Potential sleepers

[doordoor123]

By no means he's a lottery pick, but any team that picks him in the late 2nd will be really happy. But...imagine if Spurs go bold and select him with the 29th...match his insane phisycal profile with Chip Engeland and you have Kawhi 2.0 as Tony Parker heir.

I don't think he's a lottery, but definitely a pick in the 20s.

Any thoughts on his teammates Lucas Dias and Wesley Sena?

In terms of physical tools I like Sena. He's fluid and long. My issue with him is that he just doesn't care. Bad feel for the game, he's fat, in the post he loses focus and he isn't consistent with his jumper. I don't think he's an NBA player.

Dias is a diverse offensive game, but that's about it for me. His feel for the game is also not good, he's not athletic at all, he's super slow, he's stiff, and generally just okay at everything. His shot is generally okay, but it doesn't make up for everything else. His rebounding and passing won't translate well to the NBA. I don't see him as an NBA player either.

[doordoor123]

My final compiled group of sleepers:
Gian Clavel
Jake Wiley
Cyrille Eliezer-Vanerot
Derrick White
Jonah Bolden
Jamel Artis
Anzejs Pasceniks
Kobi Simmons
Tim Kempton
George De Paula
Luca Vildoza (wasn't sure if he was staying in the draft)

[dukes_wild]

My final compiled group of sleepers:
Gian Clavel
Jake Wiley
Cyrille Eliezer-Vanerot
Derrick White
Jonah Bolden
Jamel Artis
Anzejs Pasceniks
Kobi Simmons
Tim Kempton
George De Paula

100% agree on Kobi Simmons

I wouldn't say Bolden is a sleeper, maybe to some casual fans he is, but I have this hunch (many others also believe this) that Jonah Bolden will end up being one of those guys that's mocked in the 40-50 range but will end up being drafted a lot earlier

[dukes_wild]

My sleepers:

Kobi Simmons
Antonius Cleveland
James Blackmon
Tyler Dorsey
Frank Mason
Malcolm Hill

With the way the NBA is headed, some teams with early 2nd round picks are going to regret not picking Tyler Dorsey, one of the best 3pt shooters in this draft class, room to grow offensively in other areas too.

[cedric76]

My final compiled group of sleepers:
Gian Clavel
Jake Wiley
Cyrille Eliezer-Vanerot
Derrick White
Jonah Bolden
Jamel Artis
Anzejs Pasceniks
Kobi Simmons
Tim Kempton
George De Paula

100% agree on Kobi Simmons

I wouldn't say Bolden is a sleeper, maybe to some casual fans he is, but I have this hunch (many others also believe this) that Jonah Bolden will end up being one of those guys that's mocked in the 40-50 range but will end up being drafted a lot earlier

I agree too, I think bolden will be drafted 1st round

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[doordoor123]

My sleepers:

Kobi Simmons
Antonius Cleveland
James Blackmon
Tyler Dorsey
Frank Mason
Malcolm Hill

With the way the NBA is headed, some teams with early 2nd round picks are going to regret not picking Tyler Dorsey, one of the best 3pt shooters in this draft class, room to grow offensively in other areas too.

My issue with Frank Mason is that he's a scorer without elite speed. I just feel like there are a lot of undersized scorers that don't make it in the league, even really good ones. I think one of the reasons Isaiah Thomas is so good is because of his speed. Yogi Ferrell is so good because of his elite P&R ability. When Frank Mason isn't scoring, what can he do? And that's why I struggle with him. If he isn't scoring is he really worth it?

I do like Antonius Cleveland because he's such an athlete, but I also think he gets most of his stats from out-athleteing players from smaller schools. For me there are a couple guys like him I would look at as sleepers, like Damyean Dotson. This class is really athletic at wing.

[reanimator]

My final compiled group of sleepers:
Gian Clavel
Jake Wiley
Cyrille Eliezer-Vanerot
Derrick White
Jonah Bolden
Jamel Artis
Anzejs Pasceniks
Kobi Simmons
Tim Kempton
George De Paula
Luca Vildoza (wasn't sure if he was staying in the draft)

Cyrille Eliezer-Vanerot withdrew

[azcatz11]

My final compiled group of sleepers:
Gian Clavel
Jake Wiley
Cyrille Eliezer-Vanerot
Derrick White
Jonah Bolden
Jamel Artis
Anzejs Pasceniks
Kobi Simmons
Tim Kempton
George De Paula

100% agree on Kobi Simmons

I wouldn't say Bolden is a sleeper, maybe to some casual fans he is, but I have this hunch (many others also believe this) that Jonah Bolden will end up being one of those guys that's mocked in the 40-50 range but will end up being drafted a lot earlier

Simmons is interesting - he got somewhat of an unfair deal at U of A. He is a streak scorer with crazy athleticism. I could totally see him being a much better NBA player than college guy. If he tries on defense he could make a team.

[doordoor123]

My final compiled group of sleepers:
Gian Clavel
Jake Wiley
Cyrille Eliezer-Vanerot
Derrick White
Jonah Bolden
Jamel Artis
Anzejs Pasceniks
Kobi Simmons
Tim Kempton
George De Paula
Luca Vildoza (wasn't sure if he was staying in the draft)

Cyrille Eliezer-Vanerot withdrew

Aw I didn't realize. Could be a higher pick next year.

