Tyus Jones

Mik317 · Post #61 » by **Mik317** » Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:59 pm

Mudiay isn't even that athletic and has other skills tho. He can set dudes up, has a nice dribble, can get in the paint and other stuff...this notion that he is just another short guard that jumps really high is wrong.

Post #62 » by **Marcus** » Fri Feb 27, 2015 9:09 pm

Mik317 wrote:Mudiay isn't even that athletic and has other skills tho. He can set dudes up, has a nice dribble, can get in the paint and other stuff...this notion that he is just another short guard that jumps really high is wrong.

its a hard sell to make because he played overseas so instead of just waiting to see they'd rather assumed everything good about him is false or overrated.

MotownMadness · Post #63 » by **MotownMadness** » Sun Mar 8, 2015 3:34 am

Scary moment going on for him right now. Come down hard on his tail bone pretty hard. I think it just sent a shocker up his spine or something for a minute but he might of just twisted something in that lower back or fractured that tailbone.

noobcake · Post #64 » by **noobcake** » Sun Mar 8, 2015 3:42 am

back spasm, back in game

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #65 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Sun Mar 8, 2015 3:54 am

Tyus Jones just seems like a future Laker, Celtic, or Knick, meaning he can succeed & thrive on a big stage.

Upperclass · Post #66 » by **Upperclass** » Sun Mar 8, 2015 5:16 am

Cant shake the Jordan Farmar vibe from Jones.. Dont think he's a topflight NBA guard.. just dont see it.

Post #67 » by **Marcus** » Sun Mar 8, 2015 6:08 am

Upperclass wrote:Cant shake the Jordan Farmar vibe from Jones.. Dont think he's a topflight NBA guard.. just dont see it.

Where do you see farmar in his game?

ibraheim718 · Post #68 » by **ibraheim718** » Sun Mar 8, 2015 6:17 am

Marcus wrote:
Upperclass wrote:Cant shake the Jordan Farmar vibe from Jones.. Dont think he's a topflight NBA guard.. just dont see it.

Where do you see farmar in his game?

It's just the looks.. seriously man. Jones is a much, much better passer/facilitator, he can change speeds better than Farmar, and he plays with more poise and composure. The only similarities are appearance, hair, and how they look when they're trying to finish at the bucket. That's it.

Zombiesonics · Post #69 » by **Zombiesonics** » Sun Mar 8, 2015 2:30 pm

ibraheim718 wrote:
Marcus wrote:
Upperclass wrote:Cant shake the Jordan Farmar vibe from Jones.. Dont think he's a topflight NBA guard.. just dont see it.

Where do you see farmar in his game?

It's just the looks.. seriously man. Jones is a much, much better passer/facilitator, he can change speeds better than Farmar, and he plays with more poise and composure. The only similarities are appearance, hair, and how they look when they're trying to finish at the bucket. That's it.

Farmar was bigger and more athletic and a better scorer coming out of HS. Lets not forget he was a burger boy as well, wasn't some scrub on the D1 level. Jones I would say has a better feel for the game, but his ability to finish/score is hard to project. He is a smaller size pg who doesn't have freak hops/wingspan. he sorta plays like shane larkin

doordoor123 · Post #70 » by **doordoor123** » Sun Mar 8, 2015 2:39 pm

Zombiesonics wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
Marcus wrote:
Where do you see farmar in his game?

It's just the looks.. seriously man. Jones is a much, much better passer/facilitator, he can change speeds better than Farmar, and he plays with more poise and composure. The only similarities are appearance, hair, and how they look when they're trying to finish at the bucket. That's it.

Farmar was bigger and more athletic and a better scorer coming out of HS. Lets not forget he was a burger boy as well, wasn't some scrub on the D1 level. Jones I would say has a better feel for the game, but his ability to finish/score is hard to project. He is a smaller size pg who doesn't have freak hops/wingspan. he sorta plays like shane larkin

Uh Shane was one of the most athletic players of his class. He pretty much only plays with his athleticism and pick&roll. He's nothing like Larkin or Farmar. He compares well to Trey Burke at the pro level. Look, to be a point guard in the league, you need one of two things: to either 1) finish at the rim or 2) be able to hit three point shots. Trey Burke can't finish at the rim and has to use his three point shot and passing to get anything done. He needs to learn to make three pointers.

Zombiesonics · Post #71 » by **Zombiesonics** » Sun Mar 8, 2015 2:51 pm

doordoor123 wrote:
Zombiesonics wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
It's just the looks.. seriously man. Jones is a much, much better passer/facilitator, he can change speeds better than Farmar, and he plays with more poise and composure. The only similarities are appearance, hair, and how they look when they're trying to finish at the bucket. That's it.

