Lonzo Ball

[Slartibartfast]

Anyone see young Brent Barry with better vision as a good comp for Lonzo?

[ph1sh55]

Anyone see young Brent Barry with better vision as a good comp for Lonzo?

Barry was definitely a better slasher/more athletic around the rim when he joined the league, but I kinda like that comparison. Barry was a great passer in his own right but probably not as dynamic vision wise as Ball, had a similarly funky looking set shot but it went in at a high rate, and wasn't that great at creating his own shot either from what I recall (though he played around that flaw just fine). One of the better comps imo!

Even if he didn't rise above the level of a solid starter he always seemed to have a positive effect on his teams.

[nolang1]

Lonzo Ball's best comp is Draymond Green?

Why stop there? How about Shaq as Lonzo's best comp? Or maybe Bryant "Big Country" Reeves?

Some fools comparing him to Jason Kidd, JASON KIDD. You should have been outraged a long time back


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Why is Jason Kidd such an outrageous comparison? Ball is a tall athletic pass first PG with great vision and passing and is ultimate floor and offensive general. He also set the Pac-12 freshman assist record and set the UCLA single season assist record. I think that is a pretty good comparison to Kidd.

Because Kidd was on an all-defense team 9 times and most people are just hoping that Lonzo isn't too much of a negative on that end.

[JellosJigglin]

Some fools comparing him to Jason Kidd, JASON KIDD. You should have been outraged a long time back


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Why is Jason Kidd such an outrageous comparison? Ball is a tall athletic pass first PG with great vision and passing and is ultimate floor and offensive general. He also set the Pac-12 freshman assist record and set the UCLA single season assist record. I think that is a pretty good comparison to Kidd.

Because Kidd was on an all-defense team 9 times and most people are just hoping that Lonzo isn't too much of a negative on that end.

So then just ignore all the other similarities?

[Jkam31]

Why is Jason Kidd such an outrageous comparison? Ball is a tall athletic pass first PG with great vision and passing and is ultimate floor and offensive general. He also set the Pac-12 freshman assist record and set the UCLA single season assist record. I think that is a pretty good comparison to Kidd.

Because Kidd was on an all-defense team 9 times and most people are just hoping that Lonzo isn't too much of a negative on that end.

So then just ignore all the other similarities?

Like what besides passing cause Kidd was able to create for him self and run pick and rolls


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[Rockmaninoff]

Because Kidd was on an all-defense team 9 times and most people are just hoping that Lonzo isn't too much of a negative on that end.

So then just ignore all the other similarities?

Like what besides passing cause Kidd was able to create for him self and run pick and rolls


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Yes, Jason Kidd could create for himself and run pick and roll and post a career .507 TS. I think Ball could be inefficient too if he did stuff he wasn't good at.

[reanimator]

Anyone see young Brent Barry with better vision as a good comp for Lonzo?

Stylistically I can see this but on steroids...much better rebounder and defensively to go with the vision. I expect Lonzo to shoot a higher volume of 3s at a similar clip, too.

[zzaj]

So then just ignore all the other similarities?

Like what besides passing cause Kidd was able to create for him self and run pick and rolls


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Yes, Jason Kidd could create for himself and run pick and roll and post a career .507 TS. I think Ball could be inefficient too if he did stuff he wasn't good at.

People also tend to forget that Kidd was probably the best rebounding guard of his generation. I highly doubt Ball is going to be anywhere near the rebounder Kidd was.

[Marcus]

Like what besides passing cause Kidd was able to create for him self and run pick and rolls


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Yes, Jason Kidd could create for himself and run pick and roll and post a career .507 TS. I think Ball could be inefficient too if he did stuff he wasn't good at.

People also tend to forget that Kidd was probably the best rebounding guard of his generation. I highly doubt Ball is going to be anywhere near the rebounder Kidd was.

because?

[Slartibartfast]

Anyone see young Brent Barry with better vision as a good comp for Lonzo?

Stylistically I can see this but on steroids...much better rebounder and defensively to go with the vision. I expect Lonzo to shoot a higher volume of 3s at a similar clip, too.

