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Post#21 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu May 18, 2017 6:28 am

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grubs10 wrote:Thoughts on Jayson Tatum's pro potential/comparison?

he's a good all-around player and he's drawn comparisons to shaun livingston, but i don't see it. he wants to be a tall point, but i could see him outgrowing that position soon and i don't think he's quick enough to defend that position. livingston was much quicker in HS, was a better ball-handler/passer and he wasn't as much of a shooter/scorer that tatum is. i don't get the comparison at all. he's listed at 6'7 but looks taller than that now. i think he's more comparable to a steve smith stylistically and in terms of athleticism.

he's got a lot of buzz right now and rightfully so. he's well-rounded with a mature game, but i think his spot in the top 4-5 of his class is tenuous (i could see dennis smith jr taking his spot) because he's not that great of an athlete. he lacks quickness and has a naturally thin build too.

I think Tatum might be the best in this draft when all is said and done.

He and Josh Jackson are excellent prospects at SF, to state the obvious.

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Re: Josh Jackson (Class of 2016) 

Post#22 » by 76ciology » Fri May 19, 2017 5:44 pm

What's with the ridiculously low standing reach of 8'3"
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Re: Josh Jackson (Class of 2016) 

Post#23 » by nolang1 » Fri May 19, 2017 7:03 pm

76ciology wrote:What's with the ridiculously low standing reach of 8'3"


It's obviously off. A lot of times you see players or programs mess around with standing reach measurement to make the vertical leap seem higher.
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Post#24 » by atlantabbq99 » Sat May 20, 2017 2:06 pm

It's hard to peg Jackson just from watching one year of college ball. I'm reluctant to say he is another Wiggins or Kawhi or Paul George. Jackson's PG skill for a 6'8 player is pretty good though. Jackson is your typical highly ranked prospect, ultra athletic, lanky SF in this year's draft. With that said, i think Josh Jackson will be as good as Andre Iguodala, with a 10% chance of being as good as Kawhi or Paul George.
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Re: Josh Jackson (Class of 2016) 

Post#25 » by Marcus » Mon May 22, 2017 11:45 pm

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76ciology wrote:What's with the ridiculously low standing reach of 8'3"


It's obviously off. A lot of times you see players or programs mess around with standing reach measurement to make the vertical leap seem higher.


Wasn't that the case with Pat Connaughton a few years ago?
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Re: Josh Jackson (Class of 2016) 

Post#26 » by nolang1 » Mon May 22, 2017 11:51 pm

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nolang1 wrote:
76ciology wrote:What's with the ridiculously low standing reach of 8'3"


It's obviously off. A lot of times you see players or programs mess around with standing reach measurement to make the vertical leap seem higher.


Wasn't that the case with Pat Connaughton a few years ago?


Haha I just looked that up. Holy crap, that's even more ridiculous. I'm 6'3, don't have a freakish wingspan by any means and apparently have a higher standing reach than both of these players.
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Re: Josh Jackson (Class of 2016) 

Post#27 » by EvanZ » Tue May 23, 2017 12:34 am

Harrison Barnes also tanked his standing reach to get a few more inches on his max vert. It's a dumb practice. They ain't fooling nobody, and I'd say reach is a more important measurement anyway.
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Post#29 » by Big_C_KU » Tue May 23, 2017 6:21 pm

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doordoor123 wrote:http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article152020052.html

I don't think teams will overlook this.


Why would this really concern them? The punishment is pretty standard for a vandalism case that involved alcohol.
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Re: Josh Jackson (Class of 2016) 

Post#30 » by CptCrunch » Tue May 23, 2017 6:41 pm

doordoor123 wrote:http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article152020052.html

I don't think teams will overlook this.


http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article136353108.html

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Re: Josh Jackson (Class of 2016) 

Post#31 » by wickerhd » Tue May 23, 2017 10:15 pm

The sentence will definitely raise red flags in front offices. Character always counts, especially because these young millionaires have so much time and on their hands. Could just be a youthful indiscretion, but it sounds like a pretty violent reaction to a woman throwing a drink into someone else's face!