Farmar was bigger and more athletic and a better scorer coming out of HS. Lets not forget he was a burger boy as well, wasn't some scrub on the D1 level. Jones I would say has a better feel for the game, but his ability to finish/score is hard to project. He is a smaller size pg who doesn't have freak hops/wingspan. he sorta plays like shane larkin

Uh Shane was one of the most athletic players of his class. He pretty much only plays with his athleticism and pick&roll. He's nothing like Larkin or Farmar. He compares well to Trey Burke at the pro level. Look, to be a point guard in the league, you need one of two things: to either 1) finish at the rim or 2) be able to hit three point shots. Trey Burke can't finish at the rim and has to use his three point shot and passing to get anything done. He needs to learn to make three pointers.

well shane still stinks at finishing the paint in the league. their floor games project similarly IMO

EricAnderson · Post #72 » by **EricAnderson** » Sun Mar 8, 2015 3:30 pm

I like the Conley comparisons

mattg · Post #73 » by **mattg** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 3:26 am

Zombiesonics wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
Marcus wrote:
Where do you see farmar in his game?

It's just the looks.. seriously man. Jones is a much, much better passer/facilitator, he can change speeds better than Farmar, and he plays with more poise and composure. The only similarities are appearance, hair, and how they look when they're trying to finish at the bucket. That's it.

Farmar was bigger and more athletic and a better scorer coming out of HS. Lets not forget he was a burger boy as well, wasn't some scrub on the D1 level. Jones I would say has a better feel for the game, but his ability to finish/score is hard to project. He is a smaller size pg who doesn't have freak hops/wingspan. he sorta plays like shane larkin

Let's just compare players to who they have the most similar skin tone to.

Pass it · Post #74 » by **Pass it** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 3:39 am

This kid is an underrated prospect because of his physical tools.

Whoever drafts him will be getting a steal of a pick.

AQuintus · Post #75 » by **AQuintus** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 4:08 am

EricAnderson wrote:I like the Conley comparisons

Conley is a much better athlete, but their playing styles are similar.

RSCD3_ · Post #76 » by **RSCD3_** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 4:11 am

AQuintus wrote:
EricAnderson wrote:I like the Conley comparisons

Conley is a much better athlete, but their playing styles are similar.

I wouldnt say much better, conley has more muscle but Tyus is a quick, feisty guy.

AQuintus · Post #77 » by **AQuintus** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 4:13 am

RSCD3_ wrote:I wouldnt say much better, conley has more muscle but Tyus is a quick, feisty guy.

Conley is faster and has a 40+ inch vertical.

E-Balla · Post #78 » by **E-Balla** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 4:26 am

AQuintus wrote:
RSCD3_ wrote:I wouldnt say much better, conley has more muscle but Tyus is a quick, feisty guy.

Conley is faster and has a 40+ inch vertical.

Conley is a racecar to Tyus' buggy. Mike is a super athlete.

nickforthreee · Post #79 » by **nickforthreee** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 4:36 am

don't think he's a starter in the NBA, but I think he could be a very good backup in the league.

Notanoob · Post #80 » by **Notanoob** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 4:48 am

Comparing him to Trey Burke, just on stats, you can see the similarities.
Per40 pace adjusted
Burke: 1.9 steals, .6 blocks, .6 offensive rebounds, 3.1 defensive rebounds
Jones: 1.8 steals, .1 blocks, .6 offensive rebounds, 3.5 defensive rebounds
Burke comes out ahead here due to his big advantage in blocks and marginally better steal rate. The first three stats are typically indicators of a player's athleticism, and both of these guys are a bit lacking obviously.

Then looking at percentages and stuff:
Burke: 50.3 2P%, 38.3 3P%, 3.11A/TO, .459FTA/2PA, 64.5 FG% at rim, 45.5 FG% on 2P not at rim
Jones: 44 2P%, 37.4 3P%, 2.78A.TO, .816FTA/2PA, 55.8 FG% at rim, 35.4 FG% on 2P not at rim
Burke is far ahead of Jones here in everything except FTA/2PA, and roughly equal in 3P%. Jones' finishing is pretty bad. Given how much Burke has struggled that's bad news for Jones.

Jones' better FTA/2PA can be explained by their shot distribution. Looking at hoop-math.com, Burke took a tiny 19% of his shots at the rim, and 45% of his shots were non-rim 2s. Shots near the rim are much more likely to draw fouls than non-rim looks, and it's already clear the Burke was relying on his jumper in college. Jones on the other hand takes 24.8% of his shot at the rim while just 36.3% of his shots are 2 pointers not at the rim. When he goes inside the ark, Jones makes it all the way to the rim more often, so he's drawing fouls a lot better.

Jones' TS% was just one point higher than Burke's at 58% despite shooting worse across the board- this is because he relied so heavily on 3s and drew so many fouls. However, Burke also carried a significantly higher scoring load compared to Jones, being his team's #1 option, while Jones is just 4th on his team in terms of FGA.

At Utah, Burke has sort of moved off ball into the SG role, basically giving up on trying to score at the rim and just shooting jumpers. His ability to be a floor-general hasn't translated because he's such a weak threat as a slasher. Of course, looking back it's obvious that getting to the rim wasn't a huge part of Burke's game in the first place so it's no wonder he abandoned it quickly, but at least he packed a solid mid-rage game. Slashing is a fairly small part of Jones' game too, and that certainly has something to do with giving room for Okafor to operate, but it has to be a concern for him in the NBA. Plus he hasn't shown much of a mid-range game at all to back it up.