Alperen Şengün

[Mirotic12]

Josh Christopher measured 6'4.5 in shoes at the combine. Whiteside measured 6'11.5 in shoes. I think it's reasonable to say he looks around 1.5 inches shorter than Whiteside, and around 5 inches taller than Christopher. Sengun is no less than 6'9.5 in shoes and probably 6'10. His wingspan is 7'0.5, so considering Sengun's popular comparison - Kevin Love - measures 6'9 in shoes with a 6'11.25 wingspan, having over an inch in wingspan and an inch in height on him gives him plenty of size for the PF position and probably allows him to play center in spurts considering his defensive instincts are clearly superior at the same age to Love's. Sengun is also a naturally better playmaker imo, as Love was always overrated in that area outside of his outlet passes.

If Sengun develops his shot the way he's projected to, he'll have no issues making a huge impact. If he doesn't, then yeah he'll probably struggle defensively as an undersized center and his overall value will be considerably less.

Sengun was measured at 210 in shoes, which is between 6-10 1/2 and 6-10 3/4. It's actually right around 6-10 6/9. The NBA would round that height up tp 6-11 in shoes. So he's not 6-9 to 6-10 in shoes. He's 6-11 in shoes. No reason for speculation, since he was measured in the USA by NBA teams. And that's two inches taller than Love, not one inch taller than Love.

If so many NBA fans were not artificially downgrading Sengun's height for no reason, he wouldn't have even been compared to Love, since he is 2 inches taller and plays a different position. But so many NBA fans are convinced all the players in Europe are 2-3 inches shorter than they really are.

Love wouldn't have been used as a comp for Sengun, with his height being 6-11 in shoes and that he plays 80% of the time at the center position.

[yoyoboy]

Josh Christopher measured 6'4.5 in shoes at the combine. Whiteside measured 6'11.5 in shoes. I think it's reasonable to say he looks around 1.5 inches shorter than Whiteside, and around 5 inches taller than Christopher. Sengun is no less than 6'9.5 in shoes and probably 6'10. His wingspan is 7'0.5, so considering Sengun's popular comparison - Kevin Love - measures 6'9 in shoes with a 6'11.25 wingspan, having over an inch in wingspan and an inch in height on him gives him plenty of size for the PF position and probably allows him to play center in spurts considering his defensive instincts are clearly superior at the same age to Love's. Sengun is also a naturally better playmaker imo, as Love was always overrated in that area outside of his outlet passes.

If Sengun develops his shot the way he's projected to, he'll have no issues making a huge impact. If he doesn't, then yeah he'll probably struggle defensively as an undersized center and his overall value will be considerably less.

Sengun was measured at 210 in shoes, which is between 6-10 1/2 and 6-10 3/4. It's actually right around 6-10 6/9. The NBA would round that height up tp 6-11 in shoes. So he's not 6-9 to 6-10 in shoes. He's 6-11 in shoes. No reason for speculation, since he was measured in the USA by NBA teams. And that's two inches taller than Love, not one inch taller than Love.

If so many NBA fans were not artificially downgrading Sengun's height for no reason, he wouldn't have even been compared to Love, since he is 2 inches taller and plays a different position. But so many NBA fans are convinced all the players in Europe are 2-3 inches shorter than they really are.

Love wouldn't have been used as a comp for Sengun, with his height being 6-11 in shoes and that he plays 80% of the time at the center position.

I don’t know where you’re getting the NBA teams-measured 210 cm mark from, but Whiteside officially measured 6’10.5 without shoes and 6’11.5 with shoes at the combine. I trust the combine “without shoes measurements” more than anything else because they’re historically pretty accurate and they can’t be artificially boosted with thicker soles. And looking at that photo, I don’t see how you can argue that Sengun is just .8 inches shorter. Look at their eye level, their shoulder level, their chin level...

