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Post#921 » by Chi town » Sat Dec 4, 2021 6:41 pm

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Roger Murdock wrote:Any intriguing wings who can shoot that would fit with Cleveland? I'm assuming we pick somewhere between 11 and 22. We also have the Rockets and Spurs seconds for early R2.

Any names I should watch out for? We are pretty set at guard and big but badly need wing depth. We will also probably take a few stabs at upside guys if there's anyone intriguing.

Cavs are focusing a lot on culture too so guys with offcourt red flags I think we can say are no-go's.


Mathurin would be a great fit with you guys


Mathurin is who I want for my Bulls with the POR pick.

He’d be a great fit with Cavs to compliment Garland and space the floor with Mobley.
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Post#922 » by Duke4life831 » Sat Dec 4, 2021 7:39 pm

9/8/1 with 3 TOs on 2/13 shooting.

That was Bates and Duren’s combined numbers today. Talk about a combination of multiple things going wrong for this Memphis team.

Bates: Can’t create any kind of space against wings with actual size. It’s eye opening bad
Duren: no natural feel for the game on either side. No skill set at all to fall back on, if it’s not a fast break or a putback (he can’t get into good positioning to rebound though), he’s not scoring then.
Penny: Some horribly basic offensive sets. No natural ball movement or off ball movement with its offense. Then defensively, some really laughable bad mental errors with this team.
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Post#923 » by clyde21 » Sat Dec 4, 2021 7:55 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:People need to explain to me why they see Duren as a top 10 player in this draft. I’m not even going to get into the whole value of that kind of player discussion again.

But I’m just talking straight up him as a player. I’ve watched all his games (currently watching the Ole Miss game) against power conference teams, for the majority of the games I forget he’s even on the court. He’s been a complete no show against actual competition.

He’s averaging 6 points and 6 rebounds in these games. He’s got 2 points and 3 boards with 16 minutes to go in this game.

And it’s not like we’re talking about elite competition either, just talking average power conference teams. I don’t think they’ve even played one ranked team yet.


7 blocks to 16 PFs the last 4 games against decent comp, and shot blocking was supposed to be his biggest +

really this team is a mess, Penny is a mess, it's absolutely mind bending how he's been able to get so much talent to this team. even a guy like Nolley who actually looked like he had potential at Virginia Tech has looked worse in Memphis and probably not even draftable at this point.

not sure what's happening or why players continue to do this to themselves but Duren/Bates need to get out stat
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Post#924 » by CptCrunch » Sat Dec 4, 2021 7:59 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:9/8/1 with 3 TOs on 2/13 shooting.

That was Bates and Duren’s combined numbers today. Talk about a combination of multiple things going wrong for this Memphis team.

Bates: Can’t create any kind of space against wings with actual size. It’s eye opening bad
Duren: no natural feel for the game on either side. No skill set at all to fall back on, if it’s not a fast break or a putback (he can’t get into good positioning to rebound though), he’s not scoring then.
Penny: Some horribly basic offensive sets. No natural ball movement or off ball movement with its offense. Then defensively, some really laughable bad mental errors with this team.


Duren's last 3 games look brutal on paper. Dunno how a man-child playing in college only jacks up 3 shots against functional midgets (in comparison to him). We already know Bates has the agility and speed of an average high school wrestler so no surprise he can't crate jack.
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Post#925 » by Duke4life831 » Sat Dec 4, 2021 8:08 pm

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Duke4life831 wrote:People need to explain to me why they see Duren as a top 10 player in this draft. I’m not even going to get into the whole value of that kind of player discussion again.

But I’m just talking straight up him as a player. I’ve watched all his games (currently watching the Ole Miss game) against power conference teams, for the majority of the games I forget he’s even on the court. He’s been a complete no show against actual competition.

He’s averaging 6 points and 6 rebounds in these games. He’s got 2 points and 3 boards with 16 minutes to go in this game.

And it’s not like we’re talking about elite competition either, just talking average power conference teams. I don’t think they’ve even played one ranked team yet.


7 blocks to 16 PFs the last 4 games against decent comp, and shot blocking was supposed to be his biggest +

really this team is a mess, Penny is a mess, it's absolutely mind bending how he's been able to get so much talent to this team. even a guy like Nolley who actually looked like he had potential at Virginia Tech has looked worse in Memphis and probably not even draftable at this point.

not sure what's happening or why players continue to do this to themselves but Duren/Bates need to get out stat


It does seem like high school players have begun to catch on. It seems like the recruiting is really taking a hit next year. I assume with the horrible showing of Bates and Duren so far, it will only get worse. I wont be shocked if Penny misses on Traore and arent lined up for any big named recruits the next class, he will be out after next season. Because next year is going to look really really ugly for them.
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Post#926 » by Duke4life831 » Sat Dec 4, 2021 8:17 pm

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Duke4life831 wrote:9/8/1 with 3 TOs on 2/13 shooting.

