The-Power wrote:Alatan wrote:Sorry, was just trying to make a joke. Didnt mean to insult you.
Havent really noticed that JJJ and Mikal were higher than the consensus as i am high on them too and have seen other mocks where they are 3-4 and around 7-8.
It's all good my man and I didn't feel insulted. I probably reacted too harshly, and I'm sorry for that. Sometimes it gets tiring to justify your picks over and over again, and you are prone to have little patience in situations in which you should have a bit more.
But since we're already talking: where do you rank Markkanen? I was relatively high on him before the draft but not to an unusual extent (had him at 6-7 right there with Isaac iirc) and only thought of him as a potential franchise changer – instead of 'merely' a valuable piece – after what he did with Finland. Then he went on to impress during Summer League and with the Bulls, so that I continued to be high on him. Where would you take him in a re-draft, and where would he go this year for you (knowing what we already know of him)?
I am constantly up and down on him. Sometimes i think he can be a new Dirk and sometimes i think he is just another good stretch big. I wasnt that high on him before the European championship, partly because i didnt watch to much of him at college. But what i saw when he played for Finland got me really excited. Since then he had some good games but i havent really been satisfied. He is a little to passive. Id like him to create his shot more but maybe its just the system. There is a lot of time still for him to show what he can do.
In a redraft id have him in top 5 for 2017. Mitchell, Tatum, Fultz, Isaac, Markkanen, Kuzma and Jackson.
In a combined redraft it would be someting like Mithcell, Bamba, Tatum, Fultz, Isaac, JJJ, Markkanen,, Kuzma, Bagley, Mikal, Porter, Young, Doncic, JJ, Ayton.
Havent really thought this through but something like that based on combination of floor and potential colored by my own bias.
Im not that high on either Ayton or Doncic. The first because of BBIQ the second because of athleticism and playstyle.
Bagleys shots doesnt look dynamic to me and his handles are very shaky. Thats not great in combination with his lacking D. His athleticism and motor always makes me question his potential but i just dont like one way players that cant shoot or dribble at a good level.
Porter looks more like Gallinari than KD and has had a big injury.
Young is a bit too small and has a low release point but could end up being a new Nash type player.
Mikal is good but i dont think he has much more potential to improve. A very valuable player but not a cornerstone of a rebuild. Isaac and JJJ are similar in potential but i think Isaac has more offensive potential. Both could end up being really good two way players and i expect them to be similar or better than Horford.
Fultz could be really good if he gets his shot back and tightens his handles.
Tatum looks like a stud. PG13 is my comparison for him with better offense and worse defense.
Mitchell is my favorite player and i think he is future superstar. There is nothing he cant do. Scoring, defending, facilitating, playing off ball. Everything.
Im a big believer in Bamba and think he could be a two way force if he gets some muscle and realizes that no one can block any shot he takes, be it at the rim or a jump shot. He even flashed decent handles.
Kuzma looks like a great scorer but his D is not great and i dont know how much better can he be.
JJ looks like a nice player but the lack of shooting and personality issues turn me down.
I've thought the same thing, the three of us always seem to have similar lists, mostly because we have similar ideas of which kinds of players are the most impactful in the NBA. Which explains why we're not high on the De'Aaron Fox/Collin Sexton type prospects but really like guys like Bridges despite the lack of shot creation ability that steers teams drafting in the top 6-7 away.
