Re: Timothe Luwawu
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:56 pm
Here's hoping the Raps take him.
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ReasonablySober wrote:rick_21 wrote:I can see him becoming a usable two way player, but I don't get quite the hype as some of you that see him close to a top-5 prospect.
He has good physical profile, as he is big for a perimeter player, has long arms and good frame. However, when I have seen him, his athleticism has looked a bit underwhelming IMO. He is not overly quick and his explosiveness is certainly subpar.
Then, I'm not sold on his skill set. He scores at a high rate (19 pts/40 min PA) but he is very unefficient: 39% FG and you can clearly see that he has a lot of trouble finishing in the paint, mostly due to his average explosiveness and vertical agility, as I said, he seems to be long but not overly athletic in half court situations, phisically he looks like Tyreke Evans but lacks the creativity, craftiness and body control that allows Evans (or used to, before his injuries) to finish in the paint at a very good rate.
Another huge red flag that I see in Luwawu is that he tries to create a lot and run the offense through him, but he doesn't have the advanced handles or passing skills that he would need to create consistently, and also his average athleticism doesn't allow him to get into the paint and divide the defense regularly. The result is a negative assist to turnover ratio that does not look good to me for a player that is projected to be something more than a catch and shoot wing at the next level.
And lastly the defense. He has the tools to be a very good perimeter defender, I can see that, but he doesn't seem to be an aggresive type of defender and his fundamentals are not great. With a little bit of work, he will not be a defensive liability at all, but he's far away from being a lockdown defender even at Adriatic League level.
Yea, man.
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Von Bismarck wrote:MrTwister wrote:SlowPaced wrote:nbadraft.net dropped him to #33 in their last Mock. Wanna know what it is that they're smoking.
I am not huge Givony and DX fan but what nbadraft.net does with some mocks are nothing short but terrible.Some measurements are off, especially for some euro players, Korkmaz is rated higher than Luwawu even though he doesn't have NBA ready body yet, some at least questionable 1st round picks(Diallo,Maker,Yabouselle), Zubac is going undrafted,Zizic late 2nd rounder.Probably some of these stuff gonna be corrected but still, doesn't change the fact that DX is vastly superior than any other draft/scouting website.
Draft.net is ridiculous, DX always has better mocks.
I mean, looking at this new draft.net mock, Zizic and Zubac are first rounders for sure. Korkmaz rated higher than Luwawu is nonsense. Sabonis at 7
ReasonablySober wrote:rick_21 wrote:I can see him becoming a usable two way player, but I don't get quite the hype as some of you that see him close to a top-5 prospect.
He has good physical profile, as he is big for a perimeter player, has long arms and good frame. However, when I have seen him, his athleticism has looked a bit underwhelming IMO. He is not overly quick and his explosiveness is certainly subpar.
Then, I'm not sold on his skill set. He scores at a high rate (19 pts/40 min PA) but he is very unefficient: 39% FG and you can clearly see that he has a lot of trouble finishing in the paint, mostly due to his average explosiveness and vertical agility, as I said, he seems to be long but not overly athletic in half court situations, phisically he looks like Tyreke Evans but lacks the creativity, craftiness and body control that allows Evans (or used to, before his injuries) to finish in the paint at a very good rate.
Another huge red flag that I see in Luwawu is that he tries to create a lot and run the offense through him, but he doesn't have the advanced handles or passing skills that he would need to create consistently, and also his average athleticism doesn't allow him to get into the paint and divide the defense regularly. The result is a negative assist to turnover ratio that does not look good to me for a player that is projected to be something more than a catch and shoot wing at the next level.
And lastly the defense. He has the tools to be a very good perimeter defender, I can see that, but he doesn't seem to be an aggresive type of defender and his fundamentals are not great. With a little bit of work, he will not be a defensive liability at all, but he's far away from being a lockdown defender even at Adriatic League level.
Yea, man.
rick_21 wrote:ReasonablySober wrote:rick_21 wrote:I can see him becoming a usable two way player, but I don't get quite the hype as some of you that see him close to a top-5 prospect.
