Luka Doncic

[pacersGM]

@Bob8 one more thing.

wich one is the "BETTER PLAYER - PF":

TONI KUKOC - 3 time nba chamion, euroleague champion, 2in the world in 92 or CHARLES BARKLEY, fat undersized player, without great passing vision, ballhandling and WITHOUT A RING? i think i know your answer! TONI TONI TONI!! hahaha, sorry i had to man.

[Wildlinger]

dragic is way better than bodiroga? i sense drunkenness in this statement.

I sense drunkenness in about 90% of posts in this thread. This has to be the funniest thread on this board. Draft threads are usually pretty funny as it is, but the exaggerations and hyperbole in this one takes the cake. I really got a good laugh reading some of those comments. Can't take them seriously, but they sure are funny. Hilarious actually!

[Bob8]

@pacersGM

Please rank following players: Teodosic, Diamantidis, Spanoulis, Bodiroga, Llull, Dragic.

[Gam]

Thread has been totally derailed.

[BoardCrusher]

Thread has been totally derailed.

Indeed, hijacked by trolls, haters and jealous people. People that dont like the hype need to just ignore the thread, why are some trying to ruin the enjoyment for others is beyond me, are peoples lives really that miserable, it sure looks like it.
And now someone is gonna come up with "were trying to be objective and evaluate BS" while acting like theyre Nostradamus predicting the future, while the FACT is no other player at the age of 17/18 has shown anything similar in Europe.

one more for the haters

Watch on YouTube

[pacersGM]

Thread has been totally derailed.

Indeed, hijacked by trolls, haters and jealous people. People that dont like the hype need to just ignore the thread, why are some trying to ruin the enjoyment for others is beyond me, are peoples lives really that miserable, it sure looks like it.
And now someone is gonna come up with "were trying to be objective and evaluate BS" while acting like theyre Nostradamus predicting the future, while the FACT is no other player at the age of 17/18 has shown anything similar in Europe.

true.

i am scared to post here, because i may say something like: i hope he averages about 15-5-5 or i hope doncic becomes at least a 1-time nba all star!
such statements would probably piss of most of the cloud nine uber fanatics, since it seems they are aiming for the HALL OF FAME AFTER HIS ROOKIE SEASON

so i wont say such "negative" things about doncic anymore.

[reanimator]

I could say Lonzo Ball is clearly a better athlete and offers more in the way of defensive versatility than Doncic thus making him a better player.

That said, I have them in the same tier. Doncic clearly offers more in the way of PnR play and has a rudimentary post game.

Both become fairly different players if they ever develop a pull up and some creativity with their handle.

[Bob8]

Thread has been totally derailed.

Indeed, hijacked by trolls, haters and jealous people. People that dont like the hype need to just ignore the thread, why are some trying to ruin the enjoyment for others is beyond me, are peoples lives really that miserable, it sure looks like it.
And now someone is gonna come up with "were trying to be objective and evaluate BS" while acting like theyre Nostradamus predicting the future, while the FACT is no other player at the age of 17/18 has shown anything similar in Europe.

true.

i am scared to post here, because i may say something like: i hope he averages about 15-5-5 or i hope doncic becomes at least a 1-time nba all star!
such statements would probably piss of most of the cloud nine uber fanatics, since it seems they are aiming for the HALL OF FAME AFTER HIS ROOKIE SEASON

so i wont say such "negative" things about doncic anymore.

no, you're saying he has more or less minimum chance to be as good as Dragic and almost none to be better. and forgetting how incredible low chances had Dragic when he was 18 to average sometime in his career yours 15-5-5. no one here is saying he will be for sure great player, we're only saying he might be. on the other hand, you're 99.9% sure he won't be. and you don't believe he will be good one, like Dragic, either. only predictions here are yours. if someone is far the best young player in Europe and doing what is he doing in the second best league in the world, he deserves at least benefit of the doubt and you're for some reason incapable giving him one.

[Bob8]

I could say Lonzo Ball is clearly a better athlete and offers more in the way of defensive versatility than Doncic thus making him a better player.

That said, I have them in the same tier. Doncic clearly offers more in the way of PnR play and has a rudimentary post game.

Both become fairly different players if they ever develop a pull up and some creativity with their handle.

maybe we shouldn't forget that Doncic is born in 99 and Ball in 97. Doncic has some time to develop his game and his body.

[Bob8]

Dragić, bodiroga, teo, spanoulis, llull, diamantidis

and only criteria is that player has to play in Nba?

