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Post#3861 » by FinNasty » Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:06 am

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FinNasty wrote:He’s also an inch taller than Yao... lol

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And thick he should be a first round pick for sure.

Yep. He’ll be the heaviest player in the NBA to go along with that height.
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Post#3862 » by doordoor123 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:25 am

Please Magic draft Tacko Fall. I would love to see a lineup of Fall, Bamba and Simmons. How do you even score on that?
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Post#3863 » by nicnac215 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:17 am

doordoor123 wrote:Please Magic draft Tacko Fall. I would love to see a lineup of Fall, Bamba and Simmons. How do you even score on that?

Are we trading AG and JI for Ben Simmons?
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Post#3864 » by El Chivo » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:26 am

is Herro's ceiling better than Luke Kennard's? are they comparable?
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Post#3865 » by doordoor123 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:56 pm

nicnac215 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:Please Magic draft Tacko Fall. I would love to see a lineup of Fall, Bamba and Simmons. How do you even score on that?

Are we trading AG and JI for Ben Simmons?


Haha i meant Jonathan Isaac, but Ben Simmons would add to the size
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Post#3866 » by doordoor123 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:56 pm

El Chivo wrote:is Herro's ceiling better than Luke Kennard's? are they comparable?


Yes, they are.
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Post#3867 » by No-Man » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:20 pm

Best value bets in relation to likely range, and guys I'd target, some might go even lower but at one point I would just take them, the UDFAs obviously are guys that I'd want for a non-g/g-league/2-way deal but not investing a pick on them;

Zion Williamson (1)
Jarrett Culver (5-10)
Brandon Clarke (10-20)
Tyler Herro (10-20)
Goga Bitadze (10-20)
PJ Washington (10-20)
Grant Williams (15-30)
Matisse Thybulle (15-30)
Carsen Edwards (20-35)
Nicolas Claxton (20-35)
Chuma Okeke (20-35)
Ignas Brazdeikis (30-45)
Jontay Porter (30-45)
Terence Davis (30-45)
Talen Horton-Tucker (30-45)
Cody Martin (45+)
Isaiah Roby (45+)
Alen Smailagic (45+)
Charles Matthews (45+)
Didi Louzada (45+)
Yovel Zoosman (45+)
Dedric Lawson (45+)
Joshua Obiesie (45+)
Sagaba Konate (45+)
Adam Mokoka (45+)
Jaylen Hoard (45+)
Tremont Waters (45+)
Jordan Bone (45+)
Miye Oni (45+)
Justin Robinson (45+)
Sergi García (55-60)

UDFAs;

Dean Wade
Jarrey Foster
Rayjon Tucker
John Konchar
Juwan Morgan
Tyus Battle
Terance Mann
Josh Reaves
Justin Wright-Foreman
Ky Bowman
Jeremiah Martin
Daishon Smith
Jared Harper
Jalen Hudson
Aric Holman
Quinndary Weatherspoon
Kerwin Roach
D'Marcus Simonds
Barry Brown
Vic Law
Isaac Copeland
Zac Cuthbertson

Rest of the class I am basically out on
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Post#3868 » by 916fan » Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:02 pm

El Chivo wrote:is Herro's ceiling better than Luke Kennard's? are they comparable?

Herro is more athletic than Kennard. Kennard has the ball handling and playmaking that Herro doesn't have. They're both more comfortable/best as on-ball players, but I think Herro moves better without the ball than Kennard did. I think they are comparable players, but their playing styles are a bit different.

Kennard was the better prospect as he had a better overall game. Ceiling wise, it's difficult because Herro is almost 2 years younger than Kennard was out of Duke.
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Post#3869 » by NotACat » Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:03 pm

doordoor123 wrote:
El Chivo wrote:is Herro's ceiling better than Luke Kennard's? are they comparable?


Yes, they are.

I would disagree, Herro seems to have better handles and creation ability. Plus he's a lot younger than Kennard compared to when Kennard entered the league. I think he's going to be easily better than Kennard
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Post#3870 » by Duke4life831 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:35 pm

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doordoor123 wrote:
El Chivo wrote:is Herro's ceiling better than Luke Kennard's? are they comparable?


Yes, they are.

I would disagree, Herro seems to have better handles and creation ability. Plus he's a lot younger than Kennard compared to when Kennard entered the league. I think he's going to be easily better than Kennard


I'd actually give Kennard the edge there. I would give Herro the big advantage on moving without the ball and being the more versatile shooter. Luke always had to get his feet set before he shot and wasn't much of a threat moving off the ball. But Luke's FGs assisted on was very low, he created practically all of his own offense and was extremely crafty with the ball.
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Post#3871 » by clyde21 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:05 pm

nothing to really suggest Kennard's a better playmaker, Herro has better assist-to-usage rate ratio, is a better on-ball creator, and a better defense. Herro's also 1.5 years younger coming out. dude also has that dog in him.