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Re: Josh Jackson (Class of 2016) 

Post#32 » by Big_C_KU » Tue May 23, 2017 11:41 pm

wickerhd wrote:The sentence will definitely raise red flags in front offices. Character always counts, especially because these young millionaires have so much time and on their hands. Could just be a youthful indiscretion, but it sounds like a pretty violent reaction to a woman throwing a drink into someone else's face!


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There's a lot more to the story than what's been put out by media outlets let's just say that. All that's really been heard is the father's accounts of the story through one media outlet. His daughters accounts of the incident weren't even backed up by her female friends that were with her that night. The only thing agreed upon by all accounts was the girl threw a drink in Jackson's teammates face and Jackson kicked her car. There have been reports of other things that happened that the girl did that escalated the incident after it had happened.
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Re: Josh Jackson (Class of 2016) 

Post#33 » by Damkac » Mon Jun 5, 2017 8:27 am

Do you think Josh Jackson will be able to guard Durant or Kawhi in the near future?
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Post#34 » by XXBKXX » Mon Jun 5, 2017 1:36 pm

Damkac wrote:Do you think Josh Jackson will be able to guard Durant or Kawhi in the near future?

To me, the JJ/Wiggins comparisons are fair. Surprisingly, JJ beats Wiggins in almost every category coming out of college. JJ dropping two a number three pick just shows how deep this draft is and how much teams value combo pgs nowadays.

You just don't find top notch athleticism mixed with overall skills with this much offensive upside in JJ. I want my Lakers to pick JJ as I think he will win the ROTY next year and has the mental toughness to be an alpha star in this league.

Wiggins was picked first in a draft class regarded as the deepest class since Bron/wade. This draft class has a chance to beat them imo. With that said , it's interesting to compare the two stats coming out of college to get a baseline on how good JJ potential really is.


Rebounding

Jackson Wiggins
7.4 RPG 5.9
8.7 ORB% 8.4
17.4 DRB% 12.3
13.3 TRB% 10.4

Jackson was a much better passer:

Jackson Wiggins
3.0 APG 1.5
18.2 AST% 9.2

Jackson was better at getting blocks and steals:

Jackson Wiggins
1.7 SPG 1.2
3.1 STL% 2.1
1.1 BPG 1.0
3.5 BLK% 3.1

Overall, Jackson was a more efficient scorer. Wiggins' only advantage came at the free throw line (hence the slight advantage in TS%):

Jackson Wiggins
16.3 PPG 17.1
.513 FG% .448
.378 3P% .341
.566 FT% .775
.552 eFG% .499
.559 TS% .563

JJ's advanced metrics are for the most part better than wiggins:

Jackson Wiggins
24.1 PER 21.4
2.7 OWS 3.2
2.2 DWS 1.7
4.9 WS 4.9
.180 WS40 .170
5.1 OBPM 5.45
.7 DBPM 3.0
10.7 BPM 8.5
110.7 ORtg 116.1
96 DRtg 102.8
14.7 Net Rating 13.3

JJ played on a vastly superior team, but they had similar workloads:

Jackson Wiggins
30.8 MPG 32.8
27.2 USG% 26.3
12.3 FGA 12.1
4.9 FTA 6.5

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Re: RE: Re: Josh Jackson (Class of 2016) 

Post#35 » by XXBKXX » Mon Jun 5, 2017 1:36 pm

Damkac wrote:Do you think Josh Jackson will be able to guard Durant or Kawhi in the near future?

To me, the JJ/Wiggins comparisons are fair. Surprisingly, JJ beats Wiggins in almost every category coming out of college. JJ dropping two a number three pick just shows how deep this draft is and how much teams value combo pgs nowadays.

You just don't find top notch athleticism mixed with overall skills with this much offensive upside in JJ. I want my Lakers to pick JJ as I think he will win the ROTY next year and has the mental toughness to be an alpha star in this league.