That was Bates and Duren’s combined numbers today. Talk about a combination of multiple things going wrong for this Memphis team.

Bates: Can’t create any kind of space against wings with actual size. It’s eye opening bad
Duren: no natural feel for the game on either side. No skill set at all to fall back on, if it’s not a fast break or a putback (he can’t get into good positioning to rebound though), he’s not scoring then.
Penny: Some horribly basic offensive sets. No natural ball movement or off ball movement with its offense. Then defensively, some really laughable bad mental errors with this team.


Duren's last 3 games look brutal on paper. Dunno how a man-child playing in college only jacks up 3 shots against functional midgets (in comparison to him). We already know Bates has the agility and speed of an average high school wrestler so no surprise he can't crate jack.


Because he's finally playing against teams that have some actual size. These teams have guys that are 6'8 and above. Today he went against Brooks who is 7 foot (I think that's a generous listing) and 240 pounds. Duren was invisible today.

Again you take away the rim running aspect and you take away put backs. You have basically taken away Duren's offensive repertoire. And they arent going to get easy rim running chances against actual power conference teams and Duren is showing he's not a good rebounder as well. His positioning is horrible in that aspect. So now that he doesnt just get offensive boards because he's just so much bigger than everyone else, he isn't getting rebounds.

In all honesty, he's looking more and more like Cliff Alexander 2.0 than a 1st round pick. There is nothing to his game either than being big and athletic and he doesnt look that big when he's against power conference teams.
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Post#927 » by clyde21 » Sat Dec 4, 2021 10:03 pm

i wish PB&J was a bit more quick twitch

went 6-6 from 3 tonight
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Post#928 » by CptCrunch » Sat Dec 4, 2021 10:51 pm

I am a huge fan of JD Davison this year.

His stats haven't been amazing so he might fall to become a sleeper. His poise is special. His physical profile is amazing. He reminds me of a young Russell Westbrook with the same broken shot.

Very difficult December coming up for Bama, Gaza #3, Houston #15, Memphis #18, Tennessee #13, Florida 14 before end of the year.

Somewhat interestingly, JD might be the best PG prospect in this year's draft since Ty Ty really isn't a point guard in any way. Kennedy Chandler is marginally better, but is 5'10-11" w/o shoes.
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Post#929 » by clyde21 » Sun Dec 5, 2021 2:41 am

Gonzaga just really struggles against athleticism, they'd get destroyed if they played in the SEC instead of the WCC, saw this against Baylor in the finals too
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Post#930 » by azcatz11 » Sun Dec 5, 2021 2:53 am

clyde21 wrote:Gonzaga just really struggles against athleticism, they'd get destroyed if they played in the SEC instead of the WCC, saw this against Baylor in the finals too


Just turned. Cool tournament. Battle in Seattle. I still feel like UCLA is the most overrated team this season.
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Post#931 » by clyde21 » Sun Dec 5, 2021 3:03 am

and that's most likely game, Zaga just outclassed athletically really
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Post#932 » by MotownMadness » Sun Dec 5, 2021 3:04 am

Why is Chet sitting late in the game?
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Post#933 » by clyde21 » Sun Dec 5, 2021 3:06 am

Zaga really missing Suggs/Ayayi, they need to play Sallis more, Nembhard just sucks
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Post#934 » by CptCrunch » Sun Dec 5, 2021 3:11 am

Here is my first take for players I like more, equal or less than others/consensus/internet media mocks.

Bolded = extra more or extra less. not named = no opinion. Not listed in any order within category.

Just because I don't like a high consensus lotto pick doesn't mean I don't think he should go lotto.