Rebounding yes. I love how Ball rebounds - really puts his length and bounce to work.

Not as sure about defense. They both have long skinny legs problems - better team/off-ball defenders than man defenders as a result.

[Slartibartfast]

Yes, Jason Kidd could create for himself and run pick and roll and post a career .507 TS. I think Ball could be inefficient too if he did stuff he wasn't good at.

People also tend to forget that Kidd was probably the best rebounding guard of his generation. I highly doubt Ball is going to be anywhere near the rebounder Kidd was.

because?

I think Lonzo will be a fine rebounder because of his length, timing and leaping ability.

But the big thing separating him from Kidd is strength and power. Kidd was a brute.

Lonzo closer to Rondo as a rebounder than Kidd, I think.

[Rockmaninoff]

Like what besides passing cause Kidd was able to create for him self and run pick and rolls


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Yes, Jason Kidd could create for himself and run pick and roll and post a career .507 TS. I think Ball could be inefficient too if he did stuff he wasn't good at.

People also tend to forget that Kidd was probably the best rebounding guard of his generation. I highly doubt Ball is going to be anywhere near the rebounder Kidd was.

Jason Kidd career rebounding %:

O - 4.0
D - 16.0

Lonzo Ball freshman year rebounding %:

O - 3.2
D - 16.3

Rebounding is said to be the most transferable stat.

[Duke4life831]

Yes, Jason Kidd could create for himself and run pick and roll and post a career .507 TS. I think Ball could be inefficient too if he did stuff he wasn't good at.

People also tend to forget that Kidd was probably the best rebounding guard of his generation. I highly doubt Ball is going to be anywhere near the rebounder Kidd was.

Jason Kidd career rebounding %:

O - 4.0
D - 16.0

Lonzo Ball freshman year rebounding %:

O - 3.2
D - 16.3

Rebounding is said to be the most transferable stat.

Yup. Ball grabbed 6 boards a game as a freshman compared to Kidd grabbing 5. Not saying Ball is the better rebounder, but not seeing why Ball cant be considered as good of a rebounding prospect coming into the league as Kidd was.

[Lalouie]

People also tend to forget that Kidd was probably the best rebounding guard of his generation. I highly doubt Ball is going to be anywhere near the rebounder Kidd was.

Jason Kidd career rebounding %:

O - 4.0
D - 16.0

Lonzo Ball freshman year rebounding %:

O - 3.2
D - 16.3

Rebounding is said to be the most transferable stat.

Yup. Ball grabbed 6 boards a game as a freshman compared to Kidd grabbing 5. Not saying Ball is the better rebounder, but not seeing why Ball cant be considered as good of a rebounding prospect coming into the league as Kidd was.

Zo has a nose for the ball. Yes every good player does but zo proved it by making timely huge plays again and again and again all year. He is a big play player which no one has brought up

[Marcus]

People also tend to forget that Kidd was probably the best rebounding guard of his generation. I highly doubt Ball is going to be anywhere near the rebounder Kidd was.

Jason Kidd career rebounding %:

O - 4.0
D - 16.0

Lonzo Ball freshman year rebounding %:

O - 3.2
D - 16.3

Rebounding is said to be the most transferable stat.

Yup. Ball grabbed 6 boards a game as a freshman compared to Kidd grabbing 5. Not saying Ball is the better rebounder, but not seeing why Ball cant be considered as good of a rebounding prospect coming into the league as Kidd was.

Especially considering it's not like Kidd was banging ala Ben Wallace or Antonio Davis for boards. He read the ball off the rim, got rebounds by hitting the open area on the floor and excellent timing with his pursuit. Its the same thing Lonzo shows when he grabs boards. It's essentially a staple of rebounders who aren't traditional bigs. Read the ball, time your pursuit, give the necessary effort.

[zzaj]

These are all fair points re: Ball vs. Kidd as rebounders in the NBA.

