Jonathan Isaac... as a Center?

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Can Isaac play C?

Yes, the new modern 5
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Yes, but only part time
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Maybe, only if he gets bigger
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No, you crazy nut!
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Re: Jonathan Isaac... as a Center? 

Post#21 » by No-Man » Fri May 19, 2017 2:34 pm

OGSactownballer wrote:I'm sorry but I understood he is a 3 with potential as a 4 in a small lineup if he bulls up?

If he plays the 3 for you your offense is gonna suck big time
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Re: Jonathan Isaac... as a Center? 

Post#22 » by No-Man » Fri May 19, 2017 2:37 pm

GimmeDat wrote:This is where I find peoples small trends going too far.

May be situationally in an ultra small-ball lineup, but in terms of what he predominantly is and projects to be, it's PF, and I think he leans closer to SF than C. Very versatile though.

There is 0 chance you are gonna be good on O with him at the 3 unless you basically have GOAT offensive level players like LeBron, Steph, prime Dirk/Nash, etc...

He is 6'11 with a +9'0 standing reach and has the frame to get to 240lbs in time (he got measured at 205 a year ago, I am sure he is at around 220 or so by now).

Can easily play the 5 in time, and he is clearly much closer to that than to a 3.
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Re: Jonathan Isaac... as a Center? 

Post#23 » by reanimator » Fri May 19, 2017 5:00 pm

He has a lot of development left, more so than many of the other prospects in this draft. Outside of Fultz, he has had probably the most rapid growth of all of the lottery prospects. Anyone saying what he will or won't be is doing pure guess work, especially since FSU did not use him in ways to really evaluate imo.
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Re: Jonathan Isaac... as a Center? 

Post#24 » by SHAQ32 » Fri May 19, 2017 6:21 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
SHAQ32 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
He doesnt have the perimeter skills to play the 3 in the NBA.

He's got the shot and the athleticism to play SF

Terrible take


Ya he can be a stretch 4. He doesn't have the ball skills to create his own shot out on the perimeter.

Peja Stojakovic was a mediocre ballhandler so I guess he wasn't a SF either
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Re: Jonathan Isaac... as a Center? 

Post#25 » by SHAQ32 » Fri May 19, 2017 6:23 pm

EvanZ wrote:
SHAQ32 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
He doesnt have the perimeter skills to play the 3 in the NBA.

He's got the shot and the athleticism to play SF

Terrible take


He's as much a SF as Aminu. Which is to say, not really.

So you're comparing Isaac to Aminu as a basketball player

Nice
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Re: Jonathan Isaac... as a Center? 

Post#26 » by sixerswillrule » Fri May 19, 2017 7:19 pm

Some SFs aren't needed to create their own shot.

Crowder: Assisted on 84% of FGs. 2.4 assists per 36

Ariza: Assisted on 81% of FGs. 2.3 assists per 36

Porter: Assisted on 77% of FGs. 1.7 assists per 36

They don't spend much time on the ball.

Isaac's ability to play SF will depend on his defense there and how well he can hit threes.
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Re: Jonathan Isaac... as a Center? 

Post#27 » by No-Man » Fri May 19, 2017 7:22 pm

SHAQ32 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
SHAQ32 wrote:He's got the shot and the athleticism to play SF

Terrible take


Ya he can be a stretch 4. He doesn't have the ball skills to create his own shot out on the perimeter.

Peja Stojakovic was a mediocre ballhandler so I guess he wasn't a SF either

ROFL

Isaac is an okay shooter, Peja was elite, there is a main difference there, that also opens up your handles, Peja might not have had elite handles but was a much more advanced offensive palyer that Isaac, more fluid for sure and didn't shy from scoring loads
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Re: Jonathan Isaac... as a Center? 

Post#28 » by Braggins » Fri May 19, 2017 7:33 pm

Your position basically just means who you can guard. Isaac can guard 3s, therefore you can play him at the 3 if you have complementary offensive skills at other positions. He should be able to guard 4's eventually and small ball 5s. He is a very good rebounder. He'll likely never start as a center, but he will likely see minutes there eventually throughout games and depending on matchups. There are 6'7"/6'8" SF's who get minutes at the 5 already. I don't see why anyone would think that a 6'11" forward with a standing reach over 9' and above average athleticism wouldn't see some time at the 5.
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Re: Jonathan Isaac... as a Center? 

Post#29 » by Duke4life831 » Fri May 19, 2017 7:34 pm

SHAQ32 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
SHAQ32 wrote:He's got the shot and the athleticism to play SF

Terrible take


He's as much a SF as Aminu. Which is to say, not really.

So you're comparing Isaac to Aminu as a basketball player

Nice


Coming out of college I think they're actually pretty similar players. You have to remember that Aminu got drafted before Paul George and Gordon Hayward. I think Isaac can be Aminu with a more consistent jumper. That doesn't scream a 3 to me in todays NBA, that sounds like a stretch 4.
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Re: Jonathan Isaac... as a Center? 

