Future draft classes

Draft talk all year round

Moderators: Marcus, Ruzious

nolang1
Analyst
Posts: 3,042
And1: 1,426
Joined: Aug 03, 2012

Re: Future draft classes 

Post#1741 » by nolang1 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:49 pm

EricAnderson wrote:Does anyone have a feel yet for the top 21’ guys?

Kuminga Clark Baldwin Holmgren


I like Kuminga the best, think he'll go into the draft as the best two-way wing prospect since at least Tatum. He needs to keep improving his shot, but it's not busted and he's physical enough that he'll be able to play 4 quite a bit. Clarke is pretty old (a year and a month older than Kuminga) and I'd bet on him reclassifying eventually. Baldwin is about guaranteed to have a 10+ year NBA career as a 6'8 wing who can really shoot, but he's more of a finesse player and not too explosive so I have a hard time seeing him as a future #1 offensive option. Holmgren will get Bol Bol comparisons as an anemically skinny shot-blocking three-point shooter and at least plays with more of an edge to make up for being not quite as tall and long as Bol.

The two 2021 players who looked the best during FIBA U16s were Jabari Smith and AJ Griffin. I wrote about them both earlier in the page, but Smith in particular belongs right up there with the players you mentioned; he kind of splits the difference between Kuminga's defensive versatility and Baldwin's shooting.
crows2
Sophomore
Posts: 166
And1: 110
Joined: Apr 01, 2015

Re: Future draft classes 

Post#1742 » by crows2 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:03 am

EricAnderson wrote:Does anyone have a feel yet for the top 21’ guys?

Kuminga Clark Baldwin Holmgren


Here’s a look at the top 2021 performers in the EYBL. Banchero and Hardy have been impressive.

https://www.d1circuit.com/news_article/show/1031815
Eskobar13
Starter
Posts: 2,008
And1: 1,286
Joined: Jan 02, 2018
   

Re: Future draft classes 

Post#1743 » by Eskobar13 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:50 am

http://www.fiba.basketball/news/fiba-is-streaming-818-games-live-and-free-from-across-europe-this-summer

Just a heads up - FIBA will be streaming every game of their european summer events. Not sure it's accessible in the outside Europe, but that's probably an easy work around with a proxy/vpn.
User avatar
Curtis Lemansky
Forum Mod
Forum Mod
Posts: 5,060
And1: 139
Joined: Feb 12, 2005
Location: Istanbul

Re: Future draft classes 

Post#1744 » by Curtis Lemansky » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:42 am

how is 2020 draft looking in terms of star power / depth?

Sent from my SNE-LX1 using RealGM mobile app
"I don't step aside, I step up." - Vic Mackey
"My name is my name" - Marlo Stanfield
"If you come at the king, you best not miss" - Omar Little

Formerly known as nostradamus2005
splendidham
Sophomore
Posts: 233
And1: 36
Joined: Jun 23, 2008

Re: Future draft classes 

Post#1745 » by splendidham » Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:12 pm

GimmeDat wrote:Australia's u19 would've been a lot of fun if they brought in any of their US based talent - Makur Maker, Josh Green, and Jayden Stone, namely.

Unfortunately the best we can put out there is Froling and Wigness and that only got us so far.


Pity we couldn’t get Mojave in playing with us, too. Hopefully sometime soon


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
User avatar
GimmeDat
Forum Mod - Bulls
Forum Mod - Bulls
Posts: 22,995
And1: 15,670
Joined: Sep 27, 2013
Location: Australia
 

Re: Future draft classes 

Post#1746 » by GimmeDat » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:43 pm

splendidham wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:Australia's u19 would've been a lot of fun if they brought in any of their US based talent - Makur Maker, Josh Green, and Jayden Stone, namely.

Unfortunately the best we can put out there is Froling and Wigness and that only got us so far.


Pity we couldn’t get Mojave in playing with us, too. Hopefully sometime soon


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk


Yeah hopefully his citizenship stuff gets worked out asap. Don't want a Chima Moneke situation.

I watched Mojave last night playing for NBA Academy, absolutely dominated.
TYO23
Ballboy
Posts: 29
And1: 12
Joined: Apr 11, 2009

Re: Future draft classes 

Post#1747 » by TYO23 » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:34 am

I saw all over twitter that Kuminga outplayed Jalen Johnson and Baldwin Jr yesterday in a head to head matchup at peach jam.
splendidham
Sophomore
Posts: 233
And1: 36
Joined: Jun 23, 2008

Re: Future draft classes 

Post#1748 » by splendidham » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:22 am

GimmeDat wrote:
splendidham wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:Australia's u19 would've been a lot of fun if they brought in any of their US based talent - Makur Maker, Josh Green, and Jayden Stone, namely.

Unfortunately the best we can put out there is Froling and Wigness and that only got us so far.


Pity we couldn’t get Mojave in playing with us, too. Hopefully sometime soon


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk


Yeah hopefully his citizenship stuff gets worked out asap. Don't want a Chima Moneke situation.

I watched Mojave last night playing for NBA Academy, absolutely dominated.


As did I. His athleticism really pops. Really quick. His shot in the first game looked pretty off honestly but last night it looked nice.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
EricAnderson
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,828
And1: 1,288
Joined: May 28, 2008

Re: Future draft classes 

Post#1749 » by EricAnderson » Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:26 pm

Correct me if I’m wrong I don’t see many hs games I’m just going by what I see on social media and websites from people who cover this for a living but there seems to be a lack of elite potentially franchise changing players in HS.

