Has Derrick Williams emerged as consensus No. 1?

Krodis · Post #41 » by **Krodis** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 6:00 am

I'm not sure I like the "tweener" label for Williams because it's normally used to indicate a guy is too short/weak to play the 4 and too slow to play the 3. While Williams certainly isn't a pure 3 or a pure 4, I don't see the negatives in him I'd normally attribute to a "tweener".

rpa · Post #42 » by **rpa** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 6:32 am

Dark Faze wrote:Kings also want Irving #1 overall.

Hard to say what the Kings would do with that #1 pick given how good Thornton has looked. If you grab Kyrie you're almost assuredly pushing Thornton to the bench. I could totally see the Kings going with Williams #1 and running a lineup of Evans/Thornton/Williams in the backcourt along with Cousins and someone else up front (could be a resigned Dalembert, could be a guy like Nene, etc.)

ManualRam · Post #43 » by **ManualRam** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 8:32 am

rpa wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:Kings also want Irving #1 overall.

Hard to say what the Kings would do with that #1 pick given how good Thornton has looked. If you grab Kyrie you're almost assuredly pushing Thornton to the bench. I could totally see the Kings going with Williams #1 and running a lineup of Evans/Thornton/Williams in the backcourt along with Cousins and someone else up front (could be a resigned Dalembert, could be a guy like Nene, etc.)

Why not push tyreke to the 3, to the bench or better yet off the team?
That'd be sick if they drafted kyrie and outbid everyone for nene
Kyrie/beno
Thornton/j.taylor
Garcia/casspi
Cousins/jt
Nene/whiteside
Would be a very promising team with pieces that complement each other.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #44 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:27 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:I don't get the Paul talk for Irving either. The best comparison I can think of for him is a 6'2 Jameer Nelson. Which is damn good. But not Chris Paul.

I think Kyrie is closer to a Steph Curry. Great shooter, good (but not great) athleticism, crafty in the paint, with solid court vision. I think he's a better defender than Curry though.

Draft Master J · Post #45 » by **Draft Master J** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:12 pm

Williams measured in at 6'9", 231 lb. and a 7' wingspan at the LeBron Skills Academy last summer. Those are solid power forward measurements, especially for a kid who had just turned 19 two weeks earlier and who has plenty of time to add weight/strength. Also, if you compare last year's LSA measurements to the official pre-draft measurements, the LSA heights are actually a bit lower, so they seem to be fairly legit and not exaggerations.

hands11 · Post #46 » by **hands11** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:26 pm

TGW wrote:Depends on the measurements. 6'7 in shoes = 5-10 range. 6'9 in shoes = #1 or #2. Sad how a couple of inches can drive someone's draft stock.

I have seen enough that I'm not real worried about how he is going to measure.

He is a SF and he is going to be effective immediately in the NBA.

Post #47 » by **5DOM** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:11 pm

http://www.arizonawildcats.com/sports/m ... 11aad.html

Just declared for the draft

droponov · Post #48 » by **droponov** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:39 pm

Does he have the explosiveness, advanced ball-handling, first step and creativity to beat NBA wings 1x1? I'm sure he'll have no problem with 4s, but with guys like Gay, LeBron, Marion, Artest, Granger, Ariza, Marvin Williams, etc, will he able to beat them, is he skilled and quick enough for that?

Because the difference in defensive quickness between a NBA 3 and a college 4 is nothing short of gigantic.

So Clutch · Post #49 » by **So Clutch** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:21 am

droponov wrote:Does he have the explosiveness, advanced ball-handling, first step and creativity to beat NBA wings 1x1? I'm sure he'll have no problem with 4s, but with guys like Gay, LeBron, Marion, Artest, Granger, Ariza, Marvin Williams, etc, will he able to beat them, is he skilled and quick enough for that?

Because the difference in defensive quickness between a NBA 3 and a college 4 is nothing short of gigantic.

my question is how explosive, advanced in ball handling, quick first step and creative are guys like Marion, Artest, etc. These guys ain't beating anyone one on one...yet they are fine as NBA 3.

Jazzfan12 · Post #50 » by **Jazzfan12** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:33 am

But Williams is a one-on-one player, beat them off the dribble player.

WhatsaTDot · Post #51 » by **WhatsaTDot** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:24 am

So Clutch wrote:
droponov wrote:Does he have the explosiveness, advanced ball-handling, first step and creativity to beat NBA wings 1x1? I'm sure he'll have no problem with 4s, but with guys like Gay, LeBron, Marion, Artest, Granger, Ariza, Marvin Williams, etc, will he able to beat them, is he skilled and quick enough for that?

Because the difference in defensive quickness between a NBA 3 and a college 4 is nothing short of gigantic.

my question is how explosive, advanced in ball handling, quick first step and creative are guys like Marion, Artest, etc. These guys ain't beating anyone one on one...yet they are fine as NBA 3.

Marion and Artest USED to be very mobile 3s.

I want to read feedback about Williams' pre draft workouts against other 3s before I decide he can be an impact player there. I fear the lack of lateral quickness there will expose him as being a tweener.

Dark Faze · Post #52 » by **Dark Faze** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:44 pm

He's underrated. He's very explosive and I've yet to see a college a prospect with such an advanced offensive game coupled with a high IQ. I'm glad there isn't much hype for him...he's going to kill at the next level.

Cammo101 · Post #53 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:13 pm

Jazzfan12 wrote:But Williams is a one-on-one player, beat them off the dribble player.

Williams also has an advance post game that should take advantage of SF's not used to defending in the post.

Jazzfan12 · Post #54 » by **Jazzfan12** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:18 pm

His post game isn't that good. He has good positioning, but not many moves at all.

umopapisdn · Post #55 » by **umopapisdn** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:07 pm

He was much better in college at using his speed against bigger, slower players than at using his size against smaller, quicker players. Putting him at SF takes away his biggest strength. I expect someone will try to convert him, but as long as he proves himself capable of rebounding at a competent rate I think he will be a 4 in the long run.

Point-God · Post #56 » by **Point-God** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:26 pm

Cammo101 wrote:
Jazzfan12 wrote:But Williams is a one-on-one player, beat them off the dribble player.

Williams also has an advance post game that should take advantage of SF's not used to defending in the post.

Yup, that's where he separates himself. As a 19 year old, his post game is elite for a forward.

MarJJMar · Post #57 » by **MarJJMar** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:48 pm

Jazzfan12 wrote:His post game isn't that good. He has good positioning, but not many moves at all.

It is excellent for his age and coming out of college if you ask me.

dolphinatik · Post #58 » by **dolphinatik** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:44 pm

D Williams is certainly in the conversation, I would take him irving or Barnes over Kemba. Sullinger also could be solid.

Dark Faze · Post #59 » by **Dark Faze** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:17 pm

I prefer him at PF...but I think at SF he could be a Paul Pierce type...he is crafty, has a nice handle and is bulky.

Ca · Post #60 » by Ca » Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:11 pm

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