Dante Exum. Biggest bust potential among top picks ?

LoyalKing · Post #81 » by **LoyalKing** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:40 pm

I still remain with the same opinion about Exum after watching the SL

Exum's numbers in the SL (26 minutes)

6.8ppg/2.8apg with 2.8 TOs 32%FG / 21% 3p / 60%FT

The same problems that I presented right after the draft. Very poor shooting, FT% is putrid, not a pass-first guard and had a lot of problems creating his own shot against men.

Exum was the exciting unknown of the draft. He was sold as a young 6'6 PG, but he is in fact a 6'6 SG that can't shoot the ball. He is very quick no doubt, but he won't be playing against under-19 in the NBA. Even Bruno Caboclo, a guy that most people thought couldn't play pro basketball, looks more ready than Exum and he is the youngest player of the SL.

Honestly, Orlando got trashed for passing on Exum, but I definitely think they did the right thing. The only thing that gives me hope about Exum is the Jazz. If Sacramento or Minny got him, I would say that he would be a lock to be a bust.

reanimator · Post #82 » by **reanimator** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:26 pm

Future superstar.

Winglish · Post #83 » by **Winglish** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:17 pm

not a pass-first guard and had a lot of problems creating his own shot against men.

I think I am one of the few Jazz guys here who is not swooning over the moon about Exum on the Jazz board. I totally agree with you about his shooting. That said, both of the above statements are patently false. Exum routinely blew past defenders, only to make a pass to a teammate. Guys are going to like playing with him because he DOES pass the ball.

Also, we'll see about getting his shot off. It's hard to tell against summer league competition, but I'd put Exum as one of the 20 fastest players on the ball in the NBA. Maybe a top 10 crossover. He dang near broke a couple guys' ankles.

tranjSAIC · Post #84 » by **tranjSAIC** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:39 pm

LoyalKing wrote:
Honestly, Orlando got trashed for passing on Exum, but I definitely think they did the right thing. The only thing that gives me hope about Exum is the Jazz. If Sacramento or Minny got him, I would say that he would be a lock to be a bust.

No one expects Exum to be any good this year, he's basically a HS to pro kid. Give him a few years before you judge him. I think out of the top 5 guys, Gordon has the highest bust potential. Scares the crap out of me as a Magic fan. I just don't believe in tweeners with how low the success rate is.

MagicFan32 · Post #85 » by **MagicFan32** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:18 am

so magic get trashed for gordons SL performance
exum gets praised

*looks at stats*

seems they both need ALOT of work

76ciology · Post #86 » by **76ciology** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:57 am

MagicFan32 wrote:so magic get trashed for gordons SL performance
exum gets praised

*looks at stats*

seems they both need ALOT of work

Eyetest, huge difference. Gordon looks like a role player. Exum looks like a player who can be a star.

EMG518 · Post #87 » by **EMG518** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:56 pm

76ciology wrote:
MagicFan32 wrote:so magic get trashed for gordons SL performance
exum gets praised

*looks at stats*

seems they both need ALOT of work

Eyetest, huge difference. Gordon looks like a role player. Exum looks like a player who can be a star.

Does he? Didnt look good to me.

76ciology · Post #88 » by **76ciology** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:44 pm

EMG518 wrote:
76ciology wrote:
MagicFan32 wrote:so magic get trashed for gordons SL performance
exum gets praised

*looks at stats*

seems they both need ALOT of work

Eyetest, huge difference. Gordon looks like a role player. Exum looks like a player who can be a star.

Does he? Didnt look good to me.

I think Gordon looks more like a defensive specialist. While Exum looks like someone who can create using his basketball IQ, length and elite quickness on offense. I think Exum would have looked much better being the leading PG and being guarded by smaller PGs. But never the less, he has showed the potential to create on offense which is one of the most common traits by star guards in this league.

LoyalKing · Post #89 » by **LoyalKing** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:24 pm

Since I heard a lot the "they don't let him play as a PG" excuse, I had to watch the Jazz x Blazers game to see it that applied.

9 points, 3 assists, 4 TOs, 3-11FG and 0-4 from 3p. Again, the same problems. Very poor shooting, prefers to create for himself than for others and not very efficient as a scorer.

As Sheed used to say, "ball don't lie". The only thing that gives me hope about him is the Jazz. Because I don't see a star at all. I still believe that teams passed on him for a reason. A 6'6 pass-first PG looks awesome on paper. A 6'6 SG with a scoring mentality that can't shoot doesn't. I still think ORL did the right thing passing on him to draft Gordon and Payton.

reanimator · Post #90 » by **reanimator** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:33 pm

LoyalKing wrote: prefers to create for himself than for others

LoyalKing · Post #91 » by **LoyalKing** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:47 pm

reanimator wrote:
LoyalKing wrote: prefers to create for himself than for others

Not crazy at all, It's true. You watch it, you see it. You check the stats, they tell you that. He is a guard with a scoring mentality.

He finished the SL with 7.2ppg/2.8apg/3.0 TOs @ 30%FG and 16% from 3P.

The only difference from his U-19 numbers is the fact that he struggled to score against men. The assists numbers are still low, his TO rate is very high and his shooting stroke is still bad.

Playing for Australia, playing for the Jazz team. He plays the same way.

It's not a problem when the player is efficient. He will need to find his way in the NBA. I am not sure if it's going to be as a PG though.

Apollo64 · Post #92 » by **Apollo64** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:06 pm

I swear people are blind.