He has good physical profile, as he is big for a perimeter player, has long arms and good frame. However, when I have seen him, his athleticism has looked a bit underwhelming IMO. He is not overly quick and his explosiveness is certainly subpar.
Then, I'm not sold on his skill set. He scores at a high rate (19 pts/40 min PA) but he is very unefficient: 39% FG and you can clearly see that he has a lot of trouble finishing in the paint, mostly due to his average explosiveness and vertical agility, as I said, he seems to be long but not overly athletic in half court situations, phisically he looks like Tyreke Evans but lacks the creativity, craftiness and body control that allows Evans (or used to, before his injuries) to finish in the paint at a very good rate.
Another huge red flag that I see in Luwawu is that he tries to create a lot and run the offense through him, but he doesn't have the advanced handles or passing skills that he would need to create consistently, and also his average athleticism doesn't allow him to get into the paint and divide the defense regularly. The result is a negative assist to turnover ratio that does not look good to me for a player that is projected to be something more than a catch and shoot wing at the next level.
And lastly the defense. He has the tools to be a very good perimeter defender, I can see that, but he doesn't seem to be an aggresive type of defender and his fundamentals are not great. With a little bit of work, he will not be a defensive liability at all, but he's far away from being a lockdown defender even at Adriatic League level.
Yea, man.
I didn't explain my point clearly. I don't seny that he has some bounce. However he only displays it when he has an open lane and in transition, and he doesn't really show that athleticism in half court situations.
That is something you can see with some other prospects, that they can look very athletic when in transition but can jump a coin in half-court situations, because they need time/space to gather and are not good athletes from a standstill. For example, I've seen Denzel Valentine throw some impressive dunks in transition, but he's clearly a below average athlete in any other situation.
I see some of that in Luwawu, and there is no doubt that he has a lot of trouble finishing at the rim already playing against weak Adriatic League competition.
coutournant wrote:rick_21 wrote:ReasonablySober wrote:
Yea, man.
I didn't explain my point clearly. I don't seny that he has some bounce. However he only displays it when he has an open lane and in transition, and he doesn't really show that athleticism in half court situations.
That is something you can see with some other prospects, that they can look very athletic when in transition but can jump a coin in half-court situations, because they need time/space to gather and are not good athletes from a standstill. For example, I've seen Denzel Valentine throw some impressive dunks in transition, but he's clearly a below average athlete in any other situation.
I see some of that in Luwawu, and there is no doubt that he has a lot of trouble finishing at the rim already playing against weak Adriatic League competition.
I can get what you explain, but it's an area where Luwawu has improved a lot this year. He still can improve but not many wing are able to finish strong in traffic in half court situations even in NBA, so I don't think it's a huge red flag.
Otherwise you say Luwawu is not overly quick and I totally disagree. He's the quickest wing player I've ever seen from France, he's a lot quicker than Batum, Fournier or Mickael Pietrus at the same age, as far as I remember. His first step and body control are amazing.
Another thing I disagree is to say Adriatic league level is weak. It's a good league with european clubs as Red Star, Cedevita. A lot of NBA prospects has emerged from this league last years.
Von Bismarck wrote:MalonesElbows wrote:Just another older euro who isn't even good in the weak Adriatic league. Hype on.
Weak compared to what, NBA? Yeah, any league is weak compared to NBA. But, I need to tell you that the ABA league is TOP 5 in Europe, so no, it's not weak. Besides that, ABA gave many NBA players, good and even great ones.
But, to be honest, Luwawu is French product, he only played in ABA for 1 year and it'd be unfair to say he's ABA's product.
That being said, I think Luwawu will be mid/late lottery pick. Somewhere between 8 and 12.
har13 wrote:former Yogaslavia produce the best young players in Europe,of course you can find great talent in Adriatic league but i honest believe is weak .
even if you believe is Top 5(better than spanish,Russian,turkish,greek,italian?)you know this is not something special ,Is just 2,3 good teams in every league(except Spanish maybe) the others i think are worst than Ncaa team.
Mvp of Adriatic league is a player i don't even want him in my team
I 'm not speaking about Luwawu , i ve never watch him(i didn't even know the team he is playing, Mega leks )and i m NOT a basketball expert , just my opinion.
sorry for my english