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doordoor123 wrote:He was always the third best prospect for me. It seems like people like to pretend they know what's going on until someone puts up numbers in important games. The way he gets the the basket and his motor have always been elite.
Fischella wrote:Are people actually watching the games? Fox did great against a defense that basically did everything wrong in terms of how you defend him, kudos to him for staying aggressive, moving the ball quickly when doubled and all that, but UCLA didnt challenge him to shot all game, played close to his hips, and went over screens and crashed continuosly at those, put that together with no rim-protector, and he had like 10 floaters with no opposition.
Fischella wrote: if this game told you something new, you have to actually change the way you scout these guys all over.
EvanZ wrote:jonjames wrote:His ability to defend run the team make the right passes hit the midrange shot break down defenses off dribble and finish at the basket in half court and transition will all translate at next level. His shooting has gotten better since the beginning of season. Even without much improvement on his shot..he's a taller and more athletic Mike Conley. That's very good floor to say the least.
Mike Conley is a 38% career 3pt shooter who is one of the top 10 point guards in the league for like the last 5 years. I mean are you really sitting there in your bedroom thinking that this dude's *floor* is Mike Conley? Come on man. That's not how this works.
jonjames wrote:EvanZ wrote:jonjames wrote:His ability to defend run the team make the right passes hit the midrange shot break down defenses off dribble and finish at the basket in half court and transition will all translate at next level. His shooting has gotten better since the beginning of season. Even without much improvement on his shot..he's a taller and more athletic Mike Conley. That's very good floor to say the least.
Mike Conley is a 38% career 3pt shooter who is one of the top 10 point guards in the league for like the last 5 years. I mean are you really sitting there in your bedroom thinking that this dude's *floor* is Mike Conley? Come on man. That's not how this works.
Yes his 3pt % is bad and maybe always will be but his shooting has gotten better and is around the same level as John wall at Kentucky. Wall is now a consensus top 10 pg by everyone and top 5 pg by good amount of ppl. Last night just confirmed to me what I've seen from him earlier in the season.in the late 2nd half there was a sequence where he cut thru defense going full speed and used spin move off his defender and contorted his body hanging in the air almost getting the finish you can't teach that that's just pure basketball instincts. And another play where lonzo and another ucla player tried to double near the half court fox just blew by them and went in for the layup. That Nba spacing is going to be money for fox and I suspect his shot will get better at next level as basketball becomes his full time job. His defense will always be there.
AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:Fox may not have checked any new boxes, but he checked the **** out of some old ones on the biggest stage of his career. I don't see how that can be dismissed.
reanimator wrote:AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:Fox may not have checked any new boxes, but he checked the **** out of some old ones on the biggest stage of his career. I don't see how that can be dismissed.
This would make sense, if you didn't see him as a lottery pick prior which I've always thought since his EYBL days, as marcus can attest. I'm not one to think march madness games are bigger than regular season games for prospects, this ain't the difference between the NBA regular season and playoffs.
EvanZ wrote:Lonzo's defense is terrible.
HotelVitale wrote:EvanZ wrote:Lonzo's defense is terrible.
It comes and goes but that play wasn't Ball's fault. No way he's getting around that pick cleanly, clearly should've been a switch there or at the very least a contest even if the switch came too late. And the helper to the left should also at least change Fox's angle by shading into his driving lane (even if he doesn't want to leave his man completely).
EvanZ wrote:The second he turned his head away from the ball he was dead.HotelVitale wrote:EvanZ wrote:Lonzo's defense is terrible.
It comes and goes but that play wasn't Ball's fault. No way he's getting around that pick cleanly, clearly should've been a switch there or at the very least a contest even if the switch came too late. And the helper to the left should also at least change Fox's angle by shading into his driving lane (even if he doesn't want to leave his man completely).
That's not how this stuff works, though. We've seen dozens of guys who 'hate to lose' not develop very well, it's mostly not a matter of will or determination. Fox might not have the physical capability to develop an extremely difficult muscle skill (shooting from 24-28 ft against huge and fast defenses), and there's no point in calculating someone's floor with the assumption that they'll develop just fine in something they're clearly far behind in. Seems more fair to calculate a floor based on where they're at and a reasonable development of what they're good at, but without any heroic developments in other areas. (Conley has developed very well in lots of areas, too, though Fox is startign with a better crossover and finishing game.)Sixers2125 wrote: I agree that his floor is very high. Mike Conley is a bad comparison because their games aren't not very similar. I just think Fox is gonna be a star, listening to his post game interviews I can tell he is very driven and he hates losing. That's a good trait to have.
Ambrose wrote:I've really only watched him the last two games but he kind of strikes me as a poor mans Westbrook.
AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:
I'm trying to see what Welsh saw there, and the best I can come up with is he thought Leaf was dropping down on the other side of the screen? Trash either way.
EvanZ wrote:HotelVitale wrote:EvanZ wrote:Lonzo's defense is terrible.
It comes and goes but that play wasn't Ball's fault. No way he's getting around that pick cleanly, clearly should've been a switch there or at the very least a contest even if the switch came too late. And the helper to the left should also at least change Fox's angle by shading into his driving lane (even if he doesn't want to leave his man completely).
The second he turned his head away from the ball he was dead.