Wiggins was picked first in a draft class regarded as the deepest class since Bron/wade. This draft class has a chance to beat them imo. With that said , it's interesting to compare the two stats coming out of college to get a baseline on how good JJ potential really is.


Rebounding

Jackson Wiggins
7.4 RPG 5.9
8.7 ORB% 8.4
17.4 DRB% 12.3
13.3 TRB% 10.4

Jackson was a much better passer:

Jackson Wiggins
3.0 APG 1.5
18.2 AST% 9.2

Jackson was better at getting blocks and steals:

Jackson Wiggins
1.7 SPG 1.2
3.1 STL% 2.1
1.1 BPG 1.0
3.5 BLK% 3.1

Overall, Jackson was a more efficient scorer. Wiggins' only advantage came at the free throw line (hence the slight advantage in TS%):

Jackson Wiggins
16.3 PPG 17.1
.513 FG% .448
.378 3P% .341
.566 FT% .775
.552 eFG% .499
.559 TS% .563

JJ's advanced metrics are for the most part better than wiggins:

Jackson Wiggins
24.1 PER 21.4
2.7 OWS 3.2
2.2 DWS 1.7
4.9 WS 4.9
.180 WS40 .170
5.1 OBPM 5.45
.7 DBPM 3.0
10.7 BPM 8.5
110.7 ORtg 116.1
96 DRtg 102.8
14.7 Net Rating 13.3

JJ played on a vastly superior team, but they had similar workloads:

Jackson Wiggins
30.8 MPG 32.8
27.2 USG% 26.3
12.3 FGA 12.1
4.9 FTA 6.5

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Re: RE: Re: Josh Jackson (Class of 2016) 

Post#36 » by XXBKXX » Mon Jun 5, 2017 1:36 pm

Damkac wrote:Do you think Josh Jackson will be able to guard Durant or Kawhi in the near future?

To me, the JJ/Wiggins comparisons are fair. Surprisingly, JJ beats Wiggins in almost every category coming out of college. JJ dropping two a number three pick just shows how deep this draft is and how much teams value combo pgs nowadays.

You just don't find top notch athleticism mixed with overall skills with this much offensive upside in JJ. I want my Lakers to pick JJ as I think he will win the ROTY next year and has the mental toughness to be an alpha star in this league.

Wiggins was picked first in a draft class regarded as the deepest class since Bron/wade. This draft class has a chance to beat them imo. With that said , it's interesting to compare the two stats coming out of college to get a baseline on how good JJ potential really is.


Rebounding

Jackson Wiggins
7.4 RPG 5.9
8.7 ORB% 8.4
17.4 DRB% 12.3
13.3 TRB% 10.4

Jackson was a much better passer:

Jackson Wiggins
3.0 APG 1.5
18.2 AST% 9.2

Jackson was better at getting blocks and steals:

Jackson Wiggins
1.7 SPG 1.2
3.1 STL% 2.1
1.1 BPG 1.0
3.5 BLK% 3.1

Overall, Jackson was a more efficient scorer. Wiggins' only advantage came at the free throw line (hence the slight advantage in TS%):

Jackson Wiggins
16.3 PPG 17.1
.513 FG% .448
.378 3P% .341
.566 FT% .775
.552 eFG% .499
.559 TS% .563

JJ's advanced metrics are for the most part better than wiggins:

Jackson Wiggins
24.1 PER 21.4
2.7 OWS 3.2
2.2 DWS 1.7
4.9 WS 4.9
.180 WS40 .170
5.1 OBPM 5.45
.7 DBPM 3.0
10.7 BPM 8.5
110.7 ORtg 116.1
96 DRtg 102.8
14.7 Net Rating 13.3

JJ played on a vastly superior team, but they had similar workloads:

Jackson Wiggins
30.8 MPG 32.8
27.2 USG% 26.3
12.3 FGA 12.1
4.9 FTA 6.5

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