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Roddy B for 3 wrote:Zion
RJ(scarcity of SG's)
Morant
Culver
Romeo Langford
Keldon Johnson
Reddish
Rui Hachimouri
Bruno Fernando(plenty of C's)
Hunter
Garland
Colby White
Tre Jones
Nassir Little
Matisse Thybulle
Brandon Clarke
Bol Bol
Okeke
Hayes
NAW
Admiral Schofield
Louis King
Taco Falls
Konote
Jontay Porter
PJ Washington
Grant Williams
Daniel Gafford
Okpala
Charles Bassey
Carson Edwards
Cassius Winston
Sekou
Herro
Goga Bitzdale
Kevin Porter Jr.
THT
Tillie
Bazley
Wilks
Dort
F.S. State Center

Keldon Johnson? Way too high. Nothing special about his game or tools that should put him in discussion for the top.10. I like your Bruno Fernando love. He's a lot better than where he's being projected on the published mocks I've seen. Tre Jones in the lottery... To put it nicely... What?!

I liked that list pretty good with the same 3 names standing out. I don’t see it in keldon Johnson. Interested in Bruno, and also not thinking tre Jones is a guy that fits where you have him, if anywhere. Specifically I looked at the next 5 or 6 you have right after tre and think they’re all levels ahead

Zion is definetly the best player in the draft.

Then there are three that I like.

Ja, Hunter and Culver. Ja is the obvious choice, and I really like Hunter.I think that he is a type of player that will stick in the league for a very long time. Maybe he won't be the 2nd or 3rd best player, but I see him being at least a great 3&D player. And that is huge IMO.

Then there is Culver. I really like him and his skillset. I see him in a Middleton role(but I think he can be better than Kris). A good player on a great team.

Then there is RJ. I see him being an inefficient chucker, and that's the kind of player I don't really like. He has great potential, but I am very skeptical about him.

I also like Thybulle, think that he will stay in the league for a long time.
And I think Goga Bitadze will suprise a lot of you guys.

And the one prospect I don't really like is Cam Reddish

1. Zion Williamson
2. Ja Morant
3. Jarrett Culver
4. DeAndre Hunter
5. R.J. Barrett
6. Bol Bol
7. Darius Garland
8. Nickeil Alexander-Walker
9. P.J. Washington
10. Brandon Clarke
11. Talen Horton-Tucker
12. Mfiondu Kabengele
13. Jaxson Hayes
14. Bruno Fernando
15. Nassir Little
16. Chuma Okeke
17. Coby White
18. Kevin Porter Jr.
19. Tyler Herro
20. Rui Hachimura

Top 4 I'm pretty set on, the rest is a bit difficult for now.

LloydFree wrote:

Roddy B for 3 wrote:Zion
RJ(scarcity of SG's)
Morant
Culver
Romeo Langford
Keldon Johnson
Reddish
Rui Hachimouri
Bruno Fernando(plenty of C's)
Hunter
Garland
Colby White
Tre Jones
Nassir Little
Matisse Thybulle
Brandon Clarke
Bol Bol
Okeke
Hayes
NAW
Admiral Schofield
Louis King
Taco Falls
Konote
Jontay Porter
PJ Washington
Grant Williams
Daniel Gafford
Okpala
Charles Bassey
Carson Edwards
Cassius Winston
Sekou
Herro
Goga Bitzdale
Kevin Porter Jr.
THT
Tillie
Bazley
Wilks
Dort
F.S. State Center

Keldon Johnson? Way too high. Nothing special about his game or tools that should put him in discussion for the top.10. I like your Bruno Fernando love. He's a lot better than where he's being projected on the published mocks I've seen. Tre Jones in the lottery... To put it nicely... What?!

History says that after the top 6 if you can get a player who can be in the rotation of a top 8 team for 5-10 years, that's an excellent value pick.

Yeah Keldon is insanley quick laterally. And is a good shooter. Keldon will come in as a + man defender. He's a fierce rebounder and he's already as physically developed as 30-40%(or more) of NBA players at 19 years old.
I think Keldon can be a rotation player for any NBA team

Bruno is big and plays hard and coordinatied so I'm glad we agree on him.
I think Bruno can play rotation minutes for probably 4 of the top 8 seeds.

Tre Jones is a fantastic defender and (as you can see with Keldon and Bruno) I really value 1-5 defense. Tre Jones couldn't shoot all year, but as soon as coach K told him if he couldn't hit there's they wouldn't being the tournament he looked himself in the gym and the next game he hit 5 threes. If Tre can be a 35% shooter from three he'll be an impact rotation player as a rookie.
I think Tre Jones can play roation minutes for any team (if he gets a consistent 3) without the three point shot I think he can play for most NBA playoff teams still (if less in the playoffs and more in the regular season)


*Just for the recoed-
I do think I should have put Garland ahead of either Langford or Bruno definitely ahead of Hunter.

top 25 in tiers.