[narcolepsy]

true.

i am scared to post here, because i may say something like: i hope he averages about 15-5-5 or i hope doncic becomes at least a 1-time nba all star!
such statements would probably piss of most of the cloud nine uber fanatics, since it seems they are aiming for the HALL OF FAME AFTER HIS ROOKIE SEASON

so i wont say such "negative" things about doncic anymore.

I have to say, you're by far the most annoying poster in this thread. There are some people who believe their words are the holy truth, some people overrate NBA/NCAA players and underrate Euroleague players and vice versa. But you took opinion of one person and generalised it over every poster of this thread, when 99% of us are saying its pointless to compare him to HOF and other legends. Find me 3 different people who are saying he'll have a HOF career. Saying he's a better prospect at 17/18 as some of the legends is not the same as saying when it's all said and done, he'll be the better player.

Also your 15-5-5 statsheet is just your opinion, people told you those numbers are worthless, not because ALL of them believe Dončič is next LeBron, but because you cant predict the future. Who know's how he'll do, maybe he wont be able to buy a bucket, maybe he'll improve and won't have trouble scoring. You cant put a hard cap on it and label everyone who dont agree with you as fanboys.

Finally if you'd stop repeating yourself over and over again and being smug about it, that'd be great. It's getting pretty old listening how EVERYONE here thinks he's going to be in HOF.

[reanimator]

I could say Lonzo Ball is clearly a better athlete and offers more in the way of defensive versatility than Doncic thus making him a better player.

That said, I have them in the same tier. Doncic clearly offers more in the way of PnR play and has a rudimentary post game.

Both become fairly different players if they ever develop a pull up and some creativity with their handle.

maybe we shouldn't forget that Doncic is born in 99 and Ball in 97. Doncic has some time to develop his game and his body.

I didn't post the "Doncic is better than Ball video so maybe address that person?

And where did I say Doncic could not develop his game? This whole thread I've been hypothesizing about how he could expand his game to be a legitimate #1 pick.

[Bob8]

I could say Lonzo Ball is clearly a better athlete and offers more in the way of defensive versatility than Doncic thus making him a better player.

That said, I have them in the same tier. Doncic clearly offers more in the way of PnR play and has a rudimentary post game.

Both become fairly different players if they ever develop a pull up and some creativity with their handle.

maybe we shouldn't forget that Doncic is born in 99 and Ball in 97. Doncic has some time to develop his game and his body.

I didn't post the "Doncic is better than Ball video so maybe address that person?

And where did I say Doncic could not develop his game? This whole thread I've been hypothesizing about how he could expand his game to be a legitimate #1 pick.

it looked to me it has been more, how he's not legitimate #1 pick. but that's legitimate too.

[Mirotic12]

@pacersGM

Please rank following players: Teodosic, Diamantidis, Spanoulis, Bodiroga, Llull, Dragic.

I'd rank them,

1. Spanoulis
2. Bodiroga
3. Teodosic
4. Llull
5. Diamantidis
6. Dragic

[pacersGM]

I have to say, you're by far the most annoying poster in this thread. There are some people who believe their words are the holy truth, some people overrate NBA/NCAA players and underrate Euroleague players and vice versa. But you took opinion of one person and generalised it over every poster of this thread, when 99% of us are saying its pointless to compare him to HOF and other legends. Find me 3 different people who are saying he'll have a HOF career. Saying he's a better prospect at 17/18 as some of the legends is not the same as saying when it's all said and done, he'll be the better player.

Also your 15-5-5 statsheet is just your opinion, people told you those numbers are worthless, not because ALL of them believe Dončič is next LeBron, but because you cant predict the future. Who know's how he'll do, maybe he wont be able to buy a bucket, maybe he'll improve and won't have trouble scoring. You cant put a hard cap on it and label everyone who dont agree with you as fanboys.

Finally if you'd stop repeating yourself over and over again and being smug about it, that'd be great. It's getting pretty old listening how EVERYONE here thinks he's going to be in HOF.

Seems you have a problem with me probably because im new here. since i just read a few posts above how two posters argued who predicted his minutes played in a game right. And it went into decimals 19,9 vs 20 minutes per game.

So it cant be just me. But tough luck, drafts and prospects boards are about that, naming a ceiling for a prospect. And my is in hard numbers, so i can go look back in a few years and say, look it was pretty darn close or admit i was dead wrong and beeing very veery hapy because a player from slovenia was an all star or even hall of famer.

