2022 NBA Draft Part II

[tmorgan]

I think Daniels is an absolutely fantastic long-term fit next to Cade. I almost wish we were picking 7th just so we’d take him. Doubt he goes fifth. Detroit is taking Ivey if available, Murray if not, seems pretty set. Unless Weaver is hoodwinking the media, which is certainly possible.

[8305]

i think part of it is that there is just a pretty big void of talent after the top3, and Daniels is a big PG type in an extremely weak PG class, really just making him a hot commodity regardless of his shooting. i think people are aware of the shooting issues and it's already priced in.

That's reasonable.

I'm still not firmly planted in either side of how much Dyson is an actual PG, though. He played a somewhat heliocentric role at U19s, and I know he got a good amount of the ball for Ignite, but he's less of a PG than Giddey is, by comparison. Whether that's a fair person to compare him to, and whether the distinction between 'PG' and wing initiator is really that important are also fair questions, but I just don't trust him in a high usage on the ball in the same way I did with Giddey as a prospect. Similar mold as big playmakers in some respects but very different players at the same time.

I like Dyson Daniels for my Pacers at 6. See him as an excellent wing defender who should have the handle to create his shot and he makes good decisions. He could start for us on day one with that skill set with no pressure to do anything other than fit in on offense and defend. That’s ideal setup for player development. If he develops a three point shot he could be a big time player.

[zimpy27]

I really think Lofton is going to be decent in the NBA. In an NBA system he could become a Jokic type story once he gets that level of professional help for his conditioning. He just seems like he understands the game intuitively and plays well despite his weight.

[clyde21]

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

they moved Chet back up to 3 now

[buzzkilloton]

My pre draft big board:

tier1 all nba potential
1.Smith
2.Chet
3.Paolo

tier2-potential all star
4.Ivey

tier3-high end role player with slight all star potential
5.Daniels
6.Mathurin

tier 4 young homerun swings
7.Sharpe
8.Duren

tier 5 solid starters
9.Murray
10.Sochan
11.Williams
12.Griffin
13.Davis

[Catchall]

The Dyson Daniels love affair is interesting to me. His stock rose pretty exponentially after he stopped playing.

I love him. I was tooting his horn before he got to Ignite (I made that video on him from his time in Aus if anyone remembers that). With that said, the top 5, even top 3 hype I'm seeing around him from some corners feels somewhat overblown to me.

My worries are that he doesn't get to the line at all, he will never be a pullup/otd shooter + the fact he shot 25.5% from 3 as a perimeter player seems to get blown over quite a lot, and while he's a great athlete in some respects, he has somewhat of a rigid movement pattern that makes him a little awkward and upright, limits his speed on the ball and limits his fluidity as a driver.

I think you could argue away a lot of those issues in time, so this would be my counter (to play both sides of the coin here) - most of his limitations are correctable. The shooting form has improved a lot each year (plus he has good touch), there are some context considerations with the Ignite situation that put his %s into perspective, he's growing into his bigger body and is otherwise not adverse to being physical so hopefully the FTr improves, his handle isn't great but it is developable, and he has both the smarts/feel on the court, great self awareness and work ethic to continue to build on his game.

For me, top 5 I have kinda somewhat talked myself into being plausible - but I think that's purely at 5, and says more about guys like Sharpe and Keegan. I think Sharpe's too risky that high, not that high on AJ, and Keegan's appeal will be very team dependent imo, so I get that outcome, but cracking the top 4 is kinda crazy imo.. that top 4 is set in my mind.

I see Daniels as being very versatile, with a nice combination of size/length and BBIQ. I think his 3pt shooting will be there, as he has very good touch on his floaters. I think part of the issue is physical maturity as an 18 year-old. Ultimately, I think he's a complementary star, in the mold of a Gordon Hayward. He'll be able to impact a lot of plays on both ends, even if he's not elite at any one thing. That said, his defense should translate right away. He also has a very professional mindset and focused, quiet demeanor that's appealing.

I don't see him as a top-5 pick in this draft, but could see him going in the 7 - 9 range. His archetype as a two-way big guard with on-ball creation is very valuable.