1. Zion Williamson, PF, Duke

2. R.J. Barrett, SG, Duke
3. Ja Morant, PG, Murray St.
4. Bol Bol, C, Oregon

5. Jarrett Culver, SG/SF, Texas Tech
6. Darius Garland, PG, Vanderbilt
7. Coby White, PG, North Carolina

8. De'Andre Hunter, SF, Virginia
9. Jaxson Hayes, C, Texas
10. Kevin Porter Jr, SG, USC
11. Sekou Doumbouya, PF, Limoges
12. Brandon Clarke, PF, Gonzaga

13. Talen Horton-Tucker, SG/SF, Iowa St.
14. Tyler Herro, SG, Kentucky
15. Cameron Reddish, SF, Duke
16. Romeo Langford, SG, Indiana

17. Mfiondu Kabengele, PF/C, Florida St.
18. Killian Tillie, SF/PF, Gonzaga
19. PJ Washington, PF, Kentucky
20. Nassir Little, SF, North Carolina
21. Grant Williams, PF, Tennessee

22. Goga Bitadze, C, Mega Bemax
23. Keldon Johnson, SF/SG, Kentucky
24. Nickeil Alexander-Walker, SG, Virginia Tech
25. Rui Hachimura, SF/PF, Gonzaga

clyde21 wrote:top 25 in tiers.

Yeah no, you don't understand how tiers work

Fischella wrote:

clyde21 wrote:top 25 in tiers.

Yeah no, you don't understand how tiers work

only you understand how any of this works broski, its your world we're just living in it.

Coeur wrote:I liked that list pretty good with the same 3 names standing out. I don’t see it in keldon Johnson. Interested in Bruno, and also not thinking tre Jones is a guy that fits where you have him, if anywhere. Specifically I looked at the next 5 or 6 you have right after tre and think they’re all levels ahead

I think both Nassir and Mattise are excellent defenders. I think Tre is a better offense player than either of them. I think they are all good defenders or better.

Bol Bol oand Okeke are hurt and I don't want to use my 1 draft pick I get a year for an injury guy unless I'm SURE they will be an impact player. (If healthy I think Bol Bol will be an absolute superstar on offense)

I need to watch more of Clarke, Okeke and Hayes (especially Clarke). No of them impresses me in the research I do before watching the YouTube clips.

And Alexander-Walker is a guy I think can be anywhere from a smaller KCP to a poor man's CJ McCollum so that isn't much better than where I have Tre Jones (Patrick Beverly without a jump shot, unless he adds one).

Thanks for not being condescending in your post.

Fischella wrote:

clyde21 wrote:top 25 in tiers.

Yeah no, you don't understand how tiers work

lmao, my guy, it's not that serious

1 Williamson

2 Morant
3 Culver
4 Hunter
5 Garland
6 Clarke
7 Barrett

Bol
Alexander Walker
Langford
Hayes
White
Hachimura
Horton Tucker
Fernando
Bitadze
Doumoboya
Williams
Porter Jr
Reddish
Okeke
Johnson
Washington
Roby

Update as the college season ends. One more update post combine, think the big thing there will be to put tier 4 in order. Sticking with no euros/Garland, haven't seen enough of any of them. Also deciding to not worry about injuries as of now, let somebody with the medical reports weigh that.

Tier 1
Zion

Tier 2
Bol

Tier 3
Culver

Tier 4
Morant
White
Clarke
Hunter
Horton-Tucker
Washington
Williams
Barrett
Porter
Okeke

Think the draft is actually looking decently deep, just shallow at the very top. Wish I could bring myself to love Dort, but can't quite do it. Reddish/Hayes the guys that are consensus pretty high that I have lower. Reddish I'm just not sold on his offense at all, his defense is fine enough, just wish he'd shown some real creation flashes or hit shots at a higher rate. Hayes I'm just not real high on the archetype going forward unless he can be elite of the elite in it (also rebounding concerns).

eminence wrote:Update as the college season ends. One more update post combine, think the big thing there will be to put tier 4 in order. Sticking with no euros/Garland, haven't seen enough of any of them. Also deciding to not worry about injuries as of now, let somebody with the medical reports weigh that.

Tier 1
Zion

Tier 2
Bol

Tier 3
Culver

Tier 4
Morant
White
Clarke
Hunter
Horton-Tucker
Washington
Williams
Barrett
Porter
Okeke

Think the draft is actually looking decently deep, just shallow at the very top. Wish I could bring myself to love Dort, but can't quite do it. Reddish/Hayes the guys that are consensus pretty high that I have lower. Reddish I'm just not sold on his offense at all, his defense is fine enough, just wish he'd shown some real creation flashes or hit shots at a higher rate. Hayes I'm just not real high on the archetype going forward unless he can be elite of the elite in it (also rebounding concerns).

where do u have Herro, Porter Jr. and Nas?

clyde21 wrote:where do u have Herro, Porter Jr. and Nas?

