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clyde21 wrote:

Marcus wrote:

clyde21 wrote:
Grimes

Quentin from Kansas? expecting a big year from him?

he's in Houston now, but yea, huge year.

Marcus wrote:

clyde21 wrote:

Marcus wrote:
Quentin from Kansas? expecting a big year from him?

he's in Houston now, but yea, huge year.

shows how out the loop I've been. talent over there or we talking one man show?

Duke4life831 wrote:

clyde21 wrote:

Marcus wrote:
Quentin from Kansas? expecting a big year from him?

he's in Houston now, but yea, huge year.

Did he get a waiver? Isn't he sitting out this year?

clyde21 wrote:

Duke4life831 wrote:

clyde21 wrote:
he's in Houston now, but yea, huge year.

Did he get a waiver? Isn't he sitting out this year?

he's from the Houston area so he doesnt have to sit out a year apparently.

Duke4life831 wrote:

clyde21 wrote:

Duke4life831 wrote:
Did he get a waiver? Isn't he sitting out this year?

he's from the Houston area so he doesnt have to sit out a year apparently.

This says he is sitting out

https://247sports.com/college/kansas/Article/KU-baskeball-Quentin-Grimes-Houston-transfer-officially-announced-133443759/

clyde21 wrote:

Duke4life831 wrote:

clyde21 wrote:
he's from the Houston area so he doesnt have to sit out a year apparently.

This says he is sitting out

https://247sports.com/college/kansas/Article/KU-baskeball-Quentin-Grimes-Houston-transfer-officially-announced-133443759/

he's on the roster for them for the 19-20 season

https://uhcougars.com/roster.aspx?roster=179&path=mbball

and he just dropped 22/10 for them against LCC:

https://uhcougars.com/news/2019/8/13/quentin-grimes-leads-houston-mens-basketball-in-win-over-lcc-university.aspx

Duke4life831 wrote:

clyde21 wrote:

Duke4life831 wrote:
This says he is sitting out

https://247sports.com/college/kansas/Article/KU-baskeball-Quentin-Grimes-Houston-transfer-officially-announced-133443759/

he's on the roster for them for the 19-20 season

https://uhcougars.com/roster.aspx?roster=179&path=mbball

and he just dropped 22/10 for them against LCC:

https://uhcougars.com/news/2019/8/13/quentin-grimes-leads-houston-mens-basketball-in-win-over-lcc-university.aspx

Transfers and redshirts can play in exhibition games.

Houston's website says he is out for the year as well.

https://uhcougars.com/news/2019/7/5/mens-basketball-guard-quentin-grimes-joins-houston.aspx

clyde21 wrote:

Duke4life831 wrote:

clyde21 wrote:
he's on the roster for them for the 19-20 season

https://uhcougars.com/roster.aspx?roster=179&path=mbball

and he just dropped 22/10 for them against LCC:

https://uhcougars.com/news/2019/8/13/quentin-grimes-leads-houston-mens-basketball-in-win-over-lcc-university.aspx

Transfers and redshirts can play in exhibition games.

Houston's website says he is out for the year as well.

https://uhcougars.com/news/2019/7/5/mens-basketball-guard-quentin-grimes-joins-houston.aspx

bummer

gorz wrote:What is udoka azubuike draft prospecs looking like? Im shocked to discover hes only 19 not bc he's going into his senior yr but the fact that he looks much older. Somebody need to check his birth certificate asap.

Duke4life831 wrote:

clyde21 wrote:

Duke4life831 wrote:
Transfers and redshirts can play in exhibition games.

Houston's website says he is out for the year as well.

https://uhcougars.com/news/2019/7/5/mens-basketball-guard-quentin-grimes-joins-houston.aspx

bummer

He must have gotten some really bad feedback from NBA guys if he was willing to transfer to sit out the year and basically take him out of next year's draft as well.

clyde21 wrote:

Duke4life831 wrote:

clyde21 wrote:
he's on the roster for them for the 19-20 season

https://uhcougars.com/roster.aspx?roster=179&path=mbball

and he just dropped 22/10 for them against LCC:

https://uhcougars.com/news/2019/8/13/quentin-grimes-leads-houston-mens-basketball-in-win-over-lcc-university.aspx

Transfers and redshirts can play in exhibition games.

Houston's website says he is out for the year as well.

https://uhcougars.com/news/2019/7/5/mens-basketball-guard-quentin-grimes-joins-houston.aspx

bummer

Marcus wrote:

clyde21 wrote:

Duke4life831 wrote:
Transfers and redshirts can play in exhibition games.

Houston's website says he is out for the year as well.

https://uhcougars.com/news/2019/7/5/mens-basketball-guard-quentin-grimes-joins-houston.aspx

bummer

who you got 3rd now?

clyde21 wrote:

Marcus wrote:

clyde21 wrote:
bummer

who you got 3rd now?

most likely Anthony Edwards

Marcus wrote:

clyde21 wrote:

Marcus wrote:
who you got 3rd now?

most likely Anthony Edwards

what gives Scottie the edge over Antman for you?

nolang1 wrote:

Fischella wrote:It's about the type of athlete you are, I am not talking about Wiseman's body, just his hops, that's difficult to change or improve upon, he might but he is very much like Damian Jones there, good athlete yeah, even really good for his dimensions, but still needs time to exert his athleticism, reaction time and IQ are often times more important and his are not great imo

He sucks for a guy being projected to get picked 1st overall, so yeah, ofc if he were the 70th ranked recruit and not expected to even be a OAD the story would be much different, not sure what your point is (?)

