Who has a bigger chance to become solid shooter: Jackson or Fox?

Damkac · Post #1 » by **Damkac** » Sat May 20, 2017 6:55 am

Shooting is the biggest flaw of those two players. Who you think has a bigger chance to improve it and become solid shooter?

Josh Jackson
.378 3P% (1.0/2.6)
.566 FT% (2.8/4.9)

De'Aaron Fox
.246 3P% (0.5/1.9)
.736 FT% (4.3/5.9)

agentofatlas · Post #2 » by **agentofatlas** » Sat May 20, 2017 7:03 am

Fox cause I like his form more.

Kalela · Post #3 » by **Kalela** » Sat May 20, 2017 8:50 am

Chris76 · Post #4 » by **Chris76** » Sun May 21, 2017 1:41 am

agentofatlas wrote:Fox cause I like his form more.

Fox's form does look good. In his last few games, he seemed to shoot a lot better than his numbers show. Also, He does create good midrange looks for himself. He seems to shoot well thru contact and on the move. A more athletic tony parker, If he improves his passing and assists. Unfortunately, jackson's form seems a little unnatural and he may need to change something. But, both have high energy and should be very good prospects.

SBM · Post #5 » by **SBM** » Sun May 21, 2017 3:32 pm

Fox is already a solid shooter

Post #6 » by **Duke4life831** » Sun May 21, 2017 4:06 pm

Id go with Jackson. He has a much better natural shooting touch from 3.

Kolkmania · Post #7 » by **Kolkmania** » Mon May 22, 2017 1:24 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:Id go with Jackson. He has a much better natural shooting touch from 3.

Based on? Fox was the better three point shooter in high school, 60 or 90 3PA is such an incredibly small sample size.

kobe_vs_jordan · Post #8 » by **kobe_vs_jordan** » Mon May 22, 2017 5:11 pm

Kolkmania wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:Id go with Jackson. He has a much better natural shooting touch from 3.

Based on? Fox was the better three point shooter in high school, 60 or 90 3PA is such an incredibly small sample size.

Big jump from the high school and NBA 3 point range. Even then with sample size, look at their stat spilts. Josh Jackson got better at shooting the 3 where as De'Aaron Fox really only had one good month shooting the 3.

Kolkmania · Post #9 » by **Kolkmania** » Mon May 22, 2017 5:25 pm

Wasabi_Johnson wrote:
Kolkmania wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:Id go with Jackson. He has a much better natural shooting touch from 3.

Based on? Fox was the better three point shooter in high school, 60 or 90 3PA is such an incredibly small sample size.

Big jump from the high school and NBA 3 point range. Even then with sample size, look at their stat spilts. Josh Jackson got better at shooting the 3 where as De'Aaron Fox really only had one good month shooting the 3.

Jump between high school and college is one foot, jump between college and NBA is roughly 3 foot. So after all the high school three pointer should correlate better with college, than college with NBA.

Also Jackson ended the season with a hotstreak, but so did Fox. He shot 47.4% in his last 10 games. Both samples sizes are way too small to conclude anything though.

kobe_vs_jordan · Post #10 » by **kobe_vs_jordan** » Mon May 22, 2017 5:44 pm

Kolkmania wrote:
Wasabi_Johnson wrote:
Kolkmania wrote:
Based on? Fox was the better three point shooter in high school, 60 or 90 3PA is such an incredibly small sample size.

Big jump from the high school and NBA 3 point range. Even then with sample size, look at their stat spilts. Josh Jackson got better at shooting the 3 where as De'Aaron Fox really only had one good month shooting the 3.

Jump between high school and college is one foot, jump between college and NBA is roughly 3 foot. So after all the high school three pointer should correlate better with college, than college with NBA.

Also Jackson ended the season with a hotstreak, but so did Fox. He shot 47.4% in his last 10 games. Both samples sizes are way too small to conclude anything though.

The topic is about what they will do in the NBA , comparing what the shot in high school seem like the least important .

You have Fox.
November: 2/15 13%
December: 2/13 15%
January: 3/13 23%
February: 3/12 25%
March: 7/16 44%

Jackson:
November: 5/17 29%
December: 2/9 22%
January: 10/26 39%
February: 11/23 48%
March: 6/15 40%

Looking at the splits. It seems that Jackson is the better and more confident shooter. Fox hotstreak at the end was the only time he shot well from deep all season.