Giving Sengun the same standard 1 inch soled shoes, I’m giving him 6’10 in shoes not ~6’10.75. And you really need to drop the whole victim complex where you see everything as some attack on your guy. I had Sengun 3rd on my board. Him being 6’10 doesn’t matter to me because I envision him as a PF in the league. And that’s great he played center 80% of the time overseas, but I promise you that won’t be the case in the NBA for him to be most effective.

[Mirotic12]

I don’t know where you’re getting the NBA teams-measured 210 cm mark from, but Whiteside officially measured 6’10.5 without shoes and 6’11.5 with shoes at the combine. I trust the combine “without shoes measurements” more than anything else because they’re historically pretty accurate and they can’t be artificially boosted with thicker soles. And looking at that photo, I don’t see how you can argue that Sengun is just .8 inches shorter. Look at their eye level, their shoulder level, their chin level...

Giving Sengun the same standard 1 inch soled shoes, I’m giving him 6’10 in shoes not ~6’10.75. And you really need to drop the whole victim complex where you see everything as some attack on your guy. I had Sengun 3rd on my board. Him being 6’10 doesn’t matter to me because I envision him as a PF in the league. And that’s great he played center 80% of the time overseas, but I promise you that won’t be the case in the NBA for him to be most effective.

European media reported it. Sengun measured at 210 cm with shoes on by the NBA, which is over 6-10 1/2. And supposedly Whiteside was measured at 7-0 barefoot a couple of years ago.

Anyway, so NBA measurements for Whiteside can be used, but not for Sengun? It's nice to know you trust NBA measurements, unless it is Sengun evidently. As you are trusting NBA measurements with Whiteside, but not Sengun, I am going to trust them with both players, otherwise it's an unfair double standard being used for European players.

[yoyoboy]

I don’t know where you’re getting the NBA teams-measured 210 cm mark from, but Whiteside officially measured 6’10.5 without shoes and 6’11.5 with shoes at the combine. I trust the combine “without shoes measurements” more than anything else because they’re historically pretty accurate and they can’t be artificially boosted with thicker soles. And looking at that photo, I don’t see how you can argue that Sengun is just .8 inches shorter. Look at their eye level, their shoulder level, their chin level...

Giving Sengun the same standard 1 inch soled shoes, I’m giving him 6’10 in shoes not ~6’10.75. And you really need to drop the whole victim complex where you see everything as some attack on your guy. I had Sengun 3rd on my board. Him being 6’10 doesn’t matter to me because I envision him as a PF in the league. And that’s great he played center 80% of the time overseas, but I promise you that won’t be the case in the NBA for him to be most effective.

European media reported it. Sengun measured at 210 cm with shoes on by the NBA, which is over 6-10 1/2. And supposedly Whiteside was measured at 7-0 barefoot a couple of years ago.

Anyway, so NBA measurements for Whiteside can be used, but not for Sengun? It's nice to know you trust NBA measurements, unless it is Sengun evidently. As you are trusting NBA measurements with Whiteside, but not Sengun, I am going to trust them with both players, otherwise it's an unfair double standard being used for European players.

Sengun didn’t go to the combine? If he measured near 6’10.75 at the combine, then I would use that measurement. But he didn’t go. So all we have is media-reported “allegedly” “supposedly measured” stories, which mean nothing to me. Why are you trusting some random source that says Whiteside measured 7 feet barefoot a couple years ago when we have direct evidence from the combine that he’s a whole 1.5 inches shorter than that? He was 21 years old at the combine. He didn’t grow after that. People act like just because Giannis gained a couple inches it’s some standard thing, yet Giannis was 18.5 years old when he was drafted.

I’m not bothering with this discussion with you anymore because like I said, I find it boring going back and forth about a difference of 0.75 inches. I still have Sengun 3rd on my board despite believing he’s “only” 6’10, which is plenty of size for the PF position. You can believe whatever you want.

[Charm]

So all we have is media-reported “allegedly” “supposedly measured” stories, which mean nothing to me. Why are you trusting some random source that says Whiteside measured 7 feet barefoot a couple years ago when we have direct evidence from the combine that he’s a whole 1.5 inches shorter than that?

