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Who DONT you like as an NBA player? 

Post#1 » by doordoor123 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:50 am

Couple of mine with explanations

Sterling Brown: He's a slow undersized 3 and his lack of athleticism makes his great length useless. I also don't think he's going to be able to create space unless it's with a mismatch.

Thomas Bryant: I don't think he's going to get better defensively and he's a huge liability being on the floor if he's not scoring one night. He needs to become an elite scorer to make it because he isn't a good passer.

Tony Bradley: Good offensive rebounder, but he's not quick enough for NBA and he has too much to learn. I think he's too big of a project and generally not quick enough to do much at the next level.

Monte Morris: Great playmaker, but he's older and I've seen a lot of playmakers that aren't too athletic fail or at least stay on the fringe of the D-League and NBA. I don't have faith that his shot will get better.

Wesley Iwundu: He's diverse, but I don't think he's athletic enough by NBA standards, I don't think his handle is strong enough and I don't think he fixes his shot. He's also older.

Frank Mason III: Great scorer, but I worry about his passing ability. If he isn't making his shots, what is he doing on the floor to make up for it. His size limits him and I'm not convinced he'll be able to defend or rebound at the same rate as he did in college. I've seen too many undersized scorers not make it into the league because they don't do anything else.
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Post#2 » by dukes_wild » Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:26 am

Bryant
Bradley
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Dillon Brooks
Alec Peters

To me those are the guys we'll hear of for like 2-3 years, but once their rookie contracts expired they will vanish to Europe or just D-League fodder for years. I think Bradley might stick as a rebounding specialist who can just lay wood on people as a screener for 15 minutes per game, still don't like his game in today's NBA though
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Post#3 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:20 am

Lonzo Ball: Call me crazy, but I think he's going to have problems with his limited ball handling, poor defense and his shot off the dribble isn't good enough. I also think if he gets drafted by LA it will be devastating to his career with how much pressure he'll be under.

OG Anunoby: He has all the physical and athletic tools, but I don't see enough skills to make it work in the NBA.

Terrance Ferguson: Doesn't have a strong enough frame. Not a good enough ball handler. Inconsistent shooting. No mid-range game.

Luke Kennard: Not athletic or big enough. Doesn't elevate enough on his jump shots. Not strong enough. He won't be able to get his shot off against NBA defenders.
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Post#4 » by Hoopz Afrik » Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:26 pm

Jarrett Allen rubs me the wrong way because he doesn't play like he cares enough. I'm hoping I'm just exaggerating because I really do want him to do well.

Tony Bradley has Noah Vonleh 2.0 written all over him. Thought he was overrated coming into college and really wouldn't be anywhere on my draft board.
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Post#5 » by SBM » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:15 pm

Ball: Even if he is Rubio its a fail and that is his ceiling.
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Post#6 » by azcatz11 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:17 pm

SBM wrote:Ball: Even if he is Rubio its a fail and that is his ceiling.


Preach, brother.
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Post#7 » by Ruzious » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:37 pm

azcatz11 wrote:
SBM wrote:Ball: Even if he is Rubio its a fail and that is his ceiling.


Preach, brother.

I'm not sure how you guys come to that conclusion. He didn't just make over 40% of his 3's; he made 73% of his 2's... as a freshman. And you guys apparently are convinced he can't shoot in the NBA. Not to mention that he led the NCAA in assists and a had a better than 3 to 1 A/TO ratio. That's the Rubio as a ceiling part, I guess.

I don't like Ike - the UCLA center. At best, he becomes an Ian Mahinmi type, imo, and that'll likely be when it's time for his 2nd NBA contract.
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Post#8 » by azcatz11 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:44 pm

Ruzious wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
SBM wrote:Ball: Even if he is Rubio its a fail and that is his ceiling.


Preach, brother.

I'm not sure how you guys come to that conclusion. He didn't just make over 40% of his 3's; he made 73% of his 2's... as a freshman. And you guys apparently are convinced he can't shoot in the NBA. Not to mention that he led the NCAA in assists and a had a better than 3 to 1 A/TO ratio. That's the Rubio as a ceiling part, I guess.


Since when do college stats translate to the NBA game? You can reference any stats you want...I am not convinced he can create by himself which is essential for a PG in today's game. He is also slow laterally and not a great athlete.

He will be a solid guard for years because he's smart and will learn how to manipulate the game but he is not a star.
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Post#9 » by Ruzious » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:48 pm

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Ruzious wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
Preach, brother.

I'm not sure how you guys come to that conclusion. He didn't just make over 40% of his 3's; he made 73% of his 2's... as a freshman. And you guys apparently are convinced he can't shoot in the NBA. Not to mention that he led the NCAA in assists and a had a better than 3 to 1 A/TO ratio. That's the Rubio as a ceiling part, I guess.


Since when do college stats translate to the NBA game? You can reference any stats you want...I am not convinced he can create by himself which is essential for a PG in today's game. He is also slow laterally and not a great athlete.

He will be a solid guard for years because he's smart and will learn how to manipulate the game but he is not a star.

They don't necesarily translate, but when a player has been that good as a freshman... and I think his shooting percentages have been historically good for a freshman PG... it's hard to understand the comment that his ceiling is a guy who's been a terrible shooter in the NBA. The good thing is, we'll get to see, and we can look back on this thread.
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Post#10 » by azcatz11 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:52 pm

Ruzious wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:I'm not sure how you guys come to that conclusion. He didn't just make over 40% of his 3's; he made 73% of his 2's... as a freshman. And you guys apparently are convinced he can't shoot in the NBA. Not to mention that he led the NCAA in assists and a had a better than 3 to 1 A/TO ratio. That's the Rubio as a ceiling part, I guess.