Kolkmania · Post #11 » by **Kolkmania** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:01 pm

Wasabi_Johnson wrote:
Kolkmania wrote:
Wasabi_Johnson wrote:Big jump from the high school and NBA 3 point range. Even then with sample size, look at their stat spilts. Josh Jackson got better at shooting the 3 where as De'Aaron Fox really only had one good month shooting the 3.

Jump between high school and college is one foot, jump between college and NBA is roughly 3 foot. So after all the high school three pointer should correlate better with college, than college with NBA.

Also Jackson ended the season with a hotstreak, but so did Fox. He shot 47.4% in his last 10 games. Both samples sizes are way too small to conclude anything though.

The topic is about what they will do in the NBA , comparing what the shot in high school seem like the least important .

You have Fox.
November: 2/15 13%
December: 2/13 15%
January: 3/13 23%
February: 3/12 25%
March: 7/16 44%

Jackson:
November: 5/17 29%
December: 2/9 22%
January: 10/26 39%
February: 11/23 48%
March: 6/15 40%

Looking at the splits. It seems that Jackson is the better and more confident shooter. Fox hotstreak at the end was the only time he shot well from deep all season.

So you really think that hitting 171 shots on 502 attempts in high school (maxpreps.com) is less relevant than hitting just 17/69 at Kentucky? FT% and shooting form also speaks in Fox' advantage.

kobe_vs_jordan · Post #12 » by **kobe_vs_jordan** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:47 pm

Kolkmania wrote:
Wasabi_Johnson wrote:
Kolkmania wrote:
Jump between high school and college is one foot, jump between college and NBA is roughly 3 foot. So after all the high school three pointer should correlate better with college, than college with NBA.

Also Jackson ended the season with a hotstreak, but so did Fox. He shot 47.4% in his last 10 games. Both samples sizes are way too small to conclude anything though.

The topic is about what they will do in the NBA , comparing what the shot in high school seem like the least important .

You have Fox.
November: 2/15 13%
December: 2/13 15%
January: 3/13 23%
February: 3/12 25%
March: 7/16 44%

Jackson:
November: 5/17 29%
December: 2/9 22%
January: 10/26 39%
February: 11/23 48%
March: 6/15 40%

Looking at the splits. It seems that Jackson is the better and more confident shooter. Fox hotstreak at the end was the only time he shot well from deep all season.

So you really think that hitting 171 shots on 502 attempts in high school (maxpreps.com) is less relevant than hitting just 17/69 at Kentucky? FT% and shooting form also speaks in Fox' advantage.

Yes is less relevant against even less relevant competition. A playing being a 34% 3 point shooter in high school is why you think Fox would be the better shooter in the pros? Josh Jackson shooting has improved dramatically from the last two years while Fox has remained stagnant at best.

BillyKingGM · Post #13 » by **BillyKingGM** » Mon May 22, 2017 7:19 pm

get your own thread topic:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1553143

OrlandoDream · Post #14 » by **OrlandoDream** » Mon May 22, 2017 8:07 pm

Both players ended the year shooting much better. Fox's mechanics are better. If you look at his form, its not broke. He actually has a decent form for an NBA PG. I've been saying for months that he reminds me of a rookie Conley. Not known to be a volume 3PT shooter but has solid mechanics that will be worked on at the NBA level with professional help and will eventually have a solid shot.

Jackson's shot will require the most work but he does so many other things right that it's hard to knock on him. He also shot the ball much better to end the year and improved in a very short period of time.

I think they will both be good shooters in the future.

Rockmaninoff · Post #15 » by **Rockmaninoff** » Mon May 22, 2017 8:22 pm

I think the stats support Jackson as an already capable shooter of open catch and shoot 3s.

EvanZ · Post #16 » by **EvanZ** » Mon May 22, 2017 9:15 pm

Rockmaninoff wrote:I think the stats support Jackson as an already capable shooter of open catch and shoot 3s.

Small sample size, and his abysmal 55% FT shooting negates that anyway.

CptCrunch · Post #17 » by **CptCrunch** » Tue May 23, 2017 1:43 am

People do realize that Jackson and Fox play different positions right? Trying to figure out which of them shot worse/better in college is kinda pointless. Both of them sucked.

If Jackson gets an an NBA average jump shot, he becomes a star.

Fox is a PG; he needs to be an elite shooter among all NBA players to succeed in the NBA, since you know guards shooter better on average.

It will take a lot more work/luck/development for Fox to gain a respectable PG level shot than it is for Jackson to get a SF level shot. Some guys just suck at free throw shooting like Trevor Ariza, but he has that 3 point corner shot down (40%+).