Less:
Chet Holmgren
Kennedy Chandler
Jalen Duren
Keegan Murray
Ty Ty Washington
Paolo Banchero
Caleb Houston
Patrick Baldwin
Jaden Hardy


Equal:

Jabari Smith
Jaden Ivey
Kendell Brown
Dyson Daniels
AJ Griffin
Bennedict Mathurin

More:
Wendell Moore
Nikola Jovic
Trevor Keels
JD Davison
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Post#935 » by clyde21 » Sun Dec 5, 2021 3:18 am

MotownMadness wrote:Why is Chet sitting late in the game?


looked on twitter didn't see anything injury related, and wasn't in foul trouble, Few just decided not to play him I guess? not a good look for Chet unless it's injury related.
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Post#936 » by Duke4life831 » Sun Dec 5, 2021 3:56 am

CptCrunch wrote:Here is my first take for players I like more, equal or less than others/consensus/internet media mocks.

Bolded = extra more or extra less. not named = no opinion. Not listed in any order within category.

Just because I don't like a high consensus lotto pick doesn't mean I don't think he should go lotto.

Less:
Chet Holmgren
Kennedy Chandler
Jalen Duren
Keegan Murray
Ty Ty Washington
Paolo Banchero
Caleb Houston
Patrick Baldwin
Jaden Hardy


Equal:

Jabari Smith
Jaden Ivey
Kendell Brown
Dyson Daniels
AJ Griffin
Bennedict Mathurin

More:
Wendell Moore
Nikola Jovic
Trevor Keels
JD Davison


I’m curious on the Duke guys.

Equal on AJ
More on Keels

AJ hasn’t been good enough to get minutes over Joey Baker. And Keels outside of the UK game has been horrific. Outside of the UK game he’s averaging 10ppg on 31/31/66 shooting splits. He’s also shooting those numbers by being a ball stopper on offense.

Just curious on what has brought you to those views on those guys.
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Post#937 » by CptCrunch » Sun Dec 5, 2021 4:12 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
CptCrunch wrote:Here is my first take for players I like more, equal or less than others/consensus/internet media mocks.

Bolded = extra more or extra less. not named = no opinion. Not listed in any order within category.


I’m curious on the Duke guys.

Equal on AJ
More on Keels

AJ hasn’t been good enough to get minutes over Joey Baker. And Keels outside of the UK game has been horrific. Outside of the UK game he’s averaging 10ppg on 31/31/66 shooting splits. He’s also shooting those numbers by being a ball stopper on offense.

Just curious on what has brought you to those views on those guys.


For Keel despite his inefficiency in scoring, he still maintains fairly positive advanced stats. He is shooting poorly but not on that high of a volume. A few hot games, he'll be back to 40% percent. It is often a struggle city for young guards in both college and the league. He has very elite signals in his assist to turnover (3.3 to 1.3) as a secondary ball handler, with 2.1 steals per game. With his football player build, he can easily be molded into large defensive point guard. This raises his floor significantly. I guess I might be wrong, he is actually a lotto pick (even top 10 like ESPN) on some mocks. I made the list imagining him being a late first rounder.

For AJ, just imagine that he isn't playing in college. RSCI is statistically the best predictor of NBA success, yes even more so than college production. He is being mocked as a late first rounder. That is a good position for him. Just imagine as if AJ is pulling a college fail like BJ Boston (who shouldn't have dropped to like 51st pick), but AJ has an added excuse of being injured. Great production in college = great. No production with good physicals/tools = still draftable. Plus I also believe in the pedigree effect. AJ's daddy is an current NBA coach, did you know that?

All of the Duke kids should be drafted this year, probably 4 in the first round, even a chance for 5.

Paolo, Keels, Moore, Williams, Griffin
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Post#938 » by clyde21 » Sun Dec 5, 2021 4:17 am

RSCI college fails have an absolutely dreadful track record in the NBA

who was the last one to actually workout? especially a 1AD RSCI guy
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Post#939 » by CptCrunch » Sun Dec 5, 2021 4:23 am

clyde21 wrote:RSCI college fails have an absolutely dreadful track record in the NBA

who was the last one to actually workout? especially a 1AD RSCI guy


That's why we look at the mean in statistical inference, not if #1 translate to #1 in the league :lol:
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Post#940 » by clyde21 » Sun Dec 5, 2021 4:29 am

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clyde21 wrote:RSCI college fails have an absolutely dreadful track record in the NBA

who was the last one to actually workout? especially a 1AD RSCI guy


That's why we look at the mean in statistical inference, not if #1 translate to #1 in the league :lol:


give me an example of a top10 RSCI that failed in college that went on to be a successful NBA player

Trevon Duval? nope

Kahlil Whitney? nope

Skal Labissiere? nope

Ivan Rabb? nope

Nas Little? nope

best one I can think of is Cam Reddish and he's not exactly setting the league on fire
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