Bags is that. I think he's form a nice trio with DSJ and Barnes

[Sebastian]

I highly doubt he is going to the scouting combine. So I doubt we will get any official numbers.

*sigh* is he another one of those scared of being measured guys?

He said he highly doubt it. Also, he doesn’t have to go to the combine to get measured. He can get measured at his workout.

Bagley is so underrated. SMH. People act as if he wasn’t a freshman and is a complete product. How can people see his feet, hops, quickeness, agility, smooth stroke and motor and not think stud?!?

Once he is a full time pro and develops his right hand and increases his shooting rang (which is still solid) what are you gonna do with him. I get the Amare/ Bosh comparison all day. Nah, who would want that type of player?

Don’t trust those Duke haters.

Bagley has neither the strength nor athleticism of pre injury Amare (who was an absolute monster), so his game is going to be incredibly ineffective if he tries to play like him in the NBA. Additionally, Amare had an all-time great mid-range game for a PF to complement his power/athleticism.

Even for a ceiling, that's reaching a little high on Bagley. It's parallel to people saying Trae is the next Steph. Sure, sometimes guys end up better than projected (Butler, Kawhi, Donovan, etc) but you can't draft on the 1% chance that occurs.

[E-Balla]

*sigh* is he another one of those scared of being measured guys?

He said he highly doubt it. Also, he doesn’t have to go to the combine to get measured. He can get measured at his workout.

Bagley is so underrated. SMH. People act as if he wasn’t a freshman and is a complete product. How can people see his feet, hops, quickeness, agility, smooth stroke and motor and not think stud?!?

Once he is a full time pro and develops his right hand and increases his shooting rang (which is still solid) what are you gonna do with him. I get the Amare/ Bosh comparison all day. Nah, who would want that type of player?

Don’t trust those Duke haters.

Bagley has neither the strength nor athleticism of pre injury Amare (who was an absolute monster), so his game is going to be incredibly ineffective if he tries to play like him in the NBA. Additionally, Amare had an all-time great mid-range game for a PF to complement his power/athleticism.

Even for a ceiling, that's reaching a little high on Bagley. It's parallel to people saying Trae is the next Steph. Sure, sometimes guys end up better than projected (Butler, Kawhi, Donovan, etc) but you can't draft on the 1% chance that occurs.

Amare was weak as hell. Bagley has just as much strength as his top heavy built ass. And as far as athleticism goes Amare was a higher jumper but Bagley is 1000000 times more fluid. Amare was stiff as hell and Bagley moves like someone half a foot shorter than he is.

I still give him a McAdoo ceiling if he improves his jumper to the point where it's automatic.