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dellavedova not worth a 2nd round pick ? 

Post#1 » by thecouch » Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:40 am

all the mock drafts ive seen haven't had matthew dellavedova picked anywhere . in the group workouts ive read he has been one of the sstandouts . he had a great college career and could have probably had better stats on a better team . played well for Australia in the Olympics. I know he doesn't have the huge upside which seems to be what every one wants but he is better then most of these 2nd round guys will ever be. he would be worth a 2nd round as his pick and roll could suit many teams . im not saying he will be a star but could make a very good roll player
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Post#2 » by [RCG] » Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:48 am

I don't know about him but a team struggling with attendance should look into drafting Elena Della Donne with a 2nd round pick!
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Post#3 » by Winglish » Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:44 am

I agree. I think Dellavedova will make an excellent 3rd PG for some team that needs a smart, ball-control type of guy who is a good shooter and passer. I don't know if that's worth a 2nd round pick, but a team that needs a third point guard should invite him to camp.
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Post#4 » by Cammo101 » Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:21 am

I think he is about 50/50 to be drafted. If the draft was 70 picks instead of 60, he'd be in my mock right now.
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Post#5 » by Golabki » Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:43 pm

The big knock on Delladova is that he just wasn't an impact player in college, despite being a Sr and playing against 3rd comp.
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Post#6 » by Dr Positivity » Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:35 pm

Golabki wrote:The big knock on Delladova is that he just wasn't an impact player in college, despite being a Sr and playing against 3rd comp.


He was still 21 PER. Sure he could've done better but he still produced
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Post#7 » by Winglish » Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:27 pm

Golabki wrote:The big knock on Delladova is that he just wasn't an impact player in college, despite being a Sr and playing against 3rd comp.


He was still 21 PER. Sure he could've done better but he still produced


...and many times all you ask from the third PG is to go in and be free from errors. Some teams like a spark plug off the bench (a la Nate Robinson, etc.) Others want someone to run the offense and let the other players do their work while you buy time for the starting player. I think it's good for teams to have both types of players on the bench.
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Post#8 » by Golabki » Mon Jun 10, 2013 9:55 pm

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Golabki wrote:The big knock on Delladova is that he just wasn't an impact player in college, despite being a Sr and playing against 3rd comp.


He was still 21 PER. Sure he could've done better but he still produced


...and many times all you ask from the third PG is to go in and be free from errors. Some teams like a spark plug off the bench (a la Nate Robinson, etc.) Others want someone to run the offense and let the other players do their work while you buy time for the starting player. I think it's good for teams to have both types of players on the bench.

I agree with that... but if you're going to be and NBA player, don't you think your should be able to DOMINATE St. Mary's conference as a 22 year old?

To put it another way, Dellavedova was a solid role-player on the Ausie national team. But Patty Mills (human victory cigar for the Spurs) was the star of that team. Delladova is only a couple years younger, and clearly worse than Mills... and Mills is a fringe NBAer as it is.

Della is interesting, and I don't have a problem with using a late 2nd rounder on him, but there's a reason he's not projected to go undrafted by a lot of people.
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Post#9 » by Winglish » Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:36 am

I agree with that... but if you're going to be and NBA player, don't you think your should be able to DOMINATE St. Mary's conference as a 22 year old?


Well, who would have a problem with that kind of thinking? You just described the spark plug type player.

My favorite team, the Jazz, has a long history of drafting guys in the second round that were not dominant types, but who played a role and fit in without making mistakes. Jeremy Evans averaged 7, 6, 9, and 10 ppg in his four years at Western Kentucky. He averaged between 5.2 and 6.7 rebounds in those same years. Not exactly a killer, right? Jeremy Evans also averaged over 60% shooting each year. He only takes good shots, plays within the flow of the offense, and has a great attitude. He doesn't get much time, but when he does Evans plays mistake-free basketball. He might not win you the game, but he sure won't lose it either.

Again, I don't know that this type of guy is worth a draft pick. A camp invite should be a sure thing for Dellavedova. He is the all-time leading scorer and assist guy in St. Mary's history. He was first team all-WCC three years straight. He has great height for a PG at 6'4". He might very well have the highest b-ball IQ in the draft, just a wonderful floor general. He'll never be an NBA starter, but if a team has other stars and just needs a guy to get them the ball and knock down open shots, a la Mario Chalmers, I personally think Dellavedova might be a good choice.
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Post#10 » by andyhop » Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:14 am

He will likely get better offers to play in Europe than those he will get to play in the NBA ,so it depends how fixated with trying to make it as an NBA player he is whether he will try to make a team.
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Post#11 » by Mlockhart » Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:33 am

He is really a long shot...There are at least 13 point guards ahead of him. He is a nice college guard, but not sure if he has the goods for the NBA.
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Post#12 » by Golabki » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:55 pm

Winglish wrote:
I agree with that... but if you're going to be and NBA player, don't you think your should be able to DOMINATE St. Mary's conference as a 22 year old?


