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Post#861 » by bearadonisdna » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:26 pm

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King Ken wrote:As someone who didn't like Evan Turner as a prospect like that and really don't like Jarrett Culver like that. Barrett is nothing like them. R.J. is more like a less polished and a lesser Luka Doncic with more defensive potential chops and obvious speed.

R.J. will put up numbers from the jump as a three prong.


Doncic can hit a 3, and free throws, Barrett cannot. Your post is just laughably dumb.

Turner or Tyreke Evans is a good comparison to Barrett, all don't have a jump shot and way overhyped.


You're not really an established poster but your comparison are obtuse and lack substance if you think Turner or Evans in even in the same stratosphere as prospects

1. Turner was a 3 year player. RJ talented enough to be 1 and done.

2 Evans) 1 year player at C-USA with below 50% efg.
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Post#862 » by Chanel Bomber » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:36 am

Is there a precedent for a high pick known for his drive and work ethic (in addition to being a productive college player) turning into a bust?

By all accounts he's a really hard worker and it's obvious he's a very ambitious kid, and not enough attention is paid to character when it comes to draft evaluations. But it would be interesting to know if any prospects with a similar profile in terms of intangibles ever flamed out.
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Post#863 » by King Ken » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:10 am

Chanel Bomber wrote:Is there a precedent for a high pick known for his drive and work ethic (in addition to being a productive college player) turning into a bust?

By all accounts he's a really hard worker and it's obvious he's a very ambitious kid, and not enough attention is paid to character when it comes to draft evaluations. But it would be interesting to know if any prospects with a similar profile in terms of intangibles ever flamed out.

No. Not his level of polish. If anything he could be a disappointment but he wouldn't be the first Knick to be that.

If the Knicks build around him and not just build to build, they will be fine.
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Post#864 » by Prospect Dong » Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:16 am

Chanel Bomber wrote:Is there a precedent for a high pick known for his drive and work ethic (in addition to being a productive college player) turning into a bust?

By all accounts he's a really hard worker and it's obvious he's a very ambitious kid, and not enough attention is paid to character when it comes to draft evaluations. But it would be interesting to know if any prospects with a similar profile in terms of intangibles ever flamed out.


Just about every player taken in the lotto has workedincredibly hard to get that far - with some notable exceptions, mostly tall guys with little love for the game). Obviously, now that you've drafted Barrett, you're hearing stories about how much time he spends in the gym, etc, and I'm sure they're mostly true, but almost every other young player has similar stories that could be told about them. We used to have LilOjMayo on our board regaling us with stories about how hard OJ was working every offseason, and every spare minute during the season. But it didn't take. "He works hard and he really wants to succeed" doesn't really differentiate him from hundreds of prospects before him. Some of them ended up as busts, not because they didn't want it enough, but because they just didn't have enough talent.
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Post#865 » by rate_ » Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:29 am

Among the lottery picks, I see Zion, Ja, Garland, Rui, & Herro better.
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Post#866 » by Nazrmohamed » Sat Jul 27, 2019 8:01 pm

bearadonisdna wrote:
orlandomanic wrote:
King Ken wrote:As someone who didn't like Evan Turner as a prospect like that and really don't like Jarrett Culver like that. Barrett is nothing like them. R.J. is more like a less polished and a lesser Luka Doncic with more defensive potential chops and obvious speed.

R.J. will put up numbers from the jump as a three prong.


Doncic can hit a 3, and free throws, Barrett cannot. Your post is just laughably dumb.

Turner or Tyreke Evans is a good comparison to Barrett, all don't have a jump shot and way overhyped.


You're not really an established poster but your comparison are obtuse and lack substance if you think Turner or Evans in even in the same stratosphere as prospects

1. Turner was a 3 year player. RJ talented enough to be 1 and done.

2 Evans) 1 year player at C-USA with below 50% efg.


Mightve been better. I think you're playing Monday morning quarterback on that one. Not to say thier skillsets are close, actually Turner when he was drafted....pretty close. Evan's was a damn good prospect and then came in and got ROTY so you tell me how he wasnt a gradeA prospect?