From the sounds of it the only one with that type of potential currently is Emoni Bates
User avatar
ejftw
Analyst
Posts: 3,457
And1: 513
Joined: Nov 30, 2008
Contact:
         

Re: Future draft classes 

Post#1750 » by ejftw » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:33 am

Class of '21 guys I've seen more than a handful of times, in person/live games: Devin Askew, Jaden Hardy, Paolo Banchero, Nathan Bittle, Isa Silva, Peyton Watson, DaRon Holmes, Reese Dixon, TyTy Washington, AJ Burgin, Jahmai Mashack, Malik Thomas, Wilhelm Breidnbach, Tyler Powell, TJ Wainwright, Shaqir O'Neal, Harrison Hornery & Frankie Collins.

Really believe Askew is vastly underrated, he's a true point guard that can flip the switch whenever needed.

Malik Thomas is a good utility guy as well, doesn't really have any major holes in his game.

AJ Burgin is one of my favorites to watch. Dude really LOVES to lock his opponent down.

TJ Wainwright has a sweet shot.
Knickfan1982 wrote:Jordan isn't that much of an upgrade over Robin Lopez.
User avatar
ejftw
Analyst
Posts: 3,457
And1: 513
Joined: Nov 30, 2008
Contact:
         

Re: Future draft classes 

Post#1751 » by ejftw » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:38 am

Curtis Lemansky wrote:how is 2020 draft looking in terms of star power / depth?

Sent from my SNE-LX1 using RealGM mobile app


As of now, no one really stands out to me as a huge franchise changer. Wiseman/Edwards/RJ/Anthony are the guys with the highest ceilings, I'd say as of now.

Plenty of potential solid depth as well, guys like Juzang, Josh Green, Lewis, Mobley, Carey, McDaniels and Mannion are expected to be mid to late teens.
Knickfan1982 wrote:Jordan isn't that much of an upgrade over Robin Lopez.
User avatar
GimmeDat
Forum Mod - Bulls
Forum Mod - Bulls
Posts: 22,995
And1: 15,670
Joined: Sep 27, 2013
Location: Australia
 

Re: Future draft classes 

Post#1752 » by GimmeDat » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:00 am

A couple of Australian names I'm tracking (they're usually the only guys I follow intently of future draft classes so I usually stick to talking about them) -

If anyone's wondering who I was talking about above - Mojave King is unanimously being considered the #1 prospect out of the NBA Academy games that just wrapped up. Per 247/Evan Daniels he's "made it clear over the last year he's one of the world's top 2021 prospects".

I don't know exactly how high he projects to be in 2021 but to me he's probably the best Australian prospect I've seen outside of Josh Green/Makur Maker. Seen him listed anywhere from 6'4 to 6'6, my understanding is the wingspans a few inches bigger than the height, but he's a great athlete both vertically and speed wise, and a really blistering 3 point shooter. High IQ/plays hard. Just how high the upside is depends on the creation stuff, he's only 16 right now and haven't seen much advanced initiator stuff just yet.

Other guy worth tracking is Josh Giddey, came out of nowhere and is getting some NBA potential buzz, I know people over here really love him. PG with great feel/passing who recently shot up to 6'7.

There's one more, mentioned him before here, Tamuri Wigness, just a super dynamic on ball scorer/passer, great handle and insane speed. 17 years old, just played U19 FIBA, will play U17 Oceania next month along with Giddey. If he has a growth spurt he's a sure-fire NBA guy imo, as it stands right now he's 5'11 or so though and obviously will have to be elite to crack the league at that height. He's likely playing in the NBL next season so might get to see him go against LaMelo/RJ and co.
User avatar
DirtyDez
Suns Forum College Scout
Posts: 15,242
And1: 4,669
Joined: Jun 25, 2009
Location: the Arizona desert

Re: Future draft classes 

Post#1753 » by DirtyDez » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:01 am

Better prospect at the same age Mobley or Ayton at the same age?
fromthetop321 wrote:I got Lebron number 1, he is also leading defensive player of the year. Curry's game still reminds me of Jeremy Lin to much.
King Ken
General Manager
Posts: 7,786
And1: 4,548
Joined: Jul 01, 2014
   

Re: Future draft classes 

Post#1754 » by King Ken » Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:02 am

DirtyDez wrote:Better prospect at the same age Mobley or Ayton at the same age?

Mobley, Ayton made significant strides at Arizona but in HS, Mobley.
Justwar
Rookie
Posts: 1,025
And1: 178
Joined: Jul 01, 2003
Location: Kentucky
Contact:

Re: Future draft classes 

Post#1755 » by Justwar » Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:55 pm

Ayton is the better player. Mobley is way overrated
User avatar
The-Power
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,625
And1: 4,611
Joined: Jan 03, 2014
Location: Germany
   

Re: Future draft classes 

Post#1756 » by The-Power » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:20 pm

EricAnderson wrote:Correct me if I’m wrong I don’t see many hs games I’m just going by what I see on social media and websites from people who cover this for a living but there seems to be a lack of elite potentially franchise changing players in HS.

From the sounds of it the only one with that type of potential currently is Emoni Bates

Don't buy into that. Which players are truly franchise-changing is for the most part impossible to predict that early. Look at the last ten years and which players have truly changed their franchise(s).

That would be Curry, Harden, Leonard, Davis (in terms of talent at least), Lillard, Giannis, Embiid and Jokic. Some others are debatable and some others can still get there but that would be a rough list. How many of them would have been labeled ‘elite potentially franchise changing players’ a couple years before the draft?

Return to NBA Draft