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Re: De'Andre Hunter 

Post#81 » by Stillwater » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:28 am

King Ken wrote:He is going to workout for CLE next week

good hopefully that will seal it for them to not take his overrated ass.
He is a lockdown defender with some decent mid range moves and shot a high % at a low attempt rate, overall has no ability to create , poor ballhandler,cannot finish well. I wouldn't draft him at the begining of a rebuild unless I wanted a tank commander
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Re: De'Andre Hunter 

Post#82 » by GimmeDat » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:08 am

I agree about his limitations, but I only think he's a 'non-creator' in the initiator sense, but he has some decent OTD shooting ability and has some solid mid-post moves. I like his form and I think he can improve his 3pt volume, but I am somewhat concerned about the cumbersome release, at least insofar as he plays the 3 spot. If you look just at the 3pt% I think it's misleading in terms of his actual gravity/impact as a shooter.
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Re: De'Andre Hunter 

Post#83 » by GeorgeMarcus » Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:37 am

Mark my words, Hunter is going to be a good player.
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Re: De'Andre Hunter 

Post#84 » by Billy Goat » Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:10 pm

A player the Knicks should draft but will fall for the volume scorer again (Barrett)
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Re: De'Andre Hunter 

Post#85 » by Stillwater » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:05 pm

GimmeDat wrote:I agree about his limitations, but I only think he's a 'non-creator' in the initiator sense, but he has some decent OTD shooting ability and has some solid mid-post moves. I like his form and I think he can improve his 3pt volume, but I am somewhat concerned about the cumbersome release, at least insofar as he plays the 3 spot. If you look just at the 3pt% I think it's misleading in terms of his actual gravity/impact as a shooter.

He's primarily going to be in a pf role in most sets due to his subpar dribbling and lack of shake. I cannot see him being successful in the NBA playing the 3 at all. In some offenses sure, but not most.
As far as his defense yep he can defend probably any position
He is a lottery lock because of elite defense serviceable scoring and imo just a simple lack of clear starter floor prospects as comps.
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Re: De'Andre Hunter 

Post#86 » by Coeur » Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:32 am

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GimmeDat wrote:I agree about his limitations, but I only think he's a 'non-creator' in the initiator sense, but he has some decent OTD shooting ability and has some solid mid-post moves. I like his form and I think he can improve his 3pt volume, but I am somewhat concerned about the cumbersome release, at least insofar as he plays the 3 spot. If you look just at the 3pt% I think it's misleading in terms of his actual gravity/impact as a shooter.

He's primarily going to be in a pf role in most sets due to his subpar dribbling and lack of shake. I cannot see him being successful in the NBA playing the 3 at all. In some offenses sure, but not most.
As far as his defense yep he can defend probably any position
He is a lottery lock because of elite defense serviceable scoring and imo just a simple lack of clear starter floor prospects as comps.

Yeah but he’s only a top ten prospect if he is an NBa 3.
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Re: De'Andre Hunter 

Post#87 » by Stillwater » Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:36 pm

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GimmeDat wrote:I agree about his limitations, but I only think he's a 'non-creator' in the initiator sense, but he has some decent OTD shooting ability and has some solid mid-post moves. I like his form and I think he can improve his 3pt volume, but I am somewhat concerned about the cumbersome release, at least insofar as he plays the 3 spot. If you look just at the 3pt% I think it's misleading in terms of his actual gravity/impact as a shooter.

He's primarily going to be in a pf role in most sets due to his subpar dribbling and lack of shake. I cannot see him being successful in the NBA playing the 3 at all. In some offenses sure, but not most.
As far as his defense yep he can defend probably any position
He is a lottery lock because of elite defense serviceable scoring and imo just a simple lack of clear starter floor prospects as comps.

Yeah but he’s only a top ten prospect if he is an NBa 3.

no if teams draft to play the 4 he is worth it at 4-8 but to play the sf role he lacks the skills offensively and isn't worth taking until much later.
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Re: De'Andre Hunter 

Post#88 » by Coeur » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:55 pm

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Coeur wrote:
Stillwater wrote:He's primarily going to be in a pf role in most sets due to his subpar dribbling and lack of shake. I cannot see him being successful in the NBA playing the 3 at all. In some offenses sure, but not most.
As far as his defense yep he can defend probably any position
He is a lottery lock because of elite defense serviceable scoring and imo just a simple lack of clear starter floor prospects as comps.

Yeah but he’s only a top ten prospect if he is an NBa 3.

no if teams draft to play the 4 he is worth it at 4-8 but to play the sf role he lacks the skills offensively and isn't worth taking until much later.

If he can’t defend nba 3’s and 2’s he isn’t a big time prospect.

I looked back and it looks like you were talking about his position as his offensive skill set
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Re: De'Andre Hunter 

Post#89 » by Stillwater » Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:43 pm

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Coeur wrote:Yeah but he’s only a top ten prospect if he is an NBa 3.

no if teams draft to play the 4 he is worth it at 4-8 but to play the sf role he lacks the skills offensively and isn't worth taking until much later.

If he can’t defend nba 3’s and 2’s he isn’t a big time prospect.