[tiderulz]

My pre draft big board:

tier1 all nba potential
1.Smith
2.Chet
3.Paolo

tier2-potential all star
4.Ivey

tier3-high end role player with slight all star potential
5.Daniels
6.Mathurin

tier 4 young homerun swings
7.Sharpe
8.Duren

tier 5 solid starters
9.Murray
10.Sochan
11.Williams
12.Griffin
13.Davis

i think people are sleeping on Murray. is legit 3 level scorer and a 2-way player. think a lot depends on his true height. i compare him to Danny Granger.

[buzzkilloton]

My pre draft big board:

tier1 all nba potential
1.Smith
2.Chet
3.Paolo

tier2-potential all star
4.Ivey

tier3-high end role player with slight all star potential
5.Daniels
6.Mathurin

tier 4 young homerun swings
7.Sharpe
8.Duren

tier 5 solid starters
9.Murray
10.Sochan
11.Williams
12.Griffin
13.Davis

i think people are sleeping on Murray. is legit 3 level scorer and a 2-way player. think a lot depends on his true height. i compare him to Danny Granger.

These older productive tweener forwards get way overrated by the masses. I see alot of TJ Warren and Kyle Kuzma in Murray. Warren was a 25 and 7 guy as a sophomore as well.

The 3 levels is a strange take. Murray completely ignored the mid range. Hes not beating guys off the dribble in the nba. I also dont believe in that absurdly high at the rim % at the next level. Hes not gonna be able to bully down low when hes not the biggest and strongest player down there.

[JRoy]

Saw the Blazers workout interview with Shaedon Sharpe and I am off the bandwagon.

Murray, Eason, Terry, even Duren or Liddell.

[stormi]

I really think Lofton is going to be decent in the NBA. In an NBA system he could become a Jokic type story once he gets that level of professional help for his conditioning. He just seems like he understands the game intuitively and plays well despite his weight.

I like Kenny Lofton too man. He's a monster down low on both ends, good passer, elite rebounder, improving shooter. Would happily invest a mid 2nd round pick into him.

[Gert42]

My pre draft big board:

tier1 all nba potential
1.Smith
2.Chet
3.Paolo

tier2-potential all star
4.Ivey

tier3-high end role player with slight all star potential
5.Daniels
6.Mathurin

tier 4 young homerun swings
7.Sharpe
8.Duren

tier 5 solid starters
9.Murray
10.Sochan
11.Williams
12.Griffin
13.Davis

i think people are sleeping on Murray. is legit 3 level scorer and a 2-way player. think a lot depends on his true height. i compare him to Danny Granger.

These older productive tweener forwards get way overrated by the masses. I see alot of TJ Warren and Kyle Kuzma in Murray. Warren was a 25 and 7 guy as a sophomore as well.

The 3 levels is a strange take. Murray completely ignored the mid range. Hes not beating guys off the dribble in the nba. I also dont believe in that absurdly high at the rim % at the next level. Hes not gonna be able to bully down low when hes not the biggest and strongest player down there.

The thing is though, if you see a lot of TJ Warren and Kyle Kuzma in Murray, a team should definitely take him in the 8-12 range, and if you see him better than that, I think that's where 4-7 comes into play.

[tiderulz]

My pre draft big board:

tier1 all nba potential
1.Smith
2.Chet
3.Paolo

tier2-potential all star
4.Ivey

tier3-high end role player with slight all star potential
5.Daniels
6.Mathurin

tier 4 young homerun swings
7.Sharpe
8.Duren

tier 5 solid starters
9.Murray
10.Sochan
11.Williams
12.Griffin
13.Davis

i think people are sleeping on Murray. is legit 3 level scorer and a 2-way player. think a lot depends on his true height. i compare him to Danny Granger.

These older productive tweener forwards get way overrated by the masses. I see alot of TJ Warren and Kyle Kuzma in Murray. Warren was a 25 and 7 guy as a sophomore as well.

The 3 levels is a strange take. Murray completely ignored the mid range. Hes not beating guys off the dribble in the nba. I also dont believe in that absurdly high at the rim % at the next level. Hes not gonna be able to bully down low when hes not the biggest and strongest player down there.

its not just me saying 3 levels, its scouts. And he comes in a much better 3 pt shooter than Kuzma or TJ Warren, so that spacing will help. he also plays defense, which those 2 dont. like i said, a lot depends on his true height

[buzzkilloton]

i think people are sleeping on Murray. is legit 3 level scorer and a 2-way player. think a lot depends on his true height. i compare him to Danny Granger.