Since when do college stats translate to the NBA game? You can reference any stats you want...I am not convinced he can create by himself which is essential for a PG in today's game. He is also slow laterally and not a great athlete.

He will be a solid guard for years because he's smart and will learn how to manipulate the game but he is not a star.

They don't necesarily translate, but when a player has been that good as a freshman... and I think his shooting percentages have been historically good for a freshman PG... it's hard to understand the comment that his ceiling is a guy who's been a terrible shooter in the NBA. The good thing is, we'll get to see, and we can look back on this thread.


Do you think he will be able to create off the dribble?
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Post#11 » by Ruzious » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:54 pm

LeBron_da_Don wrote:Jarrett Allen rubs me the wrong way because he doesn't play like he cares enough. I'm hoping I'm just exaggerating because I really do want him to do well.

Tony Bradley has Noah Vonleh 2.0 written all over him. Thought he was overrated coming into college and really wouldn't be anywhere on my draft board.

I agree on Allen but not on Bradley. I do wish Bradley jumped better, but I think he'll be a good athlete when/if he gets in better shape. He's a huge guy with great length and is a great offensive rebounder and has a nice touch. I think he's underrated.
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Post#12 » by SBM » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:57 pm

When I say Ball is Rubio at best its because so-called pure PG's have not been very successful in the NBA for over a decade. Rubio has combo guard size but not game. I also dont think he can take a game over offensively.
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Post#13 » by Ruzious » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:05 pm

azcatz11 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
Since when do college stats translate to the NBA game? You can reference any stats you want...I am not convinced he can create by himself which is essential for a PG in today's game. He is also slow laterally and not a great athlete.

He will be a solid guard for years because he's smart and will learn how to manipulate the game but he is not a star.

They don't necesarily translate, but when a player has been that good as a freshman... and I think his shooting percentages have been historically good for a freshman PG... it's hard to understand the comment that his ceiling is a guy who's been a terrible shooter in the NBA. The good thing is, we'll get to see, and we can look back on this thread.


Do you think he will be able to create off the dribble?

He's more of a ball-movement guy than a 1 on 1 player and doesn't rely on a mid-range game, but that's what the NBA's gone to - 3's and easy baskets around the hoop. He definitely creates for his teammates off the dribble, and he can finish. If you're looking for a Westbrook type, he's not your guy.
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Post#14 » by azcatz11 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:15 pm

Ruzious wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:They don't necesarily translate, but when a player has been that good as a freshman... and I think his shooting percentages have been historically good for a freshman PG... it's hard to understand the comment that his ceiling is a guy who's been a terrible shooter in the NBA. The good thing is, we'll get to see, and we can look back on this thread.


Do you think he will be able to create off the dribble?

He's more of a ball-movement guy than a 1 on 1 player and doesn't rely on a mid-range game, but that's what the NBA's gone to - 3's and easy baskets around the hoop. He definitely creates for his teammates off the dribble, and he can finish. If you're looking for a Westbrook type, he's not your guy.


Correct - 3's and your PG's ability to make them off the bounce along with catch & shoot is critical. I do not believe he can do the former and I question his shooting motion to hit the latter with consistency. No doubt he can create for his teammates, he is elite there. And he can for sure finish. I just do not want a modern day poor man's Jason Kidd running my team.

We will agree to disagree sir.
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Post#15 » by dukes_wild » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:20 pm

Lonzo's off-ball potential will always make him a way better player than Rubio, really don't like that comparison
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Post#16 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:39 pm

I think Lonzo is going to be a really bad defender, bullied by SG and crossed over by PG. And I think he is only going to be efficient scoring on the break and with a set 3PT shot. The main issue is that he cant create off the dribble and score, and with the wind-up in his shot, I cant see him ever becoming a good pull up jumpshooter. He simply isn't a guy that can be seen as a first option so if your taking him, its to be, ideally, the 3rd wheel in a 'big 3' IMO. I think his ceiling is similar to Doc Rivers honestly, with less proficient assist numbers and more 3PT shooting (Mostly due to the difference in era).
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Post#17 » by Ruzious » Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:35 pm

azcatz11 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
Do you think he will be able to create off the dribble?

He's more of a ball-movement guy than a 1 on 1 player and doesn't rely on a mid-range game, but that's what the NBA's gone to - 3's and easy baskets around the hoop. He definitely creates for his teammates off the dribble, and he can finish. If you're looking for a Westbrook type, he's not your guy.


Correct - 3's and your PG's ability to make them off the bounce along with catch & shoot is critical. I do not believe he can do the former and I question his shooting motion to hit the latter with consistency. No doubt he can create for his teammates, he is elite there. And he can for sure finish. I just do not want a modern day poor man's Jason Kidd running my team.

We will agree to disagree sir.

That's a good post, and a lot of people agree with you. There's nobody like him, so it'll be interesting to see if he does succeed. Of course, his father could be a real problem.
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Post#18 » by Lalouie » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:54 am

Fultz,,, he's disengaged and gets bored,,,, and btw a proven loser
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Post#19 » by Klomp » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:12 am

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Post#20 » by yanuary » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:21 am

Definitely Ferguson. He literally cant play basketball!
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