So sorry, i wont stop discussing. I would, if i would be the only one doing the predicting

[pacersGM]

Saying he's a better prospect at 17/18 as some of the legends is not the same as saying when it's all said and done, he'll be the better player.

even that above quote is bull... because even as a 18 year old, he is far from what the legends at that age were doing.

- larry bird was scoring freaking 30 ppg in his first ncaa season!
- drazen petrovic was scoring 25 ppg in a rugget no nonsense yugoslavian league at 18!
- nowitzki was scoring 22 ppg in a german league as an 18 year old!
- kukoc was scoring 18 points in the euroleague final game as an 20 year old in 1989!

those stats were averaged freaking 30 years ago, when it was not commong practice to force 17-18 olds into senior clubs to see if they can find the next lebron, bird, petrovic and cash in on him ...

and dont say german league dont count or, yugoslavian league doesnt count. thats bull. if a kid scored 20-25-30 ppg in a good domestic league at 18-19, you will hear about him in the next 10-15 years worldwide.

if a kid is before his time with 8 points 4 rebounds and 4 assist per game at 18 in the euroleague, thats great. but if he stalls at that until 20-21. well we have been there havent we? rubio etc ... and 8 ppg aint that big of a deal neither. as i havent heard of a great great or legendary player who became that by averaging 18 points, 8 and 8. so scoring will be asked of him, no mater where or what he is destined to do.

[pacersGM]

and one last post from me to put things in perspective, then im done:

L-E-B-R-O-N J-A-M-E-S - the second best player in the world since the game of basketball is played, THE ULTIMATE ATHLETE, and the personification of ONE MAN DOING IT ALL, the pinnacle of COURT VISION, and carrying a team was averaging 7.4 REBOUNDS 6.8 ASSIST and 25,3 POINTS PER GAME last season

and tell me who in HIS RIGHT MIND would be claiming LUKA DONCIC will be comming anywhere near those mans stats !?!?
and since my PREDICTED claim his ceiling is 15-5-5 is selling him low, THINK AGAIN! LEBRON JAMES 25-7-7 CANT BE LUKA DONCICS ceiling! not in your wettest dreams. so deal with my 15-5-5 or cry later

[narcolepsy]

Russell Westbrook is averaging triple double. Does this make him a better player than LeBron? Ofcourse not.
Actually I can apply the same logic to Ricky Rubio - he's averaging 11/4/9 and everyone's in agreement that he's pretty much the same player as he was in Europe. Dončič's stats in Euroleague are already better than Rubio's, and yet even in best case scenario where Dončič keeps improving his game over the next 5, maybe even 10 years it's impossible for him to average more than 4ppg than one of the most scoringly challenged players in league? His ceiling is to grab only 1 more rebound than Rubio, when he's so much taller and a better leaper and rebounder? It's impossible to average more than 5 assists per game, when he's almost averaging that in Euroleague right now and they are much more generous about counting assists in the NBA?
I'm by no means claiming he'll average more than 11/4/9 in his rookie season, just wanted to show you how flawed your logic can be. That's the reason I dislike your posts, you believe your opinion is somehow worth more than any other.

He's averaging 8.1/4.5/4.3 in a bit less than 20 minutes and I think context is also important - Euroleague is the most competitive it has ever been and he's playing for the best team in the league. Let's agree to disagree if it's impressive or not.

[pacersGM]

do you think ricky rubio didnt give everything he has, and tries 100% to get better? its not like he stalled by his own choice?
so to anticipate doncic will put the same work in the 100% that rubio tries each and every day, and have a gigantic leap over rubio in terms of development and production? thats the thing i doubt.

even if 8-4-4 are impressive for 17-18 years, but i just dont see that leap to the 22 points per game here. because 20 minutes young or not, are alot of playing time. its not like he is putting up quick 8 points in 10 minutes, and is beeing held back by the minutes.

all im saying is his develop. potential is not as big as people would like it to be. (please forget monsters like bird, nowitzki, petrovic ... because its simply wont happen with those 8 points per game). and nobody will call him a game changer with 8 rebounds, 8 assist and 17 points per game. like no one calls rubio that. even tho the 9 assist and steals are very very impressive. so a solid nba starter, just without the firepower.

[pacersGM]

@narcolepsy tell me what kind of production do you expect from doncic in his best nba year if he decides to go to the nba? under the condition he playes 30+ minutes, everything goes fine, no injuries etc... put that in numbers and or. in a player who you thinks his production could be doncics nba ceilig.

i wont try to prove a point, just so that i see where you stand on it. and it is possible to put it in relative numbers, and it doesnt mean your a fortune teller because of that. i would really like to know