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Re: Jordan Adams

Posted: Tue May 6, 2014 3:30 am
by Golabki
James Harden was a two year SG who was REALLY good in college. People called him a bad athlete because he looked kind of doughy and had a weird game, despite the fact that Harden killed in the combine.

Adams isn't as good as Harden was, but I think there are similarities. Adams is a big, long SG that could dribble/pass/shoot at a high level as an underclassmen. Players that can do that are rare. I think he's a guy who's getting very underrated.

Re: Jordan Adams

Posted: Tue May 6, 2014 4:04 am
by ManualRam
Golabki wrote:James Harden was a two year SG who was REALLY good in college. People called him a bad athlete because he looked kind of doughy and had a weird game, despite the fact that Harden killed in the combine.

Adams isn't as good as Harden was, but I think there are similarities. Adams is a big, long SG that could dribble/pass/shoot at a high level as an underclassmen. Players that can do that are rare. I think he's a guy who's getting very underrated.


how good of a ball-handler is adams? good enough to be a 2ndary ball-handler? certainly not enough to be a primary one, even at the college level. how good of a playmaker/passer is he? his shooting profile doesn't exactly scream pure shooter either.
he's just kinda blah.

Re: Jordan Adams

Posted: Tue May 6, 2014 5:39 am
by Orlwillbeback
harden is a bad comp, adams will not handle the ball much in the pros but will still get his 15, just like matthews.

Re: Jordan Adams

Posted: Tue May 6, 2014 10:39 am
by doordoor123
Orlwillbeback wrote:harden is a bad comp, adams will not handle the ball much in the pros but will still get his 15, just like matthews.


And like Matthews, he'll probably spend his first season in the D-league. I don't really have high hopes for Adams. He's a role-player at best. He won't take too many shots and doesn't have the confidence to be a top three scorer on an NBA team. With his lack of athleticism and his 'relaxed' style of play, best case scenario, he should be a role-player. At least for his first two or three years. Then maybe he'll adapt to the NBA's mindset.

Re: Jordan Adams

Posted: Tue May 6, 2014 12:45 pm
by Agnostifarian
ManualRam wrote:
Fischella wrote:I don't remember Ram, which were your thoughts regarding Carter-Williams? am yeah, I'm linking it with the steal rate

in what way? i wasn't a fan. i thought he was an instinctual, aggressive player, confident but played too much out of control. i thought that his supreme confidence led to erratic decision making and irrational confidence as a scorer/shooter, often driving into the lane with no plan, throwing bailout passes. he had the makings of a defensive playmaker though with his activity and size for the point.
i'm not sure what he learned this yr playing the type of basketball that the 6ers did. it was a style that kinda reinforced bad habits on both ends.


Nice try but you're not describing MCW or his development this year. Perhaps you didn't watch him play. If you did and you didn't learn anything about his game, then shame on you! At some point, you have to believe your eyes.

Re: Jordan Adams

Posted: Tue May 6, 2014 12:50 pm
by ManualRam
Agnostifarian wrote:
ManualRam wrote:
Fischella wrote:I don't remember Ram, which were your thoughts regarding Carter-Williams? am yeah, I'm linking it with the steal rate

in what way? i wasn't a fan. i thought he was an instinctual, aggressive player, confident but played too much out of control. i thought that his supreme confidence led to erratic decision making and irrational confidence as a scorer/shooter, often driving into the lane with no plan, throwing bailout passes. he had the makings of a defensive playmaker though with his activity and size for the point.
i'm not sure what he learned this yr playing the type of basketball that the 6ers did. it was a style that kinda reinforced bad habits on both ends.


Nice try but you're not describing MCW or his development this year. Perhaps you didn't watch him play. If you did and you didn't learn anything about his game, then shame on you! At some point, you have to believe your eyes.

i was describing what i thought of him as a prospect.
fwiw, i did watch him play for the 6ers too and i still don't care much for his game.

Re: Jordan Adams

Posted: Tue May 6, 2014 1:06 pm
by EvanZ
doordoor123 wrote:
Orlwillbeback wrote:harden is a bad comp, adams will not handle the ball much in the pros but will still get his 15, just like matthews.


And like Matthews, he'll probably spend his first season in the D-league. I don't really have high hopes for Adams. He's a role-player at best. He won't take too many shots and doesn't have the confidence to be a top three scorer on an NBA team. With his lack of athleticism and his 'relaxed' style of play, best case scenario, he should be a role-player. At least for his first two or three years. Then maybe he'll adapt to the NBA's mindset.


Yet you think Jimmer is an All-Star. :banghead:

Re: Jordan Adams

Posted: Tue May 6, 2014 4:30 pm
by Jazzfan12
doordoor123 wrote:
Orlwillbeback wrote:harden is a bad comp, adams will not handle the ball much in the pros but will still get his 15, just like matthews.


And like Matthews, he'll probably spend his first season in the D-league. I don't really have high hopes for Adams. He's a role-player at best. He won't take too many shots and doesn't have the confidence to be a top three scorer on an NBA team. With his lack of athleticism and his 'relaxed' style of play, best case scenario, he should be a role-player. At least for his first two or three years. Then maybe he'll adapt to the NBA's mindset.


Wesley Matthews never played in the D-League and started on a second round playoff team in his first year, :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Jordan Adams

Posted: Tue May 6, 2014 7:24 pm
by Mik317
Agnostifarian wrote:
ManualRam wrote:
Fischella wrote:I don't remember Ram, which were your thoughts regarding Carter-Williams? am yeah, I'm linking it with the steal rate

in what way? i wasn't a fan. i thought he was an instinctual, aggressive player, confident but played too much out of control. i thought that his supreme confidence led to erratic decision making and irrational confidence as a scorer/shooter, often driving into the lane with no plan, throwing bailout passes. he had the makings of a defensive playmaker though with his activity and size for the point.
i'm not sure what he learned this yr playing the type of basketball that the 6ers did. it was a style that kinda reinforced bad habits on both ends.