Ball certainly has the makings of a good rebounder in the NBA (especially if he's used at PG). Part of my thinking was the context in which they in the NBA. For various reasons, I think Ball will be a lot more perimeter oriented which doesn't lend itself to rebounding. Kidd's game changed over time but it seemed like in his peak years, he always ended up near the rim when shots were going up and he could use his smarts, size and strength to corral rebounds.

I guess my question is, do you think the difference in the NBA style of play, then vs. now, will effect Ball's game at the NBA level. Even in his peak years, I guess I just have a hard time seeing him average 7+ rebounds a game.

[Marcus]

These are all fair points re: Ball vs. Kidd as rebounders in the NBA.

Ball certainly has the makings of a good rebounder in the NBA (especially if he's used at PG). Part of my thinking was the context in which they in the NBA. For various reasons, I think Ball will be a lot more perimeter oriented which doesn't lend itself to rebounding. Kidd's game changed over time but it seemed like in his peak years, he always ended up near the rim when shots were going up and he could use his smarts, size and strength to corral rebounds.

I guess my question is, do you think the difference in the NBA style of play, then vs. now, will effect Ball's game at the NBA level. Even in his peak years, I guess I just have a hard time seeing him average 7+ rebounds a game.

I think a lot of it is dependent on his role with the team he's with, the same way it did with Kidd, the same way it does with a lot of high IQ players. If you noticed a lot of the big board games Zo racked up or big rebound stretches he had were in conjunction with team need at the time. the ball needed to be pushed and the outlets weren't coming quick enough so he went and positioned himself for defensive boards.

It's a function of need. If the team needs him to crash and help out or the pace calls for him to do so then he can grab those 5 to 7 boards any given game. If the team has bigs that will get the ball out fast enough to get the pace jumping and play to his strengths he won't need to and therefore those numbers may dip.

Kidd was the same way and always played with fast pace teams where the rebounding help was necessary. Only time we didn't see that he was OAF so it wasn't expected and even then when he clearly wasn't athletic enough or had a sturdy build to bang he still grabbed a good number of boards with the same strengths that he and Lonzo both posses which I mentioned in an earlier post.

[Lalouie]

Jason Kidd career rebounding %:

O - 4.0
D - 16.0

Lonzo Ball freshman year rebounding %:

O - 3.2
D - 16.3

Rebounding is said to be the most transferable stat.

Yup. Ball grabbed 6 boards a game as a freshman compared to Kidd grabbing 5. Not saying Ball is the better rebounder, but not seeing why Ball cant be considered as good of a rebounding prospect coming into the league as Kidd was.

Especially considering it's not like Kidd was banging ala Ben Wallace or Antonio Davis for boards. He read the ball off the rim, got rebounds by hitting the open area on the floor and excellent timing with his pursuit. Its the same thing Lonzo shows when he grabs boards. It's essentially a staple of rebounders who aren't traditional bigs. Read the ball, time your pursuit, give the necessary effort.

The team that drafts Zo and uses him well, IMHO of course, will ALLOW Zo Ball to get boards and take early advantage of the way his brain sees the whole floor unfolding.

[Chris76]

Yup. Ball grabbed 6 boards a game as a freshman compared to Kidd grabbing 5. Not saying Ball is the better rebounder, but not seeing why Ball cant be considered as good of a rebounding prospect coming into the league as Kidd was.

Especially considering it's not like Kidd was banging ala Ben Wallace or Antonio Davis for boards. He read the ball off the rim, got rebounds by hitting the open area on the floor and excellent timing with his pursuit. Its the same thing Lonzo shows when he grabs boards. It's essentially a staple of rebounders who aren't traditional bigs. Read the ball, time your pursuit, give the necessary effort.

The team that drafts Zo and uses him well, IMHO of course, will ALLOW Zo Ball to get boards and take early advantage of the way his brain sees the whole floor unfolding.

Ball seems to get good position and anticipation for rebounds. Its amazing how some bigs don't look for position, first when rebounding. Anyway, those long rebounds allow Ball to start fast breaks and pinpoint passing for quick points. Similarly, ben simmons gets good position for rebounds which he uses to start fast breaks. Both, should add excitement and uptempo for their teams.

[FuriousRiles]

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