What i saw was a kid that played the right way and helped his team win. Great playmaking, passing and feel for the game and also good defense. I don't really care that he didn't score much, he doesn't need to be a scorer at his age.

Post #93 » by **Marcus** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:23 pm

Apollo64 wrote:I swear people are blind.

What i saw was a kid that played the right way and helped his team win. Great playmaking, passing and feel for the game and also good defense. I don't really care that he didn't score much, he doesn't need to be a scorer at his age.

I'll give you everything but the Defense. Good POTENTIAL on defense. But he has a ways to go to get there. Gotta fight through picks better, hands should be higher, missed dig opportunities, angles weren't bad though, and the kid hustles on that end. I think he wants to be good on that end and will be in time once he gets more experience and understanding of the pro game under his belt.

EMG518 · Post #94 » by **EMG518** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:57 pm

Apollo64 wrote:I swear people are blind.

What i saw was a kid that played the right way and helped his team win. Great playmaking, passing and feel for the game and also good defense. I don't really care that he didn't score much, he doesn't need to be a scorer at his age.

I just watched his last game, he did play well. How far along his jumper comes and will he develop any post moves will determine how high he can go. Right now he is very far away from being a "star"

MagicFan32 · Post #95 » by **MagicFan32** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:43 pm

76ciology wrote:
MagicFan32 wrote:so magic get trashed for gordons SL performance
exum gets praised

*looks at stats*

seems they both need ALOT of work

Eyetest, huge difference. Gordon looks like a role player. Exum looks like a player who can be a star.

eyetest lies all the time, while i am a big exum fan still, people here are being extremely hypocritical which is called confirmation bias. both performed about the same but people's biases can't be set aside

stitches · Post #96 » by **stitches** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:10 am

LoyalKing wrote:I still remain with the same opinion about Exum after watching the SL

Exum's numbers in the SL (26 minutes)

6.8ppg/2.8apg with 2.8 TOs 32%FG / 21% 3p / 60%FT

The same problems that I presented right after the draft. Very poor shooting, FT% is putrid, not a pass-first guard and had a lot of problems creating his own shot against men.

Exum was the exciting unknown of the draft. He was sold as a young 6'6 PG, but he is in fact a 6'6 SG that can't shoot the ball. He is very quick no doubt, but he won't be playing against under-19 in the NBA. Even Bruno Caboclo, a guy that most people thought couldn't play pro basketball, looks more ready than Exum and he is the youngest player of the SL.

Honestly, Orlando got trashed for passing on Exum, but I definitely think they did the right thing. The only thing that gives me hope about Exum is the Jazz. If Sacramento or Minny got him, I would say that he would be a lock to be a bust.

I don't know what you've watched, but from what I saw - if anything he's way too happy to pass the ball. The way I saw him he's definitely a pass-first point guard and he gets lost when he plays off the ball. Anytime he got the ball in his hands the offense was running much more smoothly than when Burke had it. Exum has all the attributes(vision, passing, feel for the game, basketball iq, etc.) of a potentially great point guard and the main attribute of a struggling shooting guard - precisely poor shooting.

A lot of his problems in this summer league came from his poor conditioning and his weak frame. The first is easily fixable, the second might take some time, but if he's got the determination to succeed like they've advertised about him, he shouldn't have problem rectifying that problem as well.

stitches · Post #97 » by **stitches** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:18 am

Marcus wrote:
Apollo64 wrote:I swear people are blind.

What i saw was a kid that played the right way and helped his team win. Great playmaking, passing and feel for the game and also good defense. I don't really care that he didn't score much, he doesn't need to be a scorer at his age.

I'll give you everything but the Defense. Good POTENTIAL on defense. But he has a ways to go to get there. Gotta fight through picks better, hands should be higher, missed dig opportunities, angles weren't bad though, and the kid hustles on that end. I think he wants to be good on that end and will be in time once he gets more experience and understanding of the pro game under his belt.

Indeed, I totally agree with that assessment. He needs consistency on the defensive end because, sometimes he just seems to switch off and he needs to add some strength in order to be able to fight through screens and not get totally blown out of the way in pick'n'roll situations. His size and length and his lateral quickness are great foundation for being a great defender, especially for his position and especially seeing his eagerness to show hustle on D. I think he has great potential to be a 2-way player with impact on both ends of the floor.

Chuck Everett · Post #98 » by **Chuck Everett** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 6:16 am

If Exum isn't going to be a scorer and will be primarily more of a passer, then he will be considered a bust by many people. The Jazz could not have drafted him to be Shaun Livingston pre-injury. The Kobe/Penny comparisons are way off considering they were scorers who also were excellent passers, not passers who could score a little.

bigboi · Post #99 » by **bigboi** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:47 pm

I'm probably going to be crucified, but Lavine has looked like a much more special prospect prospect than Exum to me.

Mad Guru · Post #100 » by **Mad Guru** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 4:32 pm

Exum had specific plays where he looked good, but clearly didn't know what he was doing out there.

I think Gordon is in the same boat, except Gordon is even younger than Exum and will be playing with a guy he has chemistry with in Payton, allowing them to develop together. I think they both went to the right teams, Exum and Oladipo would have been a terrible pairing, basically duplicates of each other on the offensive end, you would have to move one of them eventually. Burke is a pure PG, and a good match for Exum who should probably be playing at SG anyways.

I don't think either one will be a bust. However if you want to analyze them both, SF/PF tweeners who can't shoot have a harder time in the NBA. Exum is by no means a sure thing though, if you are expecting him to be Kobe or Penny, you are going to have a rude awakening.