Well, who would have a problem with that kind of thinking? You just described the spark plug type player.

My favorite team, the Jazz, has a long history of drafting guys in the second round that were not dominant types, but who played a role and fit in without making mistakes. Jeremy Evans averaged 7, 6, 9, and 10 ppg in his four years at Western Kentucky. He averaged between 5.2 and 6.7 rebounds in those same years. Not exactly a killer, right? Jeremy Evans also averaged over 60% shooting each year. He only takes good shots, plays within the flow of the offense, and has a great attitude. He doesn't get much time, but when he does Evans plays mistake-free basketball. He might not win you the game, but he sure won't lose it either.

Again, I don't know that this type of guy is worth a draft pick. A camp invite should be a sure thing for Dellavedova. He is the all-time leading scorer and assist guy in St. Mary's history. He was first team all-WCC three years straight. He has great height for a PG at 6'4". He might very well have the highest b-ball IQ in the draft, just a wonderful floor general. He'll never be an NBA starter, but if a team has other stars and just needs a guy to get them the ball and knock down open shots, a la Mario Chalmers, I personally think Dellavedova might be a good choice.

Well, if Jermey Evans is the success case, I'm not sure that says a lot for your position.

Chalmers is an interesting comp. I actually think Dellavedova is a better shooter. But Chamlers/Cole are defensive players. If I thought Delladoedova was going to be an above average defensive PG, I would be all over him... but he's slow as hell and didn't even defend that well at St. Marys.
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Post#13 » by mccluskey » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:16 pm

Golabki wrote:
Winglish wrote:
I agree with that... but if you're going to be and NBA player, don't you think your should be able to DOMINATE St. Mary's conference as a 22 year old?


Well, who would have a problem with that kind of thinking? You just described the spark plug type player.

My favorite team, the Jazz, has a long history of drafting guys in the second round that were not dominant types, but who played a role and fit in without making mistakes. Jeremy Evans averaged 7, 6, 9, and 10 ppg in his four years at Western Kentucky. He averaged between 5.2 and 6.7 rebounds in those same years. Not exactly a killer, right? Jeremy Evans also averaged over 60% shooting each year. He only takes good shots, plays within the flow of the offense, and has a great attitude. He doesn't get much time, but when he does Evans plays mistake-free basketball. He might not win you the game, but he sure won't lose it either.

Again, I don't know that this type of guy is worth a draft pick. A camp invite should be a sure thing for Dellavedova. He is the all-time leading scorer and assist guy in St. Mary's history. He was first team all-WCC three years straight. He has great height for a PG at 6'4". He might very well have the highest b-ball IQ in the draft, just a wonderful floor general. He'll never be an NBA starter, but if a team has other stars and just needs a guy to get them the ball and knock down open shots, a la Mario Chalmers, I personally think Dellavedova might be a good choice.

Well, if Jermey Evans is the success case, I'm not sure that says a lot for your position.

Chalmers is an interesting comp. I actually think Dellavedova is a better shooter. But Chamlers/Cole are defensive players. If I thought Delladoedova was going to be an above average defensive PG, I would be all over him... but he's slow as hell and didn't even defend that well at St. Marys.


agree and that's the biggest knock on him from my perspective. I'm usually in the camp that skill should be weighed more heavily than athleticism for prospects, but that only applies when a guy has at least a certain baseline of athletic ability for the next level. I also prefer offensively skilled PGs over defensive specialists at the position, but again, the guy has to have some quickness to make it work.

Dellavedova is slow as molasses and was one of the least athletic guys on the court in every college game I saw of him. As much as I like his skillset, I just have a really hard time seeing him being able to make much impact in the NBA with his lack of physical tools - I think he'd be the slowest guard in the league by a pretty fair margin.
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Post#14 » by beans-boy » Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:46 pm

mccluskey wrote:
Golabki wrote:
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Well, who would have a problem with that kind of thinking? You just described the spark plug type player.