Herro/Nas would fall into a hypothetical Tier 5 where I think they could be half decent rotation guys someday, but I have a tough time seeing them much better than that. Nas for feel/skill reasons, Herro due to more physical limitations, feels like I'm lower than others on his off-ball movement too, I just don't consistently see enough purpose there (could be a Cal thing).

KPJ I probably wouldn't even rank, absolutely hate his feel, don't think he can really shoot it and is overly reliant on his athleticism.

eminence wrote:Update as the college season ends. One more update post combine, think the big thing there will be to put tier 4 in order. Sticking with no euros/Garland, haven't seen enough of any of them. Also deciding to not worry about injuries as of now, let somebody with the medical reports weigh that.

Tier 1
Zion

Tier 2
Bol

Tier 3
Culver

Tier 4
Morant
White
Clarke
Hunter
Horton-Tucker
Washington
Williams
Barrett
Porter
Okeke

Think the draft is actually looking decently deep, just shallow at the very top. Wish I could bring myself to love Dort, but can't quite do it. Reddish/Hayes the guys that are consensus pretty high that I have lower. Reddish I'm just not sold on his offense at all, his defense is fine enough, just wish he'd shown some real creation flashes or hit shots at a higher rate. Hayes I'm just not real high on the archetype going forward unless he can be elite of the elite in it (also rebounding concerns).

Morant tier 4? Culver over Barrett? Bol the lone tier 2 guy? wow...but hey its your list.

B-Ball Freak wrote:Morant tier 4? Culver over Barrett? Bol the lone tier 2 guy? wow...but hey its your list.

Should probably have expanded a bit on the tiers, but roughly:

Tier 1: High floor MVP potential
Tier 2: Low floor MVP potential
Tier 3: High floor Star potential
Tier 4: Low floor Star potential

Referring to impact and not perception.

Morant - I don't really see a route to him being a real top tier guy, athletic limitations will keep him from the Westbrook he wants to be. For floor he turns it over a bunch and the competition level was low.

Culver v Barrett - I feel quite good about this one honestly. I'm far more impressed by Culver's athleticism/defense/passing. Barrett's probably the guy most likely to drop completely from my list, has fire but not all the skills to back up his playstyle.

Bol - I think he has reach franchise changing top end potential, I recognize not all are that high on him, don't really see any other contenders for tier 2.

eminence wrote:Should probably have expanded a bit on the tiers, but roughly:

Tier 1: High floor MVP potential
Tier 2: Low floor MVP potential
Tier 3: High floor Star potential
Tier 4: Low floor Star potential

Referring to impact and not perception.

Am I correct to then assume that 'star potential' includes the type of players most fans would casually dismiss as role players, provided that they noticeably contribute to winning?

The-Power wrote:

eminence wrote:Should probably have expanded a bit on the tiers, but roughly:

Tier 1: High floor MVP potential
Tier 2: Low floor MVP potential
Tier 3: High floor Star potential
Tier 4: Low floor Star potential

Referring to impact and not perception.

Am I correct to then assume that 'star potential' includes the type of players most fans would casually dismiss as role players, provided that they noticeably contribute to winning?

Absolutely, Battier was originally my example for tier 3, but wound up leaving those out.

eminence wrote:

B-Ball Freak wrote:Morant tier 4? Culver over Barrett? Bol the lone tier 2 guy? wow...but hey its your list.

Should probably have expanded a bit on the tiers, but roughly:

Tier 1: High floor MVP potential
Tier 2: Low floor MVP potential
Tier 3: High floor Star potential
Tier 4: Low floor Star potential

Referring to impact and not perception.

Morant - I don't really see a route to him being a real top tier guy, athletic limitations will keep him from the Westbrook he wants to be. For floor he turns it over a bunch and the competition level was low.

Culver v Barrett - I feel quite good about this one honestly. I'm far more impressed by Culver's athleticism/defense/passing. Barrett's probably the guy most likely to drop completely from my list, has fire but not all the skills to back up his playstyle.

Bol - I think he has reach franchise changing top end potential, I recognize not all are that high on him, don't really see any other contenders for tier 2.

that's interesting, because i would think the common consensus is that Barrett is the better athlete. where do think the delineation in athleticism is between them? i think Culver is a better athlete in the half court (more wiggle, more fluid in his movements + the ability to accelerate after initial burst/first step) while Barrett is better in the open floor, though obviously half court athleticism is more important in the NBA.

HeadtopChunes wrote:Subject to change, as I pay more attention closer to draft time (and the tournament) but this is what my board looks like as of now.

1. Zion Williamson
2. RJ Barett
3. Ja Morant
4. Jarrett Culver
5. Darius Garland
6. Brandon Clarke
7. Kevin Porter Jr
8. DeAndre Hunter
9. Cameron Reddish
10. Nickeil Alexander-Walker
11. Daniel Gafford
12. Coby White
13. Jontay Porter
14. Talen Horton-Tucker

I haven't had the chance to look at Euroleague guys so Doumbouya, Bitadze, Samanic, etc are unranked right now.

Board v2, will update after the combine

(this draft is so underwhelming for me)