7' is Whiteside's NBA-official listed height, which should be his height in socks per the new NBA protocol. It's not "some random source." If there's evidence that he faked or dodged this measurement, then let's see it...

[yoyoboy]

So all we have is media-reported “allegedly” “supposedly measured” stories, which mean nothing to me. Why are you trusting some random source that says Whiteside measured 7 feet barefoot a couple years ago when we have direct evidence from the combine that he’s a whole 1.5 inches shorter than that?

7' is Whiteside's NBA-official listed height, which should be his height in socks per the new NBA protocol. It's not "some random source." If there's evidence that he faked or dodged this measurement, then let's see it...

It’s not NBA-measured as in some sanctioned objective standardized single party measured everyone. The NBA just asked all 30 teams for measurements, and then each team supposedly measured everyone barefoot and then rounded to the nearest inch.

The Lakers reported that LeBron measured 6’9 barefoot. Meaning he’s over 6’10 in shoes. Do you believe that too? Because I’m someone who’s followed LeBron his entire pro career and I can tell you that measurement is absolute bs. When teams are the ones measuring, they’re of course going to inflate their own guys’ measurements. But when you’re officials at the actual combine, being observed by tons of players and media, and you’re not connected to any player, and you measure both in-shoes and out-of shoes, and you round to the nearest quarter-inch, you get accurate measurements.

For you to believe that Whiteside is actually 7 feet tall barefoot, you have to be saying that he grew 1.5 inches after 21 years old. Is that what you’re saying? I think there’s this huge misconception among NBA fans now about growth spurts beyond 18 just because Giannis squeezed out a couple inches from around 18.5 to 19.5. And now you have people thinking it’s common for 21 or 22 year old prospects to “not be done growing yet.” It’s absurd.

We’ll see how tall Sengun looks against Mobley in the Summer League if he plays. I’m expecting him to be just 1 inch shorter now since you guys are so adamant that he’s 6’11 in shoes. And he should have no problem playing full-time center in the league. It’s ridiculous that I have to be in a position where I’m the one criticizing Sengun seeing that I’m one of his biggest fans on the board, but man his fanboys are rabid.

[DaddyCool19]

How tall are Mobley and Jones?

Mobley is 7’ and he’s clearly at least a couple inches taller than Sengun from these photos.

How many inches would you guess? And is the guy next to Giddey Isaiah Jackson who is listed at 6'10? Tbh I would guess Sengun is 6'10-6'10,5 in shoes and if he is around 6'9-6'9,5 without shoes, Mobley can't be a legit 7'0 without shoes. He doesn't look 3 inches taller than him

[Charm]

So all we have is media-reported “allegedly” “supposedly measured” stories, which mean nothing to me. Why are you trusting some random source that says Whiteside measured 7 feet barefoot a couple years ago when we have direct evidence from the combine that he’s a whole 1.5 inches shorter than that?

7' is Whiteside's NBA-official listed height, which should be his height in socks per the new NBA protocol. It's not "some random source." If there's evidence that he faked or dodged this measurement, then let's see it...

It’s not NBA-measured as in some sanctioned objective standardized single party measured everyone. The NBA just asked all 30 teams for measurements, and then each team supposedly measured everyone barefoot and then rounded to the nearest inch.

The Lakers reported that LeBron measured 6’9 barefoot. Meaning he’s over 6’10 in shoes. Do you believe that too? Because I’m someone who’s followed LeBron his entire pro career and I can tell you that measurement is absolute bs. When teams are the ones measuring, they’re of course going to inflate their own guys’ measurements. But when you’re officials at the actual combine, being observed by tons of players and media, and you’re not connected to any player, and you measure both in-shoes and out-of shoes, and you round to the nearest quarter-inch, you get accurate measurements.

For you to believe that Whiteside is actually 7 feet tall barefoot, you have to be saying that he grew 1.5 inches after 21 years old. Is that what you’re saying? I think there’s this huge misconception among NBA fans now about growth spurts beyond 18 just because Giannis squeezed out a couple inches from around 18.5 to 19.5. And now you have people thinking it’s common for 21 or 22 year old prospects to “not be done growing yet.” It’s absurd.