Nice try but you're not describing MCW or his development this year. Perhaps you didn't watch him play. If you did and you didn't learn anything about his game, then shame on you! At some point, you have to believe your eyes.


You need to just stop defending MCW. As his detractors (I was one BTW..so I get it) are never ever ever going to admit that perhaps they were wrong and also it is still very early. His play in April is a hopefully a sign of things to come plus as we add more pieces, the game will become easier for him...but until then those who thought he would be out of the league or something will always point to the flaws (bu-but dat % doe, dat pace yo, they didn't win son) which all of which are legit for sure....

maybe if he builds on his quick start then will some change their view but people of realgm don't like to admit they were wrong...no matter what. I am sure if he falls on his face next year the ywill be quick to beat their chest thoi

Re: Jordan Adams

Posted: Wed May 7, 2014 12:24 am
by Golabki
ManualRam wrote:
Golabki wrote:James Harden was a two year SG who was REALLY good in college. People called him a bad athlete because he looked kind of doughy and had a weird game, despite the fact that Harden killed in the combine.

Adams isn't as good as Harden was, but I think there are similarities. Adams is a big, long SG that could dribble/pass/shoot at a high level as an underclassmen. Players that can do that are rare. I think he's a guy who's getting very underrated.


how good of a ball-handler is adams? good enough to be a 2ndary ball-handler? certainly not enough to be a primary one, even at the college level. how good of a playmaker/passer is he? his shooting profile doesn't exactly scream pure shooter either.
he's just kinda blah.

I agree he isn't as good as a guy like Harden, but that's a high bar. I do not think there aren't a lot of underclassmen at his size with his level of shoot/handle/pass skill.

I'm looking at this and saying it's good that he's pretty good at everything.

You look at this and say it's bad that he's not great at anything.

In general I favor the multifaceted guys over the college specialists.

Re: Jordan Adams

Posted: Wed May 7, 2014 12:27 am
by Golabki
Orlwillbeback wrote:harden is a bad comp, adams will not handle the ball much in the pros but will still get his 15, just like matthews.

To be clear, I know Adams isn't as good as Harden was in college and won't be as good a pro.

Re: Jordan Adams

Posted: Wed May 7, 2014 2:45 am
by ManualRam
being a jack of all trades is fine, but i still think that at least 1 of those attributes has to stand out so that the player can find his niche. if the player looks average across the board offensively at least he could hang his hat on defense or athleticism. adams isn't a good defender and i think he projects to be a below average athlete in the nba.

Re: Jordan Adams

Posted: Wed May 7, 2014 11:30 am
by Ruzious
Well, at 19 years old, he was a tremendous combination of production and efficiency - improving off of a very good freshman year. And he's got excellent size and strength for his position. At some point, performance becomes a better guide than a perceived and untested lack of athleticism.

Re: Jordan Adams

Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:17 am
by EvanZ
EvanZ wrote:Adams is not in NBA shape. Just like Kevin Love wasn't in NBA shape. Once a team gets him in a program, Adams will suddenly become a much better athlete.

That's why he has even more upside than people think.


Lo and behold:

While Adams has average size for a two-guard at 6-4 ¾ in shoes, he impressed with a 6-10 wingspan and most notably a much slimmer body at 209 pounds, down from 230 pounds. Maintaining that weight is very important for Adams, who is already a bit behind the eight-ball athletically. Although much different players, Adams' measurable compared well to 2013 draftee Victor Oladipo, who measured at 6-4 ¼ and 213 pounds with a 6-9 ¼ wingspan.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz31qgdbTeG
http://www.draftexpress.com


Gee, who could have saw that coming? lol :lol: Didn't even have to wait until he got drafted for it to happen.

Re: Jordan Adams

Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 1:46 pm
by LofJ
I really like Adams. I was afraid of drafting him at #24 because of his weight concerns, but now that he has addressed that and measured out well at the combine I hope we take him if he is still on the board.

Re: Jordan Adams

Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 7:29 pm
by ManualRam
adams tested out horribly. at least he isn't fat though.

Re: Jordan Adams

Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 7:55 pm
by miltk
i haven't watched the whole combines, but someone on a bruin board said adams has passed zach and is slotted at 25, and zach 30. i infered that it meant adams passed zach DURING the combines, which sounds weird given all they talk about is zach's numbers.

did something happen in the combines or are they still worried about zach's poor performance during the season?

Re: Jordan Adams

Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 9:30 pm
by ManualRam
miltk wrote:i haven't watched the whole combines, but someone on a bruin board said adams has passed zach and is slotted at 25, and zach 30. i infered that it meant adams passed zach DURING the combines, which sounds weird given all they talk about is zach's numbers.

did something happen in the combines or are they still worried about zach's poor performance during the season?

im guessing they just looked at DXs mock. that's exactly where they have them.

Re: Jordan Adams

Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 3:18 am
by Orlwillbeback
yea the combine probably hurt adams stock more than any other player. That just means he'll be a steal for whever gets him now.

Re: Jordan Adams

Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 4:39 am
by nickforthreee
Orlwillbeback wrote:yea the combine probably hurt adams stock more than any other player. That just means he'll be a steal for whever gets him now.


I don't really understand why? We all knew he couldn't jump that shouldn't be a suprise. I think the fact that he slimmed down should have more of an impact than his vert.