also Kennard..85.6% from the line in college which is elite...to put that in perspective...Herro shot 93.5% from the line this year...
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Post#3872 » by clyde21 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:07 pm

also Kennard went lotto in what was supposed to be a better draft, right? people don't realize how good of a prospect Herro is. i'd be shocked if he drops below the top 14-16 picks.
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Post#3873 » by No-Man » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:31 pm

Herro is just so much more athletic, Kennard is probably craftier at the same point, but Herro has moves too and his game is more functional
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Post#3874 » by doordoor123 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:32 pm

clyde21 wrote:nothing to really suggest Kennard's a better playmaker, Herro has better assist-to-usage rate ratio, is a better on-ball creator, and a better defense. Herro's also 1.5 years younger coming out. dude also has that dog in him.

also Kennard..85.6% from the line in college which is elite...to put that in perspective...Herro shot 93.5% from the line this year...


When Kennard was in college he was a better playmaker, he had much better floor vision. Herro also barely got to the line. Herro also operates from the top of the three point line in terms of passing when Kennard often did so all over the floor.

I think they’re pretty comparable
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Post#3875 » by doordoor123 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:34 pm

Fischella wrote:Herro is just so much more athletic, Kennard is probably craftier at the same point, but Herro has moves too and his game is more functional


Would say that. Herro is more athletic, but the difference is that Herro is averagely athletic and Kennard is below averagely athletic.
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Post#3876 » by clyde21 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:45 pm

doordoor123 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:nothing to really suggest Kennard's a better playmaker, Herro has better assist-to-usage rate ratio, is a better on-ball creator, and a better defense. Herro's also 1.5 years younger coming out. dude also has that dog in him.

also Kennard..85.6% from the line in college which is elite...to put that in perspective...Herro shot 93.5% from the line this year...


When Kennard was in college he was a better playmaker, he had much better floor vision. Herro also barely got to the line. Herro also operates from the top of the three point line in terms of passing when Kennard often did so all over the floor.

I think they’re pretty comparable


as a FS Kennard averaged less than have the assist rate despite having similar usage. the idea that he's a better playmaker than Herro is baseless really. not true.

also as a freshmen Kennard had similar FTA rate and posted 88% from the line.
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Post#3877 » by 916fan » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:57 pm

clyde21 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:nothing to really suggest Kennard's a better playmaker, Herro has better assist-to-usage rate ratio, is a better on-ball creator, and a better defense. Herro's also 1.5 years younger coming out. dude also has that dog in him.

also Kennard..85.6% from the line in college which is elite...to put that in perspective...Herro shot 93.5% from the line this year...


When Kennard was in college he was a better playmaker, he had much better floor vision. Herro also barely got to the line. Herro also operates from the top of the three point line in terms of passing when Kennard often did so all over the floor.

I think they’re pretty comparable


as a FS Kennard averaged less than have the assist rate despite having similar usage. the idea that he's a better playmaker than Herro is baseless really. not true.

also as a freshmen Kennard had similar FTA rate and posted 88% from the line.

You can't just look at stats and assume they were equal. Kennard was a better playmaker coming out of Duke and that became one of his strengths as a prospect. I don't think anyone would say playmaking ability is a big strength for Herro. He shows good passing, but not the ability to create for his teammates beyond that.
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Post#3878 » by clyde21 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:02 pm

916fan wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
When Kennard was in college he was a better playmaker, he had much better floor vision. Herro also barely got to the line. Herro also operates from the top of the three point line in terms of passing when Kennard often did so all over the floor.

I think they’re pretty comparable


as a FS Kennard averaged less than have the assist rate despite having similar usage. the idea that he's a better playmaker than Herro is baseless really. not true.

also as a freshmen Kennard had similar FTA rate and posted 88% from the line.

You can't just look at stats and assume they were equal. Kennard was a better playmaker coming out of Duke and that became one of his strengths as a prospect. I don't think anyone would say playmaking ability is a big strength for Herro. He shows good passing, but not the ability to create for his teammates beyond that.


i don't see anything from a playmaking standpoint that favors Kennard here, do you have an example of a play that Kennard made at Duke that Herro can't make? maybe i'm forgetting but I don't remember Kennard being a better playmaker at all. or maybe you guys are underrating Herro's creation.

certainly from playmaking production standpoint, Herro's freshmen year eclipses Kennard's quite comfortably
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Post#3879 » by elias808 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:30 pm

Herro = Kennard. Different players; similar impact.
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Post#3880 » by mattg » Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:50 am

Herro’s offensive feel and sick decision making is what makes him project as more of a play maker than Kennard going forward. He has the capability to dictate and dominate games through his passing in a motion offense. Like not looking at playmaking through strictly doing something off the dribble, but more as reading the defense and always moving the ball correctly.

That’s why UK always wanted to involve Herro in the play. Even if they were just trying to set up a simple Washington post up they’re gonna initiate that by running Herro off a baseline screen and let him make the entry pass, or the decision on what to do if the post entry isn’t available.

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