We’ll see how tall Sengun looks against Mobley in the Summer League if he plays. I’m expecting him to be just 1 inch shorter now since you guys are so adamant that he’s 6’11 in shoes. And he should have no problem playing full-time center in the league. It’s ridiculous that I have to be in a position where I’m the one criticizing Sengun seeing that I’m one of his biggest fans on the board, but man his fanboys are rabid.

Speaking of guys who're still growing after age 20, Mobley's apparently still growing. Can't be bothered to find it now, but there was a picture recently where he's clearly 1-2" taller than Steven Adams, who's 6'11" in socks. My best guess is Sengun's 6'9.5" or 6'10" in socks, Whiteside's 6'11" or 6'11.5" in socks, and Mobley is 7' or 7'1" in socks. I don't think any of those figures are crazy or inflated.

[Marcus]

does this convo conclude after his first jumpball or is this something deemed worth continuing throughout the season?

[EMG518]

does this convo conclude after his first jumpball or is this something deemed worth continuing throughout the season?

I think he is under 6'10"

[K_chile22]

does this convo conclude after his first jumpball or is this something deemed worth continuing throughout the season?

Lol this thread has become incredibly boring

[yoyoboy]

does this convo conclude after his first jumpball or is this something deemed worth continuing throughout the season?

I will personally travel to the Summer League with measuring tape and get this done myself.

[Marcus]

does this convo conclude after his first jumpball or is this something deemed worth continuing throughout the season?

I will personally travel to the Summer League with measuring tape and get this done myself.

present photo evidence to close this case entirely.

[peZt]

does this convo conclude after his first jumpball or is this something deemed worth continuing throughout the season?

Lol this thread has become incredibly boring

It was by page 15. I didn'T think the same discussion would continue for 30 more pages...

[EvanZ]

All I want to say is...damn how small is Davion Mitchell lol

[yoyoboy]

All I want to say is...damn how small is Davion Mitchell lol

Too small to guard Adam Silver to be honest.

[ThatBoyNick]

I think Sengun comp is a young Love without the range, similar size, passing, rebounding, finishing at the rim etc

[Mirotic12]

This is the only thing I can find in US sports media, but it seems to confirm the European report.

https://theathletic.com/2740659/2021/07/29/alperen-sengun-scouting-report-get-to-know-the-rockets-newest-big-man/

Alperen Sengun scouting report: Get to know the Rockets’ newest big man

Strengths

He plays extremely hard and has a high motor with a nose for the ball. Terrific offensive rebounder. Grabbed over three rebounds per game. Also, great feel for how to grab a rebound on the defensive glass. Then, once he does grab the board, he immediately attacks on the break. That’s one of his most immediate, translatable skills. Very good in the open court. An underrated athlete in terms of mobility and vertical pop since getting into better shape. Has some body control and fluidity for a big man with elite hands. Catches everything in his area and can adjust mid-air to do different things. Can Euro step around guys on the ground before finishing. He’s not necessarily going to beat wings off the bounce, but if he’s at the five, he can definitely attack and beat a center. A bit taller than what he was listed at previously. Between 6-foot-10 and 6-foot-11 in shoes.

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The European report that he measured at 210 cm, is indeed "between 6-10 and 6-11 in shoes", as it's around 6'10 6/9", which the NBA would consider to be 6-11 in shoes.

[Nuntius]

And you really need to drop the whole victim complex where you see everything as some attack on your guy.

Sengun isn't Mirotic's guy. His main point is how American media commonly doubts the size of European players and prospects.

And that’s great he played center 80% of the time overseas, but I promise you that won’t be the case in the NBA for him to be most effective.

Nah, he'll be a Center. It's similar to Sabonis, imo.

[EvanZ]

Nah, he'll be a Center. It's similar to Sabonis, imo.

Sabonis isn't a center.

How many times we have to go over this? If Sabonis is a center Turner would have been gone a long time ago.