[doordoor123]

My final compiled group of sleepers:
Gian Clavel
Jake Wiley
Cyrille Eliezer-Vanerot
Derrick White
Jonah Bolden
Jamel Artis
Anzejs Pasceniks
Kobi Simmons
Tim Kempton
George De Paula

100% agree on Kobi Simmons

I wouldn't say Bolden is a sleeper, maybe to some casual fans he is, but I have this hunch (many others also believe this) that Jonah Bolden will end up being one of those guys that's mocked in the 40-50 range but will end up being drafted a lot earlier

Simmons is interesting - he got somewhat of an unfair deal at U of A. He is a streak scorer with crazy athleticism. I could totally see him being a much better NBA player than college guy. If he tries on defense he could make a team.

I really like what I saw from him as a defender at the combine. I didn't see him trying that hard on defense in college, likely because he was looking to score. With limited minutes I think he can he can be a pretty solid defender.

[pad300]

Vezenkov. That FG% and TS% in ACB and Euroleague suggests at something a bit special...

[Mirotic12]

Vezenkov. That FG% and TS% in ACB and Euroleague suggests at something a bit special...

Nothing special. But definitely a sleeper. He's a great shooter, but those percentages are misleading without proper context. Everything to his entire game is just shooting jumpers off creations by his team.

Still, he's a great shooter with very deep range. Something like a Steve Novak type, but you can't take those percentages as anything special, since all he does is specialize in shooting in a stretch four capacity. If he had to do more than that, no way would he have those types of percentages.

But yes, he is definitely a very good sleeper pick.

[doordoor123]

Vezenkov. That FG% and TS% in ACB and Euroleague suggests at something a bit special...

Nothing special. But definitely a sleeper. He's a great shooter, but those percentages are misleading without proper context. Everything to his entire game is just shooting jumpers off creations by his team.

Still, he's a great shooter with very deep range. Something like a Steve Novak type, but you can't take those percentages as anything special, since all he does is specialize in shooting in a stretch four capacity. If he had to do more than that, no way would he have those types of percentages.

But yes, he is definitely a very good sleeper pick.

i think they're different players. Vezenkov has a super quick release and can make shots with a defender in his face.

[Mirotic12]

i think they're different players. Vezenkov has a super quick release and can make shots with a defender in his face.

I wasn't comparing him to Steve Novak, I was comparing the way he is generally used, the role he has in his team, which is basically stand at the 3 point line and wait for someone to collapse the defense, pass it to you, then you can shoot.

No, he's not the same player as Novak. My point was he is used that way on offense, which is why his percentages are so high, combined with that he is a very good shooter and has very good range.

Vezenkov is a more all around and skilled scorer than Novak...a better all around player. Novak is bigger, more athletic, and probably deeper shooting range. I'm just saying, in context of those shooting percentages.

Fotsis has shot something like 42% from 3 point range over like 10 years in EuroLeague, with being in the all time leaders for most 3s made also...but you don't ever see anyone mention him in best shooters in Europe conversations. Because it's all just shooting from what a teammate creates and what the defense gives. You have to put context to those percentages, when a guy's role is just stand at the 3 point line and wait.

[Curmudgeon]

Vezenkov actually has a nice all-around offensive game. He can put it on the floor as well as shoot. The question marks are at the defensive end.

[EvanZ]

Iwundu is a huge sleeper.

[Mirotic12]

Vezenkov actually has a nice all-around offensive game. He can put it on the floor as well as shoot. The question marks are at the defensive end.

He has some all around offensive game and he is a skilled scorer, but 90% of his game is stand at the 3 point line. He's a very similar style player on offense to Mirotic, only he's for sure a better shooter than Mirotic is.

His defense isn't nearly as bad as NBA draft sites claim. NBA has far worse defenders than him playing in team rotations. If his defense was even half as bad as the draft sites claim, he couldn't play in a EuroLeague team like Barca. The main issue with Vezenkov is basically what his game is - a pure stretch four. Unless the team and system needs him and fits to him, he's not going to be a good fit. He has to be in a team that needs a pure stretch four, and also that has players that can create those open shots for him.

[doordoor123]

I don't think he's going to get drafted, but Jeremy Senglin has a chance to make it in the NBA. He's a really good three point shooter that creates a ton of space. He's undersized at 6'0, has a 6'5 wingspan and an 8'0 standing reach. Apparently he has been defending really well in workouts. If he can defend, create space off the dribble and shoot threes, I don't see why he can't make it. Will be someone to watch in summer league.

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[doordoor123]

A lot of people have said they like Sterling Brown. I actually don't like him. I don't think his moves will be effective enough at the next level. He doesn't create enough space. I think once in a while you'll see a flashy post move and I think once in a while he can shoot over a mismatch, but he's a slow undersized 3 IMO. I like his length, but I also think his lack of athleticism hurts the effectiveness of it.

[rhrahkulk]

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