That's not to say I dont believe in RJ but I dont see him having the first year impact of Evan's and could have about the same impact as Turner. I just feel that hes got a fire that Turner doesnt seem to have so I'm confident he'll get better year over year. Problem is hes playing for the most impatient fanbases and media in the league. Yet we keep drafting 19yr olds who need time. Knicks are not beyond giving up on 21yr olds and trading them for quick fix bums and starting them on that long trade road that solidifies thier bust likelyhood. I guess we'll see.

But my point is just, dont look at the final result of players who've failed and assume it couldn't happen to a kid who hasnt played anyone who matters yet. If he were superbly athletic or was a phenomenal shooter you could make a better case. But I dont think the Turner comparisons are crazy. Sometimes someone can be a player on steroids moreso than a superstar-lite and have it work out better. Let's have some patience
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Post#867 » by kulaz3000 » Fri Aug 9, 2019 6:26 am

King Ken wrote:As someone who didn't like Evan Turner as a prospect like that and really don't like Jarrett Culver like that. Barrett is nothing like them. R.J. is more like a less polished and a lesser Luka Doncic with more defensive potential chops and obvious speed.

R.J. will put up numbers from the jump as a three prong.


I don't see this 'obvious speed' you're referring to.

He isn't slow, but you don't watch him on the break and think to yourself, this kid has lots of speed and explosion. If anything, that is one of the glaring reasons as to why I don't think he'll ever be as good as many think. His lack of explosiveness and speed on the fast break (especially with the ball) was quite frankly alarming for someone as highly touted as he was.
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Post#868 » by kulaz3000 » Fri Aug 9, 2019 6:30 am

Prospect Dong wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:Is there a precedent for a high pick known for his drive and work ethic (in addition to being a productive college player) turning into a bust?

By all accounts he's a really hard worker and it's obvious he's a very ambitious kid, and not enough attention is paid to character when it comes to draft evaluations. But it would be interesting to know if any prospects with a similar profile in terms of intangibles ever flamed out.


Just about every player taken in the lotto has workedincredibly hard to get that far - with some notable exceptions, mostly tall guys with little love for the game). Obviously, now that you've drafted Barrett, you're hearing stories about how much time he spends in the gym, etc, and I'm sure they're mostly true, but almost every other young player has similar stories that could be told about them. We used to have LilOjMayo on our board regaling us with stories about how hard OJ was working every offseason, and every spare minute during the season. But it didn't take. "He works hard and he really wants to succeed" doesn't really differentiate him from hundreds of prospects before him. Some of them ended up as busts, not because they didn't want it enough, but because they just didn't have enough talent.


Spot on. In many respects, most of the players who end up in the NBA have been hardworkers, were determined to get there, because you need to be one of the small group of elite players to join the NBA club. It's a matter of whether he can outwork even the elite of the elite, and we just don't that yet.
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Post#869 » by King Ken » Fri Aug 9, 2019 12:13 pm

kulaz3000 wrote:
King Ken wrote:As someone who didn't like Evan Turner as a prospect like that and really don't like Jarrett Culver like that. Barrett is nothing like them. R.J. is more like a less polished and a lesser Luka Doncic with more defensive potential chops and obvious speed.

R.J. will put up numbers from the jump as a three prong.


I don't see this 'obvious speed' you're referring to.

He isn't slow, but you don't watch him on the break and think to yourself, this kid has lots of speed and explosion. If anything, that is one of the glaring reasons as to why I don't think he'll ever be as good as many think. His lack of explosiveness and speed on the fast break (especially with the ball) was quite frankly alarming for someone as highly touted as he was.

Open court speed. R.J. is as fast as anyone in the open court across the NBA, especially for his size.

Explosion, no. Speed, yes. In the half court, he is still fast if he can get moving.
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Post#870 » by Ruzious » Fri Aug 9, 2019 3:54 pm

Nazrmohamed wrote:
bearadonisdna wrote:
orlandomanic wrote:
Doncic can hit a 3, and free throws, Barrett cannot. Your post is just laughably dumb.

Turner or Tyreke Evans is a good comparison to Barrett, all don't have a jump shot and way overhyped.