Why would it be much different? High school accolades should have no bearing on someone's draft stock. He's the longest and most athletic big in the draft, is the best finisher overall, and has the most shot-blocking potential. You'd have to point me to a place that considers him some sort of generational prospect or in his own tier as the #1 pick. He's just one of the guys in the mix for #1 in another weak draft, and even having him #1 is going to be a more accurate assessment than thinking he's a borderline lotto pick or like Skal Labissiere.

I have no idea where the 'that's difficult to change or improve upon' blanket statement comes from; it's quite common that long, skinny guys who are still growing into their bodies look more explosive when they add some muscle/core strength. That's exactly what happened during summer league and everyone was acting like it was some crazy surprise there too.

He's continued to get stronger and develop skill-wise throughout his high school career (people bizarrely seem to discount that the McDonald's/Hoop Summit practices and games are where he's looked the best when they're the most recent data points for players who are all still a work in progress). I'm of the minority opinion that if someone is the kind of elite finisher who can shoot 70 plus percent from the field, I'm fine with them focusing on rim running, lobs, offensive rebounds, and some simple post moves rather than trying to be a point guard, but Wiseman has a solid amount of skill for a young big. He's comfortable flashing to mid-range jumpers and makes some nice plays in transition both with handling the ball and making outlet passes.

BostonCouchGM wrote:

nolang1 wrote:

Fischella wrote:It's about the type of athlete you are, I am not talking about Wiseman's body, just his hops, that's difficult to change or improve upon, he might but he is very much like Damian Jones there, good athlete yeah, even really good for his dimensions, but still needs time to exert his athleticism, reaction time and IQ are often times more important and his are not great imo

He sucks for a guy being projected to get picked 1st overall, so yeah, ofc if he were the 70th ranked recruit and not expected to even be a OAD the story would be much different, not sure what your point is (?)

Why would it be much different? High school accolades should have no bearing on someone's draft stock. He's the longest and most athletic big in the draft, is the best finisher overall, and has the most shot-blocking potential. You'd have to point me to a place that considers him some sort of generational prospect or in his own tier as the #1 pick. He's just one of the guys in the mix for #1 in another weak draft, and even having him #1 is going to be a more accurate assessment than thinking he's a borderline lotto pick or like Skal Labissiere.

I have no idea where the 'that's difficult to change or improve upon' blanket statement comes from; it's quite common that long, skinny guys who are still growing into their bodies look more explosive when they add some muscle/core strength. That's exactly what happened during summer league and everyone was acting like it was some crazy surprise there too.

He's continued to get stronger and develop skill-wise throughout his high school career (people bizarrely seem to discount that the McDonald's/Hoop Summit practices and games are where he's looked the best when they're the most recent data points for players who are all still a work in progress). I'm of the minority opinion that if someone is the kind of elite finisher who can shoot 70 plus percent from the field, I'm fine with them focusing on rim running, lobs, offensive rebounds, and some simple post moves rather than trying to be a point guard, but Wiseman has a solid amount of skill for a young big. He's comfortable flashing to mid-range jumpers and makes some nice plays in transition both with handling the ball and making outlet passes.

wait, what? People actually think this is a weak draft? smh. This might be even better than the all time greats like 2017 and 2018. Seems like the people who spend the most time in these draft forums are the very worst at evaluating prospects and prognostication.

BostonCouchGM wrote:

nolang1 wrote:

Fischella wrote:It's about the type of athlete you are, I am not talking about Wiseman's body, just his hops, that's difficult to change or improve upon, he might but he is very much like Damian Jones there, good athlete yeah, even really good for his dimensions, but still needs time to exert his athleticism, reaction time and IQ are often times more important and his are not great imo

He sucks for a guy being projected to get picked 1st overall, so yeah, ofc if he were the 70th ranked recruit and not expected to even be a OAD the story would be much different, not sure what your point is (?)

Why would it be much different? High school accolades should have no bearing on someone's draft stock. He's the longest and most athletic big in the draft, is the best finisher overall, and has the most shot-blocking potential. You'd have to point me to a place that considers him some sort of generational prospect or in his own tier as the #1 pick. He's just one of the guys in the mix for #1 in another weak draft, and even having him #1 is going to be a more accurate assessment than thinking he's a borderline lotto pick or like Skal Labissiere.

I have no idea where the 'that's difficult to change or improve upon' blanket statement comes from; it's quite common that long, skinny guys who are still growing into their bodies look more explosive when they add some muscle/core strength. That's exactly what happened during summer league and everyone was acting like it was some crazy surprise there too.

He's continued to get stronger and develop skill-wise throughout his high school career (people bizarrely seem to discount that the McDonald's/Hoop Summit practices and games are where he's looked the best when they're the most recent data points for players who are all still a work in progress). I'm of the minority opinion that if someone is the kind of elite finisher who can shoot 70 plus percent from the field, I'm fine with them focusing on rim running, lobs, offensive rebounds, and some simple post moves rather than trying to be a point guard, but Wiseman has a solid amount of skill for a young big. He's comfortable flashing to mid-range jumpers and makes some nice plays in transition both with handling the ball and making outlet passes.

wait, what? People actually think this is a weak draft? smh. This might be even better than the all time greats like 2017 and 2018. Seems like the people who spend the most time in these draft forums are the very worst at evaluating prospects and prognostication.

clyde21 wrote:

Marcus wrote:

clyde21 wrote:
most likely Anthony Edwards

what gives Scottie the edge over Antman for you?

better motor, much better defender, longer, more versatile on the wings, Edwards, energy comes and goes, doesn't really bring it defensively but is obviously a much better creator on-ball at this point...admittedly I am much higher on Lewis than most people at this point.

tbh, it doesn't look like this class is going to have that true #1 pick IMO a la '17