Post#30 » by Worm Guts » Fri May 19, 2017 7:55 pm

I would assume at some point he'll be able to guard centers, I'm sure it will be a few years down the road. His positional evolution could look a lot like KG's. Plays SF for 3 years, then spends most of his career as a PF and finishes as a C.
That's if he's able to sustain a long career.
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Re: Jonathan Isaac... as a Center? 

Post#31 » by brannigan73 » Fri May 19, 2017 7:58 pm

I think its far morely likely Isaac ends up a center then as a small forward. That being said I believe he is probably a stretch 4. Small Forward is a pipe dream at 6'11. Sorry but Isaac is not Kevin Durant. Teams are always going to try to play you where you can cause the biggest mismatch possible and to me the ultimately will be at the 4 and 5 position in the NBA. Its much more advantageous to be 6'11 and and an NBA average 3 point shooter as a 4 or 5 then as a three. Also, one of his best attributes is as a shot blocker. Sure he is slim but look at a guy like Nerlens Noel who is a pretty good NBA center. He probably only about 10-15 lbs heavier then Isaac right now. Survey says yes.
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Re: Jonathan Isaac... as a Center? 

Post#32 » by EvanZ » Fri May 19, 2017 8:07 pm

SHAQ32 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
SHAQ32 wrote:He's got the shot and the athleticism to play SF

Terrible take


He's as much a SF as Aminu. Which is to say, not really.

So you're comparing Isaac to Aminu as a basketball player

Nice


Yeah, that's exactly who I compare him to. Tell me how I'm wrong?
I was right about 3 point shooting. I expect to be right about Tacko Fall. Some coach will figure out how to use Tacko Fall. This movement towards undersized centers will sweep ng back. Back to the basket scorers will return to the NBA.
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Re: Jonathan Isaac... as a Center? 

Post#33 » by EvanZ » Fri May 19, 2017 8:08 pm

SHAQ32 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
SHAQ32 wrote:He's got the shot and the athleticism to play SF

Terrible take


Ya he can be a stretch 4. He doesn't have the ball skills to create his own shot out on the perimeter.

Peja Stojakovic was a mediocre ballhandler so I guess he wasn't a SF either


Why are you talking about a guy who was in his prime 10 years ago? It's not the same game today. Peja wouldn't be a SF in today's NBA.
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Re: Jonathan Isaac... as a Center? 

Post#34 » by Duke4life831 » Fri May 19, 2017 8:36 pm

EvanZ wrote:
SHAQ32 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
Ya he can be a stretch 4. He doesn't have the ball skills to create his own shot out on the perimeter.

Peja Stojakovic was a mediocre ballhandler so I guess he wasn't a SF either


Why are you talking about a guy who was in his prime 10 years ago? It's not the same game today. Peja wouldn't be a SF in today's NBA.


Ya Peja is a stretch 4 in todays game. Ryan Anderson is the closest thing we have to Peja and Anderson plays the 4.
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Re: Jonathan Isaac... as a Center? 

Post#35 » by No-Man » Fri May 19, 2017 8:48 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
SHAQ32 wrote:Peja Stojakovic was a mediocre ballhandler so I guess he wasn't a SF either


Why are you talking about a guy who was in his prime 10 years ago? It's not the same game today. Peja wouldn't be a SF in today's NBA.


Ya Peja is a stretch 4 in todays game. Ryan Anderson is the closest thing we have to Peja and Anderson plays the 4.

Peja was on another level compared to Ryno, at least early Peja, Anderson is like New Orleans' Stojakovic
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Re: Jonathan Isaac... as a Center? 

Post#36 » by Rockmaninoff » Fri May 19, 2017 11:25 pm

I've got Isaac in the 68 percentile of cumulative size measurements of NBA players over over the past 17 years. I think he's around average 4 size based upon that.

He could play some minutes at 3 or 5, but he's probably primarily a 4.
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Re: Jonathan Isaac... as a Center? 

Post#37 » by Swish4 » Sun May 21, 2017 3:08 am

Poor man's Kevin Garnett
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Re: Jonathan Isaac... as a Center? 

Post#38 » by Rockmaninoff » Sun May 21, 2017 4:41 am

Maybe a young Kirilenko with a better jumper?
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Re: Jonathan Isaac... as a Center? 

Post#39 » by BdeRegt » Tue May 23, 2017 6:09 pm

I think he is used very similar to Draymond Green where he is PF most of the time but plays C some. I think he goes so high because of Draymond actually because the appeal of someone like him is he has the potential to be able to guard 1-5. I don't know if he will get there but the hope when drafting him is that he can. I personally hope he ends up on the Wolves. The front court for future is Wiggins/Isaac/KAT. You can decide who is C between Isaac and KAT in that lineup. I don't think it really matters as they will switch a lot.
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Re: Jonathan Isaac... as a Center? 

Post#40 » by PickMeUpASixer » Tue May 23, 2017 10:11 pm

Matchup dependent Against bigger, traditional rebounding 5s I feel he wouldn't be able to boxout/clear the glass, but when teams go small against you, you can take it to the next level and play him at center.

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