You're not really an established poster but your comparison are obtuse and lack substance if you think Turner or Evans in even in the same stratosphere as prospects

1. Turner was a 3 year player. RJ talented enough to be 1 and done.

2 Evans) 1 year player at C-USA with below 50% efg.


Mightve been better. I think you're playing Monday morning quarterback on that one. Not to say thier skillsets are close, actually Turner when he was drafted....pretty close. Evan's was a damn good prospect and then came in and got ROTY so you tell me how he wasnt a gradeA prospect?

That's not to say I dont believe in RJ but I dont see him having the first year impact of Evan's and could have about the same impact as Turner. I just feel that hes got a fire that Turner doesnt seem to have so I'm confident he'll get better year over year. Problem is hes playing for the most impatient fanbases and media in the league. Yet we keep drafting 19yr olds who need time. Knicks are not beyond giving up on 21yr olds and trading them for quick fix bums and starting them on that long trade road that solidifies thier bust likelyhood. I guess we'll see.

But my point is just, dont look at the final result of players who've failed and assume it couldn't happen to a kid who hasnt played anyone who matters yet. If he were superbly athletic or was a phenomenal shooter you could make a better case. But I dont think the Turner comparisons are crazy. Sometimes someone can be a player on steroids moreso than a superstar-lite and have it work out better. Let's have some patience

He's a better prospect than Turner, because he's physically stronger and better able to play through contact at both ends, but... other than that, I don't see much difference as far as NBA skills and physical ability. His shot selection is worse. His shot will have to improve dramatically for him to be particularly effective in the NBA, and I'd be surprised if that happens.
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Post#871 » by clyde21 » Fri Aug 9, 2019 4:12 pm

well, that, and Barrett at 18 was a MUCH better player than Turner at 18, so he's already ahead of that curve.
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Post#872 » by Nazrmohamed » Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:15 am

Ruzious wrote:
Nazrmohamed wrote:
bearadonisdna wrote:
You're not really an established poster but your comparison are obtuse and lack substance if you think Turner or Evans in even in the same stratosphere as prospects

1. Turner was a 3 year player. RJ talented enough to be 1 and done.

2 Evans) 1 year player at C-USA with below 50% efg.


Mightve been better. I think you're playing Monday morning quarterback on that one. Not to say thier skillsets are close, actually Turner when he was drafted....pretty close. Evan's was a damn good prospect and then came in and got ROTY so you tell me how he wasnt a gradeA prospect?

That's not to say I dont believe in RJ but I dont see him having the first year impact of Evan's and could have about the same impact as Turner. I just feel that hes got a fire that Turner doesnt seem to have so I'm confident he'll get better year over year. Problem is hes playing for the most impatient fanbases and media in the league. Yet we keep drafting 19yr olds who need time. Knicks are not beyond giving up on 21yr olds and trading them for quick fix bums and starting them on that long trade road that solidifies thier bust likelyhood. I guess we'll see.

But my point is just, dont look at the final result of players who've failed and assume it couldn't happen to a kid who hasnt played anyone who matters yet. If he were superbly athletic or was a phenomenal shooter you could make a better case. But I dont think the Turner comparisons are crazy. Sometimes someone can be a player on steroids moreso than a superstar-lite and have it work out better. Let's have some patience

He's a better prospect than Turner, because he's physically stronger and better able to play through contact at both ends, but... other than that, I don't see much difference as far as NBA skills and physical ability. His shot selection is worse. His shot will have to improve dramatically for him to be particularly effective in the NBA, and I'd be surprised if that happens.


I also think hes faster, at least in the open court. But I agree with what you said.
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Post#873 » by VanWest82 » Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:55 am

Pretty good article on how RJ needs to change his game to fit in with the Knicks and be a successful NBA player: https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/8/8/20756167/rj-barrett-new-york-knicks

The good and bad of RJ Barrett was on display at Las Vegas summer league. Barrett, who was called “Maple Mamba” as a teenager in Canada, played like a bad parody of Kobe Bryant in his first two games with the Knicks. The no. 3 pick forced the issue on offense and hunted for his own shot without any regard for his teammates. He was a different player in their last three games: He played within himself, moved the ball, and took what the defense gave him.

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