My favorite team, the Jazz, has a long history of drafting guys in the second round that were not dominant types, but who played a role and fit in without making mistakes. Jeremy Evans averaged 7, 6, 9, and 10 ppg in his four years at Western Kentucky. He averaged between 5.2 and 6.7 rebounds in those same years. Not exactly a killer, right? Jeremy Evans also averaged over 60% shooting each year. He only takes good shots, plays within the flow of the offense, and has a great attitude. He doesn't get much time, but when he does Evans plays mistake-free basketball. He might not win you the game, but he sure won't lose it either.

Again, I don't know that this type of guy is worth a draft pick. A camp invite should be a sure thing for Dellavedova. He is the all-time leading scorer and assist guy in St. Mary's history. He was first team all-WCC three years straight. He has great height for a PG at 6'4". He might very well have the highest b-ball IQ in the draft, just a wonderful floor general. He'll never be an NBA starter, but if a team has other stars and just needs a guy to get them the ball and knock down open shots, a la Mario Chalmers, I personally think Dellavedova might be a good choice.

Well, if Jermey Evans is the success case, I'm not sure that says a lot for your position.

Chalmers is an interesting comp. I actually think Dellavedova is a better shooter. But Chamlers/Cole are defensive players. If I thought Delladoedova was going to be an above average defensive PG, I would be all over him... but he's slow as hell and didn't even defend that well at St. Marys.


agree and that's the biggest knock on him from my perspective. I'm usually in the camp that skill should be weighed more heavily than athleticism for prospects, but that only applies when a guy has at least a certain baseline of athletic ability for the next level. I also prefer offensively skilled PGs over defensive specialists at the position, but again, the guy has to have some quickness to make it work.

Dellavedova is slow as molasses and was one of the least athletic guys on the court in every college game I saw of him. As much as I like his skillset, I just have a really hard time seeing him being able to make much impact in the NBA with his lack of physical tools - I think he'd be the slowest guard in the league by a pretty fair margin.



What? His athletic testing wasn't that bad was it!?

And slower than Andre miller? Really?
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Post#15 » by crgreen » Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:23 pm

Golabki wrote:
Winglish wrote:
Golabki wrote:The big knock on Delladova is that he just wasn't an impact player in college, despite being a Sr and playing against 3rd comp.


He was still 21 PER. Sure he could've done better but he still produced


...and many times all you ask from the third PG is to go in and be free from errors. Some teams like a spark plug off the bench (a la Nate Robinson, etc.) Others want someone to run the offense and let the other players do their work while you buy time for the starting player. I think it's good for teams to have both types of players on the bench.

I agree with that... but if you're going to be and NBA player, don't you think your should be able to DOMINATE St. Mary's conference as a 22 year old?



Well, he led his team to a 28-7 record, and a 14-2 conference record in a league with #12 Gonzaga, and 24-12 BYU, and with no other pro prospects on his team. Got them 16 pts a game, 6 1/2 assists with a 2.3 AT/R. In the West Coast Conference, he was 6th in scoring, 1st in Assists. 3rd in FT%. 2nd in 3pts made. 4th in AT/R. 2nd in Minutes played. How dominant do you think he had to be?
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Post#16 » by Kayjay » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:43 pm

would you have drafted matt janning in the second round? if not, why dellavedova?
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Post#17 » by wolves_fan_82au » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:24 pm

im sure hes worth a 2nd rounder but to many teams just wanna pick the euros so they can stash them away
problem is half of them dont even wanna go to the nba
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Post#18 » by dorkestra » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:55 pm

andyhop wrote:He will likely get better offers to play in Europe than those he will get to play in the NBA ,so it depends how fixated with trying to make it as an NBA player he is whether he will try to make a team.


Agreed - I see him signing on with an international team where he can make more money and smart basketball is appreciated.
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Post#19 » by dorkestra » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:56 pm

wolves_fan_82au wrote:im sure hes worth a 2nd rounder but to many teams just wanna pick the euros so they can stash them away
problem is half of them dont even wanna go to the nba


I just noticed your signature. How come you don't have Dante Exum on there?
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Post#20 » by wolves_fan_82au » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:49 am

dorkestra wrote:
wolves_fan_82au wrote:im sure hes worth a 2nd rounder but to many teams just wanna pick the euros so they can stash them away
problem is half of them dont even wanna go to the nba


I just noticed your signature. How come you don't have Dante Exum on there?


its from about 3 years ago :P
also i think Ben Simmons will be the much better player,hes probley gonna be a big chance to go top 3
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