I looked back and it looks like you were talking about his position as his offensive skill set

position per say is PF in offensive sets because he lacks the tools to play the 3 at a high level.
Nobody has any reservations about his elite defense against any position.
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Re: De'Andre Hunter 

Post#90 » by tidho » Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:44 am

Stillwater wrote:position per say is PF in offensive sets because he lacks the tools to play the 3 at a high level.
Nobody has any reservations about his elite defense against any position.

he's a traditional SF rather than a point forward, that's not the end of the world
as long as you have two guys on the floor that can create, your SF doesn't have to be one of them
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Re: De'Andre Hunter 

Post#91 » by Stillwater » Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:56 am

tidho wrote:
Stillwater wrote:position per say is PF in offensive sets because he lacks the tools to play the 3 at a high level.
Nobody has any reservations about his elite defense against any position.

he's a traditional SF rather than a point forward, that's not the end of the world
as long as you have two guys on the floor that can create, your SF doesn't have to be one of them

for a team that has a veteran floor general that can get him the ball and create space sure he could be passable due his defense. good luck with that. he has a set shot like a center has no advanced iso moves to create separation and will get killed trying to attack with that sloppy handle .
i like him at the 4/5 hybrid that can defend anyone but where he can develop some better post moves and utilize his athletic ability and length offensively instead of adding skills that take years to develop at his age.
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Re: De'Andre Hunter 

Post#92 » by phraoh » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:04 pm

I totally agree with Stillwater....Hunter has a 100% chance of NOT being a star. At best he will be a decent rotation player. He needs to play power forward, yet he can't rebound or block shots or even produce steals which is unusual for his reputation. Cavs desperately need guards (they have 1 Sexton and 1 good bench guard (Clarkson) who will probably be gone at year end at the latest. I think of Culver as I do Hunter...100% chance of NOT being a star...maybe a good rotation player or marginal (ok) starter. Not athletic, not a good shooter. Hoping the Cavs pick Garland, and if not Garland, White. I think both have a "chance" to be all stars, but more important, both can shoot, are fast, and have athletic moves, and can create their own shot !! Basically, they are equipped to thrive in today's NBA.
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Re: De'Andre Hunter 

Post#93 » by drone3 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:29 pm

Hunter will be fine, could project to be an Otto Porter like player.
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Re: De'Andre Hunter 

Post#94 » by Fischella » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:49 pm

He is more like Luol Deng or DeMarre Carroll than Porter
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Post#95 » by nolang1 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:10 pm

Fischella wrote:He is more like Luol Deng or DeMarre Carroll than Porter


Luol Deng - 2 time all-star and definitely a top-5 player from his draft class. Sounds about right.
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Re: De'Andre Hunter 

Post#96 » by kuclas » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:28 pm

He won’t fall past 6. Weak draft. And he plays defense. And has long arms. Got a good looking shot. Most importantly shown he can make free throws.

Guys like josh Jackson who was suppose to be high energy but poor free throw shooter. And obviously Markell’s fultz. Ben Simmons not good free throws in college either. Horrible free throw shooters. Those are tell tell signs guys cannot develop outside shot.

Hunter looks like he can be a good 3 and D player and can guard at least 3 positions.
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Re: De'Andre Hunter 

Post#97 » by King Ken » Sun Sep 1, 2019 5:46 am

He may never put up the numbers of an elite wing but his impact could be sensational. I called him the Al Horford of wings when I created the thread at the beginning of the season and I strongly believe that he will be a top end player even if he never puts up the numbers. Too good at the little things, too good at making everyone around him better, too efficient, and too smart with an elite body of his positions.

I don't have a comparison for him, but I know any team especially winning teams will want him on their squad.
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Re: De'Andre Hunter 

Post#98 » by Roddy B for 3 » Mon Sep 2, 2019 6:21 am

Stillwater wrote:
Coeur wrote:
Stillwater wrote:no if teams draft to play the 4 he is worth it at 4-8 but to play the sf role he lacks the skills offensively and isn't worth taking until much later.

If he can’t defend nba 3’s and 2’s he isn’t a big time prospect.

I looked back and it looks like you were talking about his position as his offensive skill set

position per say is PF in offensive sets because he lacks the tools to play the 3 at a high level.
Nobody has any reservations about his elite defense against any position.


He's clearly a worker. So I would play him at the SG position. You yourself say, "Nobody has any reservations about his elite defense against any position", if all he does is shoot the three from the NBA rate at the same percentage but on higher volume. Man that's like Loul Deng at SG.
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Re: De'Andre Hunter 

Post#99 » by Ruzious » Mon Sep 2, 2019 11:58 am

Roddy B for 3 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
Coeur wrote:If he can’t defend nba 3’s and 2’s he isn’t a big time prospect.

I looked back and it looks like you were talking about his position as his offensive skill set

position per say is PF in offensive sets because he lacks the tools to play the 3 at a high level.
Nobody has any reservations about his elite defense against any position.


He's clearly a worker. So I would play him at the SG position. You yourself say, "Nobody has any reservations about his elite defense against any position", if all he does is shoot the three from the NBA rate at the same percentage but on higher volume. Man that's like Loul Deng at SG.

Hunter's so much better at shooting than Deng. Teams would dare Deng to shoot. It's such a huge difference between the 2.
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Re: De'Andre Hunter 

Post#100 » by Stillwater » Mon Sep 2, 2019 3:55 pm

Roddy B for 3 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
Coeur wrote:If he can’t defend nba 3’s and 2’s he isn’t a big time prospect.

I looked back and it looks like you were talking about his position as his offensive skill set

position per say is PF in offensive sets because he lacks the tools to play the 3 at a high level.
Nobody has any reservations about his elite defense against any position.


He's clearly a worker. So I would play him at the SG position. You yourself say, "Nobody has any reservations about his elite defense against any position", if all he does is shoot the three from the NBA rate at the same percentage but on higher volume. Man that's like Loul Deng at SG.

I will give you that, if he can run across the highway and not get struck by a semi , while doing it twice as often as he did in college for a couple seasons then sure he can be a solid catch and shoot outside threat more often than rarely when wide open.
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