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Post#21 » by Dr Positivity » Sat May 26, 2012 8:04 pm

Ford even thinks Henson will play the 3. The guy has like no idea
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Post#22 » by Brauer » Sat May 26, 2012 10:44 pm

This thread is about PJ4 not 3 guys
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Post#23 » by bigbadstevenson » Sun May 27, 2012 10:50 am

Watching the game last night, it struck me that Thaddeus Young seems like a bit of a tweener - in ways similar to Jones - and seems to fit in at either forward spot. To those who are suspicious of Jones' ability to fit in, what does Young have that he doesn't?
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Post#24 » by corwin » Sun May 27, 2012 12:15 pm

Young is actually shorter. He also doesn't really have a starting position which means that he has to be sort of a specialist off the bench. When he comes in the game it is almost always at the PF & he is often out-matched there. You need to have other decent bigs when you have a specialist like that. Makes it hard to draft a guy like that too high since teams are generally hoping to get a starter in picks 1 through about 10.
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Post#25 » by crazybranman360 » Sun May 27, 2012 12:56 pm

corwin wrote:Young is actually shorter. He also doesn't really have a starting position which means that he has to be sort of a specialist off the bench. When he comes in the game it is almost always at the PF & he is often out-matched there. You need to have other decent bigs when you have a specialist like that. Makes it hard to draft a guy like that too high since teams are generally hoping to get a starter in picks 1 through about 10.



starting positions are soooooo overrated. What do they really mean? Its all about the guys you surround them with no what there stereotypical "position" is
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Post#26 » by corwin » Sun May 27, 2012 2:34 pm

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corwin wrote:Young is actually shorter. He also doesn't really have a starting position which means that he has to be sort of a specialist off the bench. When he comes in the game it is almost always at the PF & he is often out-matched there. You need to have other decent bigs when you have a specialist like that. Makes it hard to draft a guy like that too high since teams are generally hoping to get a starter in picks 1 through about 10.



starting positions are soooooo overrated. What do they really mean? Its all about the guys you surround them with no what there stereotypical "position" is


I understand that match-ups & balance are the keys. Thad is a tweener 4 & Philly would get killed on the boards if he started but that is because they don't have a dominant front big man.
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Post#27 » by crazybranman360 » Sun May 27, 2012 3:16 pm

corwin wrote:
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corwin wrote:Young is actually shorter. He also doesn't really have a starting position which means that he has to be sort of a specialist off the bench. When he comes in the game it is almost always at the PF & he is often out-matched there. You need to have other decent bigs when you have a specialist like that. Makes it hard to draft a guy like that too high since teams are generally hoping to get a starter in picks 1 through about 10.



starting positions are soooooo overrated. What do they really mean? Its all about the guys you surround them with no what there stereotypical "position" is


I understand that match-ups & balance are the keys. Thad is a tweener 4 & Philly would get killed on the boards if he started but that is because they don't have a dominant front big man.


exactly. So don't draft Perry Jones because he "he doesn't have a position" because everything is situational. Some teams would be a good fit for PJIII at the 3 some wouldn't
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Post#28 » by need4detroit » Sun May 27, 2012 3:28 pm

Thaddeus Young is 6'8'' with a 6'11.5'' wingspan. Perry Jones is 6'11'' with a 7'2.5''' wingspan.
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Post#30 » by Jazzfan12 » Sun May 27, 2012 9:02 pm

bigbadstevenson wrote:Watching the game last night, it struck me that Thaddeus Young seems like a bit of a tweener - in ways similar to Jones - and seems to fit in at either forward spot. To those who are suspicious of Jones' ability to fit in, what does Young have that he doesn't?


Young is a much better defensive player and plays much harder. He's not a SF at all though.
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Post#31 » by Dat2U » Sun May 27, 2012 10:25 pm

With Jones it's all about his intensity & activity on the court. The few times I've seen him really bring it from a high energy level he's absolutely devastating in transition and attacking the offensive glass. He'd be a guy you really wouldn't have to run plays for because he's got the rare natural ability to create havoc without the ball in his hands.

It doesn't matter what position he plays. He's got a raw physical athleticism to excel at either but skill wise he's somewhere in between. He looks more like a face up four than anything else.

