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UcanUwill wrote:In Europe Luka was considered a PG by everyone, in NBA he is even more of the PG, never sharing minutes with other PGs like Llull, however some wants to overthink this and not call him PG all of sudden. We know why it is, because he is 6'8 and not 6'2. He plays 100% as PG, but is tall enough for his coach to have versatility on defense, so hes not PG all of sudden...
Doncic played next to Llull, Chacho and Campazzo man, like in his first season with heavy minutes, Chacho is still there, then Llull wins EuroLeague MVP, and then when he gets hurt, Doncic takes over and he wins MVP, in a team where Campazzo plays starting PG most times and starting minutes too
Doncic is a point forward, and yeah, he dominated the ball that year, but saying that he was seeing as a PG ain't right, I mean he makes All EuroLeague 1st team as a SF in 2018; Calathes-de Colo-Doncic-Shengelia-Vesely
Before Llull Injury, Doncic was main backup PG, in 2018 he was main PG. And Campazzo emerged when Luka left, its 3 stages of star PGs emerging in Madrid. All-EL teams positions are very lose, we had 4 guards making in, and 2 centers making it, they reach super hard for any opportunity just to make 5 best players get in on the same team. I wouldnt go as far to call Spanoulis a PG, Spanoulis always plays besides other true PG and is a definition of combo guard, but Doncic always was a PG in my book. And even with Spanoulis, I know that more and more teams, especially in Europe play mutiple PG lineups nowadays, so you can call Spanoulis a PG too, its a Harden argument. Dimantidis, Jasikevicius, SPanoulis was basically a 3 PG lineup, would you call Dimantidis a point forward because he guarded forwards and shared minutes with Jasikevcius, no, there was a clear evidence that he is a point guard.
I know you will argue that point forward position is as relevant as ever, but I would say it is actually dead. No you either a Pg or you not. Why do people find so hard to except that perimeter superstars are now PGs? Because of all time ranking, sure LeBron is not considered a PG in all time rankings, and he was ball dominant, but he wasnt THIS clear point guard he is this year. Current LeBron is a point guard for sure, LeBron of old, no, not really, he became this elite fascilitator PG later in his career, so yes, he is a PG now, but probably wont be remembered as one in all time rankings. Just like Paul Pierce was a guard early in his career, but is remembered as forward after all said and done.
Era of guy who cant score but can pass who pounds the ball all the time is dead. Teams figured that having the ball in your superstars hands as much possible is the way to go. That doesnt make every one pg, just few maestros of the game can dirbble and score at will, and then pass, create for others at elite level. Luka is one of those, Harden is one of those And LeBron is one of those. List is closed. People will bend definition of PG to riduculous degree because they grew into not thinking those players were PGs. Well guess what, they werent but now they are.
I dont want heated discussion on this, thats just my opinion. Nice to debate something other than Trump or racism for change, so sorry I come out as a bit too strong.