These older productive tweener forwards get way overrated by the masses. I see alot of TJ Warren and Kyle Kuzma in Murray. Warren was a 25 and 7 guy as a sophomore as well.

The 3 levels is a strange take. Murray completely ignored the mid range. Hes not beating guys off the dribble in the nba. I also dont believe in that absurdly high at the rim % at the next level. Hes not gonna be able to bully down low when hes not the biggest and strongest player down there.

its not just me saying 3 levels, its scouts. And he comes in a much better 3 pt shooter than Kuzma or TJ Warren, so that spacing will help. he also plays defense, which those 2 dont. like i said, a lot depends on his true height

You may have heard that but you can check a shot chart and get the facts. 18/56 in the mid range last season

After watching a bunch of Murray since hes the favorite to go to the Pistons I've learned his defense is overrated. He gets blocks and steals but he gambles for them which cost ez buckets. If you watch J.Smith you see what good defense is -strong on ball defense and switching. Murrays switching isnt good at all.

[NO-KG-AI]

Not so bold prediction: Chet is going to take a picture next to some NBA guy who is falsely listed at 7' when he's really like barely 6'10, and he's going to tower over them, and it's going to send the beat writers into a frenzy about how he must have grown to 7'2 or 7'3 over the summer, thus continuing the cycle of thinking everyone grows another 3 inches after being drafted.

[K_chile22]

Not so bold prediction: Chet is going to take a picture next to some NBA guy who is falsely listed at 7' when he's really like barely 6'10, and he's going to tower over them, and it's going to send the beat writers into a frenzy about how he must have grown to 7'2 or 7'3 over the summer, thus continuing the cycle of thinking everyone grows another 3 inches after being drafted.

Ever since Giannis grew everyone thinks it's totally normal for 20+ YOs to grow and that they should expect their favorite prospect to do so

[clyde21]

Not so bold prediction: Chet is going to take a picture next to some NBA guy who is falsely listed at 7' when he's really like barely 6'10, and he's going to tower over them, and it's going to send the beat writers into a frenzy about how he must have grown to 7'2 or 7'3 over the summer, thus continuing the cycle of thinking everyone grows another 3 inches after being drafted.

yea Chet is a legit legit 7 footer

but to put Wemby in perspective



Zach Edey, left of Wemby, is listed at 7-4.

kek

[NO-KG-AI]

That pic is legit jarring to me, I can't wait until the Lakers pick is #1 over all next year and we get to bring Victor home to NO . I'm surprised that Chet's height isn't talked about more TBH. I was hoping he would measure, because I think he might be one of the few guys that are 7 foot without shoes, and you can basically count on one or two hands the amount of those guys that ever existed that actually have shooting and ball handling skills that translated to the court and not just in cone and chair drills at that height.

[clyde21]

That pic is legit jarring to me, I can't wait until the Lakers pick is #1 over all next year and we get to bring Victor home to NO . I'm surprised that Chet's height isn't talked about more TBH. I was hoping he would measure, because I think he might be one of the few guys that are 7 foot without shoes, and you can basically count on one or two hands the amount of those guys that ever existed that actually have shooting and ball handling skills that translated to the court and not just in cone and chair drills at that height.

Kessler and Williams also measured in at 7 ft barefoot, this draft has 3 legit 7 footers including Chet.

[FrightCoward]

That pic is legit jarring to me, I can't wait until the Lakers pick is #1 over all next year and we get to bring Victor home to NO . I'm surprised that Chet's height isn't talked about more TBH. I was hoping he would measure, because I think he might be one of the few guys that are 7 foot without shoes, and you can basically count on one or two hands the amount of those guys that ever existed that actually have shooting and ball handling skills that translated to the court and not just in cone and chair drills at that height.

Chet is definitely a legit 7’0 without shoes, you can just tell by looking at him. My only concerns about him is his weight. If he had a frame that could support more weight and he was able to maintain his skill and quickness, he’d be a no doubt #1 pick. As a Magic fan, I still like Jabari over him because I think Jabari had legit number one option, 25 PPG potential at the next level, but I wouldn’t be mad if they rolled the dice on Chet, who could be awesome if everything pans out.

[CptCrunch]

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