Jimmer Fredette & Kemba Walker (draft position)

Big Shamrock · Post #1 » by **Big Shamrock** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:20 pm

These two guys are currently battling for the scoring title in the NCAA this year. Jimmer dropped 47 last night, while Kemba is averaging about 26 points along with a few boards and assists. Are these guys expected to be high picks in the next NBA draft? I can see Kemba becoming a solid combo guard despite being 6'1.

Gus McCrae · Post #2 » by **Gus McCrae** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:23 pm

I have no idea how often this site is updated but...

http://www.draftexpress.com/

Kemba at #6
I can't find the other guy

Post #3 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:39 pm

nbadraft.net has walker slotted at 18 and fredette slotted at 27:

http://www.nbadraft.net/2011mock_draft

It was last updated yesterday.

Leolovinliberal · Post #4 » by **Leolovinliberal** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:20 pm

I was gonna start this exact thread last night. I can't help but think that if Fredette were black he'd be a lottery lock, still might be though. It's kinda sad that race may play a part in this.

Kingsforlife · Post #5 » by **Kingsforlife** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:31 pm

Jimmer will go in the first round either the Lakers or Heat will take him

Point-God · Post #6 » by **Point-God** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:22 am

They are both old upper classmen taking 18 and 19 year olds with not even NBDL talent to school. Evan Turner did it last season at the age of 21. Some freshman that are too talented for NCAA basketball like Sullinger also are doing it as well. Imagine Sullinger as a junior or senior... If they did it as freshmen or even sophomores before the age of 20 then we might have noteworthy prospects on our hands. But they didn't... Don't overate them as NBA prospects is all I have to say. Just like no one cares who scores 40 in the DLeague or International basketball, it's difficult to care when a 20-22 year old does it in college.

Point-God · Post #7 » by **Point-God** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:26 am

Does anyone remember Ben Woodside?

mid-post · Post #8 » by **mid-post** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:17 am

Point-God wrote:They are both old upper classmen taking 18 and 19 year olds with not even NBDL talent to school. Evan Turner did it last season at the age of 21. Some freshman that are too talented for NCAA basketball like Sullinger also are doing it as well. Imagine Sullinger as a junior or senior... If they did it as freshmen or even sophomores before the age of 20 then we might have noteworthy prospects on our hands. But they didn't... Don't overate them as NBA prospects is all I have to say. Just like no one cares who scores 40 in the DLeague or International basketball, it's difficult to care when a 20-22 year old does it in college.

It's a good thing guys like Michael Jordan, Jason Kidd and Dwyane Wade (among others) weren't playing against all those college scrubs at the age of 20-21.

Point-God · Post #9 » by **Point-God** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:03 am

mid-post wrote:
Point-God wrote:They are both old upper classmen taking 18 and 19 year olds with not even NBDL talent to school. Evan Turner did it last season at the age of 21. Some freshman that are too talented for NCAA basketball like Sullinger also are doing it as well. Imagine Sullinger as a junior or senior... If they did it as freshmen or even sophomores before the age of 20 then we might have noteworthy prospects on our hands. But they didn't... Don't overate them as NBA prospects is all I have to say. Just like no one cares who scores 40 in the DLeague or International basketball, it's difficult to care when a 20-22 year old does it in college.

It's a good thing guys like Michael Jordan, Jason Kidd and Dwyane Wade (among others) weren't playing against all those college scrubs at the age of 20-21.

Yeah like there were numerous high school players entering the NBA when Jordan was playing or the DLeague even existing at it's current size when Wade was playing or International basketball being an option for players with NCAA eligibility left for any of them. What a joke. :lol:

mid-post · Post #10 » by **mid-post** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:19 am

Point-God wrote:Yeah like there were numerous high school players entering the NBA when Jordan was playing or the DLeague even existing at it's current size when Wade was playing or International basketball being an option for players with NCAA eligibility left for any of them. What a joke.

Like anyone enters the league from high-school today and the game is way more popular internationally than it was when Jordan was playing and continue indecipherable run on sentence. What a joke. :lol:

mid-post · Post #11 » by **mid-post** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:22 am

And I'm not saying I disagree with your theory completely, just that it has a gaping hole in it.

Post #12 » by **jman3134** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:59 am

Ok, both of you have a point, but I would have to agree with mid-post in general. The expectations are not that high at such a young age given the differing levels of physical development. So, the Jordan's and the Wade's did compete against solid college competition. They really improved in the NBA though.

With all of that said, you have to predict how the given player's game will project at the next level. Walker has the quickness to create space at the next level. That is why realistic draft sites have him as a top 10 pick.

Jimmer, on the other hand, is a tremendous shooter and scorer, but his game is not as conducive to the NBA. His shooting will obviously translate, but it is really tough to predict how he will distribute the ball at the next level considering how different his BYU team plays relative to the NBA style. Moreover, there are questions about his lateral quickness, defending against guys like Paul, Felton, etc. Walker has the speed to defend; thereby, it has little to do with race.

Clearly though, Jimmer should be a first round pick. If nothing else, his shooting ability is tremendous and this will not change at the next level.

Oh, and no way is Jimmer comparable to Ben Woodside. He is far more skilled. For reference, some NBA GM's projected him as a 1st rounder last year. He was unaware of this however, and withdrew. First of all, he is not simply a three point shooter that can distribute the ball. He has the entire offensive repertoire down at the college level- he is a crafty scorer. Next, he has the height advantage. Then, factor in the fact that Jimmer is much more athletic than Woodside.

Point-God · Post #13 » by **Point-God** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:04 am

mid-post wrote:And I'm not saying I disagree with your theory completely, just that it has a gaping hole in it.

Yup, just like both of your posts that excluded the DLeague and DLeague expansion. Give it up, you are like 2-3 years behind the curve. You'll have to read your favorite website post on this topic before you take it as truth. See you here in 2-3 years when you finally catch up. :lol:

Point-God · Post #14 » by **Point-God** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:14 am

Ben Woodside had these same threads on the internet after his 60 point game, so what happened?
Why must it be like Groundhog Day to people who want these trash overly mature for college basketball players to succeed in the NBA after dominating college? It's not their talent/potential, its the maturity. The average DLeague player would go back to college basketball and completely dominate.

GROUNDHOG DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Post #15 » by **jman3134** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:22 am

Ok, I see that they are both white. So what?

babyjax13 · Post #16 » by **babyjax13** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:07 am

Point-God wrote:Does anyone remember Ben Woodside?

Or Keydran Clark... http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Key ... 570/stats/

AboveTheRim726 · Post #17 » by **AboveTheRim726** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:10 pm

Walker best case scenario will be a poor man's AI(which is still pretty good).

Worst case scenario he's Johnny Flynn.

NY_Knicks · Post #18 » by **NY_Knicks** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:00 pm

Jimmer isn't really similar to Woodside. He is bigger, plays in a better conference and has been putting up big scoring games the past two years. He won't be a lottery pick, but he can crack the first round and be a off the bench shooter.

Post #19 » by **UGA Hayes** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:18 am

Jimmer probably needs to look at a guy like Beno Udrih for a role model. Sort of a maybe could make it in the NBA but not as a astarter on a decent team.

Kingsforlife · Post #20 » by **Kingsforlife** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:41 am

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft/re ... r-fredette

crazy ass Per