Jones will need to go to the absolute perfect situation. The organization that drafts him will need to be willing in the invest a lot of time into him. Find out what makes him tick and find away to bring out the hungry determination he only flashed in spurts.
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Post#32 » by Charsace » Mon May 28, 2012 3:58 am

This kid isn't as good a prospect as Odom was coming out of college. Odom was so skilled that people thought he could play pg, he turned out to be a point forward at least though. Jones is a guy that looks like a player so most people fall in love with him. I don't think he's good and whoever chooses to draft him will be out of a job in 2-3 years.
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Post#33 » by vincecarter4pres » Mon May 28, 2012 2:56 pm

Steely Reserve wrote:So Perry Jones is a workout warrior now huh?

SMFH

We get it that many of you auto-hate when it comes to anything dealing with PJIII. But to act like this guy didn't pit up 13/7 on 10 shots a game in college is being disingenuous at best.

I mean really, workout warrior??? Please...

You mean 13.5 on 11 attempts a game? Only 3 FTA's a game? Good for 54% TS?

But yeah, let's not act like he didn't accomplish that this year...
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Post#34 » by crazybranman360 » Mon May 28, 2012 3:37 pm

Needs to go to the Cavs.

Irving as the PG, Scott to push him, forced to be the top offensive options, can play the 3
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Post#35 » by Steely Reserve » Mon May 28, 2012 6:48 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:
Steely Reserve wrote:So Perry Jones is a workout warrior now huh?

SMFH

We get it that many of you auto-hate when it comes to anything dealing with PJIII. But to act like this guy didn't pit up 13/7 on 10 shots a game in college is being disingenuous at best.

I mean really, workout warrior??? Please...

You mean 13.5 on 11 attempts a game? Only 3 FTA's a game? Good for 54% TS?

But yeah, let's not act like he didn't accomplish that this year...

Those are good numbers when you factor Jones had to create his own offense most of the time. And even then, the defense was still tipped to help off any move he made.

Yea, let's blame him for not catching five oops a game like Anthony Davis.

Some of you are making this way harder than it needs to be. Then again, many of you have no idea what you're talking about so you spout media-fed BS. Jones can put the ball in the basket. He is a nightmare matchup at the next level. All the ridiculous banter about motor and intensity won't change the fact the guy can do what he wants, when he wants on a basketball court. If the second half of the Kentucky game wasn't enough for you to see how his game will translate to the next level, take off the blinders... NOW
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Post#36 » by MalonesElbows » Mon May 28, 2012 7:52 pm

The sample size is too large for Jones having played two NCAA seasons with heavy minutes, the guy is nothing special.
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Post#37 » by EvanZ » Mon May 28, 2012 8:14 pm

I don't even like PJIII let alone his son.
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Post#38 » by MaceCase » Tue May 29, 2012 12:06 am

A mixture between Jeff Green without the range and Josh Smith without the shot blocking.
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Post#39 » by Jazzfan12 » Tue May 29, 2012 2:03 am

Steely Reserve wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:
Steely Reserve wrote:So Perry Jones is a workout warrior now huh?

SMFH

We get it that many of you auto-hate when it comes to anything dealing with PJIII. But to act like this guy didn't pit up 13/7 on 10 shots a game in college is being disingenuous at best.

I mean really, workout warrior??? Please...

You mean 13.5 on 11 attempts a game? Only 3 FTA's a game? Good for 54% TS?

But yeah, let's not act like he didn't accomplish that this year...

Those are good numbers when you factor Jones had to create his own offense most of the time. And even then, the defense was still tipped to help off any move he made.

Yea, let's blame him for not catching five oops a game like Anthony Davis.

Some of you are making this way harder than it needs to be. Then again, many of you have no idea what you're talking about so you spout media-fed BS. Jones can put the ball in the basket. He is a nightmare matchup at the next level. All the ridiculous banter about motor and intensity won't change the fact the guy can do what he wants, when he wants on a basketball court. If the second half of the Kentucky game wasn't enough for you to see how his game will translate to the next level, take off the blinders... NOW


Are you really trying to use a half where his team was down by 20 and Kentucky was coasting and Davis was injured?
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Post#40 » by Steely Reserve » Tue May 29, 2012 2:21 am

When you put the ball in hands for him to do something, usually something good happens.

Why can't you all understand this?

What's so hard to grasp about why this training is so valuable in the NBA?

All the BS propaganda and conjecture won't change the fact Perry cam drive, shoot, and pass. I dont see how he will be consistently stopped at the next level, particularly if he goes somewhere with a quality point guard.

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